Michael jackson suspected heart attack

[Oakey]

mybrainhurts said:

He's still got a nose in that one...

Don't do a later one, please...

I just photoshopped the nose out and it was that disturbing that instead of posting it I opted to immediately set fire to the pc

ETA: just read he was spending $50,000 a MONTH on prescription drugs. WTF

Edited by Oakey on Thursday 2nd July 17:05

[Oakey]

Oakey said:

drivin_me_nuts said:

Oakey said:

jimmyb said:

deevlash said:

jimmyb said:

join the rest of us here in the real world.

quite

court papers said:

Jordy Chandler, the singer's accuser in 1993, identified a spot or blotch on Jackson's genitalia which was subsequently photographed by the police

I cant find a link to the pervy phonecalls he made to the UK boy but it was mentioned in a documentary, the boy (now a man) doesnt like to talk about it much. Apparently it started innocently enough as an interview for his school paper when jackson was in the UK doing a series of shows. Jackson maintained contact via telephone and apparently one night he attempted to turn the conversation to pervy stuff.

In the real world Jackson was a wierd, 8.5 stone drug addict who bought his kids and built a fairground to entice weak, ill and suggestable kids into his company. He then invited them into his bedroom, which was at the end of a tunnel that had proximity detectors along the length of it so he would know if anyone was coming.

Jackson was a fruit.

Whilst that seems perfectly reasonable have you ever got changed in front of a young kid same sex?? Not impossible nor unreasonable in certain circumstances. Hence whilst jordy could have seen his genitalia in fairly innocent circumstances it could have got mj sent to jail hence the payout seems perfectly reasonable i would have done the same.

As to the proximity sensors did it ever occur to anyone that he was exceptionally famous with at times somewhat unstable fans who may break in.In his place sensors in the tunnel hallway whatever to my bedroom would be the first in a long line of things that yet again i would do so taken in that context not exactly unreasonable is it?


As to the kid with pervy calls any proof? When did it happen before or after the first cases and payoffs ? Any actual evidence? Anyone think it may have simply been made up to try get a payoff since he had made payoffs before?

Everything can be explained perfectly reasonably if you wish to look outside the box.

Until I am presented with actual evidence from someone who does not have some alterior motive i am quite happy to both listen, accuse and persecute MJ.

I am by no means a fanboy but nor do i get involved in witch hunts which is what the whole paedo thing appeared to be with mj. No actual evidence yet convicted by the public anyway.Threads like this make me start to really worry. We are not living in the 16/1700's where we burn people at the stake at the say so of some random individual.

Evidence means nothing, just look at the R Kelly kiddy fiddling case. They had the guy on video pissing on a 14 year old girl and he was still found not guilty.

Nex time you're up before the beak on a serious charge be sure to tell the judge that. I'll even send you a disposable camera so you can take some decent photos of his face when you tell him

I don't get what you find funny? R Kelly was found not guilty despite there being videotape evidence, both he and the girl in the video denied it was them despite FIFTY witnesses including school teachers, school friends and relatives identifying her. This is the same R Kelly that married Aaliyah at the age of 15. Even though he was found not guilty, do we really think he's innocent?

A friend of mine had his house raided and a semi-automatic pistol and ammunition were found hidden in a sofa cushion, within weeks he was released without charge due to insufficient evidence.

I think people have a little too much faith in the legal system.

I don't usually qote myself but I've just read R Kelly's home has been raided by the police searching for evidence of statutory rape. Apparently his girlfriend is 17 and they want to know when exactly they started going out. Still, he's not yet been convicted of a crime so I guess he's not really a pervert or anything.

[jimmyb]

Oakey I think you are missing it a bit here. People dont have any faith in the legal system. Its for that same reason Mj paid the kid off rather than face a jury. Guilty or innocent there was no way to be sure of a true or correct verdict.

[mybrainhurts]

Oakey said:

mybrainhurts said:

He's still got a nose in that one...

Don't do a later one, please...

I just photoshopped the nose out and it was that disturbing that instead of posting it I opted to immediately set fire to the pc

Phew...

[s.m.h.]

jimmyb said:

Oakey I think you are missing it a bit here. People dont have any faith in the legal system. Its for that same reason Mj paid the kid off rather than face a jury. Guilty or innocent there was no way to be sure of a true or correct verdict.

Riiight, so MJ was willing to pay off the family £12m because there was no truth in any of the rumours and the cost of barristers etc, that would have torn the kids accusations to bits, would have cost more than that?

Personally if it were going to cost me £12m EITHER way, I'd want my name cleared and the other party shown for the fraudsters they are.
I cant believe that MJ had advisors that told him to settle out of court. If he has soooo many fans - like its being implied - there's no way he'd get convicted. You couldnt get a jury without at least a few fans. A quick moonwalk in the defence box and the judge would have let him on his way.....

[Mojooo]

some rehersal footage released

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8131722.s...

doesn't look frail and ready to die to me..

[superkartracer]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196009/Im...

Hmmmm, looks like he can dance to me....

[drivin_me_nuts]

jimmyb said:

Oakey I think you are missing it a bit here. People dont have any faith in the legal system. Its for that same reason Mj paid the kid off rather than face a jury. Guilty or innocent there was no way to be sure of a true or correct verdict.

and that's an intersting point in its own right; that we are more likely to assume that someone is guilty rather than innocent.

Has it always been like this - or is this just a modern thing. As far as I am aware, and I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, we don't have the "unproven" verdict that some other countries have.

[odyssey2200]

drivin_me_nuts said:

jimmyb said:

Oakey I think you are missing it a bit here. People dont have any faith in the legal system. Its for that same reason Mj paid the kid off rather than face a jury. Guilty or innocent there was no way to be sure of a true or correct verdict.

and that's an intersting point in its own right; that we are more likely to assume that someone is guilty rather than innocent.

Has it always been like this - or is this just a modern thing. As far as I am aware, and I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, we don't have the "unproven" verdict that some other countries have.

His guilt was as plain as the nose on his face.......

oops! bad analogy

[crofty1984]

superkartracer said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196009/Im...

Hmmmm, looks like he can dance to me....

That makes very sad reading.

[Invisible man]

crofty1984 said:

superkartracer said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196009/Im...

Hmmmm, looks like he can dance to me....

That makes very sad reading.

bloody hell......dismal ain't the word

[jimmyb]

odyssey2200 said:

drivin_me_nuts said:

jimmyb said:

Oakey I think you are missing it a bit here. People dont have any faith in the legal system. Its for that same reason Mj paid the kid off rather than face a jury. Guilty or innocent there was no way to be sure of a true or correct verdict.

and that's an intersting point in its own right; that we are more likely to assume that someone is guilty rather than innocent.

Has it always been like this - or is this just a modern thing. As far as I am aware, and I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, we don't have the "unproven" verdict that some other countries have.

His guilt was as plain as the nose on his face.......

oops! bad analogy

No pretty accurate really. There was no real certainty of guilt or innocence.Merely assumed guilt by those who are happy to accept what they are told and jump on the bandwagon.

[Oakey]

jimmyb said:

odyssey2200 said:

drivin_me_nuts said:

jimmyb said:

Oakey I think you are missing it a bit here. People dont have any faith in the legal system. Its for that same reason Mj paid the kid off rather than face a jury. Guilty or innocent there was no way to be sure of a true or correct verdict.

and that's an intersting point in its own right; that we are more likely to assume that someone is guilty rather than innocent.

Has it always been like this - or is this just a modern thing. As far as I am aware, and I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, we don't have the "unproven" verdict that some other countries have.

His guilt was as plain as the nose on his face.......

oops! bad analogy

No pretty accurate really. There was no real certainty of guilt or innocence.Merely assumed guilt by those who are happy to accept what they are told and jump on the bandwagon.

Jackson also claimed he only ever had plastic surgery twice didn't he? Would you believe that?

I also wonder why he didn't use his own sperm for his kids, firing blanks maybe?

Edited by Oakey on Friday 3rd July 18:20

[drivin_me_nuts]

Oakey said:

jimmyb said:

odyssey2200 said:

drivin_me_nuts said:

jimmyb said:

Oakey I think you are missing it a bit here. People dont have any faith in the legal system. Its for that same reason Mj paid the kid off rather than face a jury. Guilty or innocent there was no way to be sure of a true or correct verdict.

and that's an intersting point in its own right; that we are more likely to assume that someone is guilty rather than innocent.

Has it always been like this - or is this just a modern thing. As far as I am aware, and I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, we don't have the "unproven" verdict that some other countries have.

His guilt was as plain as the nose on his face.......

oops! bad analogy

No pretty accurate really. There was no real certainty of guilt or innocence.Merely assumed guilt by those who are happy to accept what they are told and jump on the bandwagon.

Jackson also claimed he only ever had plastic surgery twice didn't he? Would you believe that?

I don't know if I ever heard him speak of his surgery.

But even if it's not true - how many celebrtities do you know who are not truthful about their scars and little reallignments? Par for the course in the industry of schadenfreude

[HereBeMonsters]

So, this suspected heart attack then? Any more news?

[jimmyb]

Oakey said:

jimmyb said:

odyssey2200 said:

drivin_me_nuts said:

jimmyb said:

Oakey I think you are missing it a bit here. People dont have any faith in the legal system. Its for that same reason Mj paid the kid off rather than face a jury. Guilty or innocent there was no way to be sure of a true or correct verdict.

and that's an intersting point in its own right; that we are more likely to assume that someone is guilty rather than innocent.

Has it always been like this - or is this just a modern thing. As far as I am aware, and I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, we don't have the "unproven" verdict that some other countries have.

His guilt was as plain as the nose on his face.......

oops! bad analogy

No pretty accurate really. There was no real certainty of guilt or innocence.Merely assumed guilt by those who are happy to accept what they are told and jump on the bandwagon.

Jackson also claimed he only ever had plastic surgery twice didn't he? Would you believe that?

I also wonder why he didn't use his own sperm for his kids, firing blanks maybe?

Edited by Oakey on Friday 3rd July 18:20

TBH I dont know why i keep arguing the point here other than it irritates me that people are so willing to convict someone on say so rather than evidence or anything else.

[Olf]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/8133760.stm

Jackson public memorial tickets via internet draw.

You'd think they limit it to the people that bought some of his tickets wouldn't you?

[Mojocvh]

MJ Dance moves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKBLxh3u0tM&fea...

Awesome performer. Dismiss your prejudices.

[superkartracer]

1.38, awesome - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AucHAQWL-G0

Edited by superkartracer on Friday 3rd July 21:57

[mybrainhurts]

I find this hero worship a touch disturbing....

Surely, any professional dancer can do what he did, and millions of castrated blokes can sing in like fashion...?