Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result
Discussion
Jinx said:
SilverSixer said:
I'm sorry but today's judgement illustrates why your statement is wrong in relation to UK law. The government may have offered the referendum, but, and I'm going blue in the face here, IT WAS NOT BINDING IN LAW. Should it have been? Probably. But it wasn't. So get over it. Pamphlet promises do not equal legal compulsion to act.
It also neatly illustrates the emptiness of the 'control and sovereignty' argument put forward by the Leave side as reason to leave the EU. We evidently have our own control and sovereignty in spades. The British constitution will be followed.
The police in this country only have the powers they do from the consent of the people. If the law of the land comes up against the will of the people I suspect this consent will be removed. The law will lose. It also neatly illustrates the emptiness of the 'control and sovereignty' argument put forward by the Leave side as reason to leave the EU. We evidently have our own control and sovereignty in spades. The British constitution will be followed.
10% of those who voted on 23rd June are rebid anti-EU, 10% are rabid pro-EU. The other 80% in the centre could have swung either way and will not pick up pitchforks if they don't get their own way.
CaptainSlow said:
JawKnee said:
There isn't the appetite there was 6 months ago after seeing the bad things which have happened as a result of the vote.
Classic. Can you please detail what bad things have happened? (Apple iPads going up isn't a bad thing)The "experts" stated we'd be in recession by now.
Companies making plans to leave
Hate crime increases
The Government having to make sweetheart deals to big business
It has been shocking so far and there is only more to come. A lot of people are nowhere near as enthusiastic about Brexit as they were in the summer. They wanted to stick two fingers up to the establishment which they did but once the hard realities set in they lose a lot of faith. Remain would win hands down if there was another vote.
andymadmak said:
blindswelledrat said:
Out of interest, would you still think the same if there was a new referendum based on the things we now know to be 'fact' and it people voted to remain?
Hand on heart I think the majority to leave now would be larger. Granted, it's just a gut feel based on what I am hearing from people around me on both sides of the debate. Amongst those I know well enough to ask, there are very few people who HAVE changed their minds since June, but those that have have all moved from Remain to Exit. A re-run would see a 60 - 40 in favour of leave vote in my opinion.
I would add this though - If there was a fair re-run, and if my side (exit) lost that vote, I would respect the outcome. Such a shame that the same cannot be said for so many Remainers on here.
I admit I am a sore loser over the vote but I genuinely believe the vote was based on lies, rhetoric and ignorance.
So yes, I feel grim about not accepting the result of the referendum, but I would definitely accept it on a re-run. I definitely wouldn't like it and I would definitely moan about it but I would accept it which I don't currently. I would see it the same as Labour winning a general election
JawKnee said:
The pound being trashed
Companies making plans to leave
Hate crime increases
The Government having to make sweetheart deals to big business
It has been shocking so far and there is only more to come. A lot of people are nowhere near as enthusiastic about Brexit as they were in the summer. They wanted to stick two fingers up to the establishment which they did but once the hard realities set in they lose a lot of faith. Remain would win hands down if there was another vote.
Companies making plans to leave
Hate crime increases
The Government having to make sweetheart deals to big business
It has been shocking so far and there is only more to come. A lot of people are nowhere near as enthusiastic about Brexit as they were in the summer. They wanted to stick two fingers up to the establishment which they did but once the hard realities set in they lose a lot of faith. Remain would win hands down if there was another vote.
course they would. Where do you get this fact from then?Greg66 said:
don4l said:
Greg66 said:
don4l said:
Greg66 said:
It was pretty well publicised that the referendum was advisory. Also that Parliament would implement the result. There's a tension between those two positions which becomes apparent if one is taken as determinative and the other disregarded (whichever way round you take them).
Didn't Cameron tell us that he would implement the will of the people?Are you saying that you didn't believe him?
Or are under under the impression that Parliament has to do what the PM tells it to do?
You seem a bit off balance today don. Perhaps it's the weather.
So, rather than behave like a typical Remainer, why don't you answer a simple question?
Did you believe Cameron when he said that he would implement the will of the people?
A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
It doesn't matter what Cameron said.
Nor does it matter whether I believed what Cameron said.
Because we have a sovereign Parliament.
And now, thanks to you lot, all doubts over whether it had ceded any sovereignty to the EU have gone.
And the thing about a sovereign Parliament is that it can do what it wants.
Irrespective of what a former PM said, or whether a member of the public believed a former PM.
And in that vein, it also doesn't matter whether you believed Cameron, or (as was your wont) regard him as a lying through his teeth.
None of it matters.
Now, go wash those wet trousers. And try not to do it again.
Look, I am simply trying to ascertain whether you knew that Cameron was lying, or you were gullible enough to believe him.
I presume the latter, because you seem to think that something important happened today.
bmw535i said:
JawKnee said:
The pound being trashed
Companies making plans to leave
Hate crime increases
The Government having to make sweetheart deals to big business
It has been shocking so far and there is only more to come. A lot of people are nowhere near as enthusiastic about Brexit as they were in the summer. They wanted to stick two fingers up to the establishment which they did but once the hard realities set in they lose a lot of faith. Remain would win hands down if there was another vote.
Companies making plans to leave
Hate crime increases
The Government having to make sweetheart deals to big business
It has been shocking so far and there is only more to come. A lot of people are nowhere near as enthusiastic about Brexit as they were in the summer. They wanted to stick two fingers up to the establishment which they did but once the hard realities set in they lose a lot of faith. Remain would win hands down if there was another vote.
course they would. Where do you get this fact from then?JawKnee said:
bmw535i said:
JawKnee said:
The pound being trashed
Companies making plans to leave
Hate crime increases
The Government having to make sweetheart deals to big business
It has been shocking so far and there is only more to come. A lot of people are nowhere near as enthusiastic about Brexit as they were in the summer. They wanted to stick two fingers up to the establishment which they did but once the hard realities set in they lose a lot of faith. Remain would win hands down if there was another vote.
Companies making plans to leave
Hate crime increases
The Government having to make sweetheart deals to big business
It has been shocking so far and there is only more to come. A lot of people are nowhere near as enthusiastic about Brexit as they were in the summer. They wanted to stick two fingers up to the establishment which they did but once the hard realities set in they lose a lot of faith. Remain would win hands down if there was another vote.
course they would. Where do you get this fact from then?JawKnee said:
CaptainSlow said:
JawKnee said:
There isn't the appetite there was 6 months ago after seeing the bad things which have happened as a result of the vote.
Classic. Can you please detail what bad things have happened? (Apple iPads going up isn't a bad thing)The "experts" stated we'd be in recession by now.
Companies making plans to leave
Hate crime increases
The Government having to make sweetheart deals to big business
It has been shocking so far and there is only more to come. A lot of people are nowhere near as enthusiastic about Brexit as they were in the summer. They wanted to stick two fingers up to the establishment which they did but once the hard realities set in they lose a lot of faith. Remain would win hands down if there was another vote.
Given another vote Leave would have a greater margin.
don4l said:
That was short?
Look, I am simply trying to ascertain whether you knew that Cameron was lying, or you were gullible enough to believe him.
I presume the latter, because you seem to think that something important happened today.
Come on don4l, it was Cameron and his mouth was moving, of course he was lying.Look, I am simply trying to ascertain whether you knew that Cameron was lying, or you were gullible enough to believe him.
I presume the latter, because you seem to think that something important happened today.
WinstonWolf said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
It would seem a legal challenge to the high courts ruling could be made on the grounds that one of the presiding judges has links to the EU legal harmonization scheme, and therefore cannot be regarded as being impartial, but a person with a vested interest. and therefore not fit to make a judgement on whether parliament must be given a vote on the triggering of article 50
Who the hell thought letting him sit was a good idea?You have to admit though, a very good way of legally subverting the choice of the people which is why they are employed and paid for (by whom would be a logical next step btw)
Edited by Sylvaforever on Thursday 3rd November 14:38
JawKnee said:
andymadmak said:
JawKnee said:
So you want to keep rerunning it until you get the answer you want? You lost, get over it.
Thats a little bit rich coming from someone who does not accept the outcome of the Referendum...
I think that Art 50 will still be triggered, it's just that the MPs will now have to vote for it rather than simply act on the outcome of the Referendum that they (the MPs) voted 10:1 to grant to the people.
Failure to follow the will of the majority, no matter how fancy pants the justification, will be enormously damaging to parliament and society in the UK.
My area voted heavily for remain but the MP was for leave. That MP will be in a very tough position when it comes to voting in Parliament.
3 people who voted remain would stay in bed if there was a rerun of the referendum, and 2,500 would change their vote to leave.
Of the 7000 who voted leave, no one stated they would change their vote, 55 stated they would vote leave twice if that were an option.
So based on my extensive and exhaustive survey,were the referendum be subject to Groundhog day, remain would lose 3 votes (would stay in bed) as would the 4,000 who stayed in bed the first time around,the leave vote would gain 2,500 votes, this doesn't include the 55 leave voters from the first time around, who would vote twice for leave the second time around, clearly not the done thing
We can all spout BS, you do it sooo much better though!
JawKnee said:
There isn't the appetite there was 6 months ago after seeing the bad things which have happened as a result of the vote.
You've just confirmed what many people think, you do live on a different planet in a completely different universe.
You're certifiable and should be sectioned for the sake of humanity!
Sylvaforever said:
WinstonWolf said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
It would seem a legal challenge to the high courts ruling could be made on the grounds that one of the presiding judges has links to the EU legal harmonization scheme, and therefore cannot be regarded as being impartial, but a person with a vested interest. and therefore not fit to make a judgement on whether parliament must be given a vote on the triggering of article 50
Who the hell thought letting him sit was a good idea?
I might have to reinstate BliarOut!JawKnee said:
Yep. The period since the vote has not been great for this country. A lot of people have lost their appetite for leaving.
There seems to be no appetite for leaving the UK, which is quite odd considering that the place is apparently turning into some weird fascist hellhole with economic collapse and mass unemployment just around the corner.Countdown said:
I must admit that I really enjoyed that.At long last the Remain side admit that a vote to Remain would have been a vote to cede sovereignty.
WinstonWolf said:
Sylvaforever said:
WinstonWolf said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
It would seem a legal challenge to the high courts ruling could be made on the grounds that one of the presiding judges has links to the EU legal harmonization scheme, and therefore cannot be regarded as being impartial, but a person with a vested interest. and therefore not fit to make a judgement on whether parliament must be given a vote on the triggering of article 50
Who the hell thought letting him sit was a good idea? I might have to reinstate BliarOut!Einion Yrth said:
don4l said:
That was short?
Look, I am simply trying to ascertain whether you knew that Cameron was lying, or you were gullible enough to believe him.
I presume the latter, because you seem to think that something important happened today.
Come on don4l, it was Cameron and his mouth was moving, of course he was lying.Look, I am simply trying to ascertain whether you knew that Cameron was lying, or you were gullible enough to believe him.
I presume the latter, because you seem to think that something important happened today.
Apparently, I was wrong.
CaptainSlow said:
JawKnee said:
CaptainSlow said:
JawKnee said:
There isn't the appetite there was 6 months ago after seeing the bad things which have happened as a result of the vote.
Classic. Can you please detail what bad things have happened? (Apple iPads going up isn't a bad thing)The "experts" stated we'd be in recession by now.
Companies making plans to leave
Hate crime increases
The Government having to make sweetheart deals to big business
It has been shocking so far and there is only more to come. A lot of people are nowhere near as enthusiastic about Brexit as they were in the summer. They wanted to stick two fingers up to the establishment which they did but once the hard realities set in they lose a lot of faith. Remain would win hands down if there was another vote.
Given another vote Leave would have a greater margin.
don'tbesilly said:
JawKnee said:
andymadmak said:
JawKnee said:
So you want to keep rerunning it until you get the answer you want? You lost, get over it.
Thats a little bit rich coming from someone who does not accept the outcome of the Referendum...
I think that Art 50 will still be triggered, it's just that the MPs will now have to vote for it rather than simply act on the outcome of the Referendum that they (the MPs) voted 10:1 to grant to the people.
Failure to follow the will of the majority, no matter how fancy pants the justification, will be enormously damaging to parliament and society in the UK.
My area voted heavily for remain but the MP was for leave. That MP will be in a very tough position when it comes to voting in Parliament.
3 people who voted remain would stay in bed if there was a rerun of the referendum, and 2,500 would change their vote to leave.
Of the 7000 who voted leave, no one stated they would change their vote, 55 stated they would vote leave twice if that were an option.
So based on my extensive and exhaustive survey,were the referendum be subject to Groundhog day, remain would lose 3 votes (would stay in bed) as would the 4,000 who stayed in bed the first time around,the leave vote would gain 2,500 votes, this doesn't include the 55 leave voters from the first time around, who would vote twice for leave the second time around, clearly not the done thing
We can all spout BS, you do it sooo much better though!
Next time leave it a little later in the morning chap - you woke me up and asked me a stupid question - of course I'd vote leave again - 273 reasons to do it
Oh and
don'tbesilly said:
JawKnee said:
There isn't the appetite there was 6 months ago after seeing the bad things which have happened as a result of the vote.
You've just confirmed what many people think, you do live on a different planet in a completely different universe.
You're certifiable and should be sectioned for the sake of humanity!
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