BBC Womens pay gap

[Moonhawk]

hidetheelephants said:

It's clear from Mair's statements in the press that whatever motivated him to move on from the BBC it wasn't a paycut.

Would he admit to it even if it did factor in his decision?

In the current climate - it's probably easier to keep your head down.

[hidetheelephants]

So he's not only a greedy misogynist he's a liar as well?

[steveatesh]

Camoradi said:

I'm looking forward to the studies of who gets to spend the earnings in the average household. Being the biggest income earner isn't where the fun is at

Err don't raise points that go against the feminist narrative!

Women are the decision makers in around 80% of the major decisions in households, especially those around finance. I originally had this as as ONS data but a quick google shows it in a number of different sources, for example :

"Women across the globe account for up to 80 per cent of purchasing decisions" https://www.home.barclays/content/dam/barclayspubl...

Feminists and white knights don't want to mention that even though in the UK men earn more over a working lifetime than women (generally), it is women who spend it.

[Gandahar]

What's the pay gap like on Love Island?

And what are they paid in ?

shells
coconuts

inches?

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 3rd July 17:26

[Gandahar]

steveatesh said:

Feminists and white knights don't want to mention that even though in the UK men earn more over a working lifetime than women (generally), it is women who spend it.

Classic male self centered comment

Considering this is a forum where men spend stupid amounts of money on cars that they can show off, both new and then old barges this is a laughably a bad comment.



A lot of women are probably spending time bringing up the next generation of Phers who will waste their money on a V12 AMG that is going as a bargain in the advertiorials ....

Are you the knuckle head PH sterotype or taking the piss out of this entire scenario?

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 3rd July 17:44

[steveatesh]

Gandahar said:

Classic male self centered comment

Considering this is a forum where men spend stupid amounts of money on cars that they can show off, both new and then old barges this is a laughably a bad comment.



A lot of women are probably spending time bringing up the next generation of Phers who will waste their money on a V12 AMG that is going as a bargain in the advertiorials ....

Are you the knuckle head PH sterotype or taking the piss out of this entire scenario?

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 3rd July 17:44

Always easy to trigger a feminist isn’t it?

It’s not about what they spend the money on it’s about the fact that 80% make the decision on what, how, when, where to spend it. Putting into other words for you, it’s about power in the relationship.

I suspect that a lot of men on here who have bought those cars you refer to have done so only because their other halves have allowed them to.

[turbobloke]

steveatesh said:

Gandahar said:

Classic male self centered comment

Considering this is a forum where men spend stupid amounts of money on cars that they can show off, both new and then old barges this is a laughably a bad comment.



A lot of women are probably spending time bringing up the next generation of Phers who will waste their money on a V12 AMG that is going as a bargain in the advertiorials ....

Are you the knuckle head PH sterotype or taking the piss out of this entire scenario?

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 3rd July 17:44

Always easy to trigger a feminist isn’t it?

It’s not about what they spend the money on it’s about the fact that 80% make the decision on what, how, when, where to spend it. Putting into other words for you, it’s about power in the relationship.

I suspect that a lot of men on here who have bought those cars you refer to have done so only because their other halves have allowed them to.

Not forgetting 'asked them to'. Or indeed told them to.

Gandahar's perspective appears somewhat skewed, nay hackneyed, this has never been seen before on PH.

[Randy Winkman]

turbobloke said:

steveatesh said:

Gandahar said:

Classic male self centered comment

Considering this is a forum where men spend stupid amounts of money on cars that they can show off, both new and then old barges this is a laughably a bad comment.



A lot of women are probably spending time bringing up the next generation of Phers who will waste their money on a V12 AMG that is going as a bargain in the advertiorials ....

Are you the knuckle head PH sterotype or taking the piss out of this entire scenario?

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 3rd July 17:44

Always easy to trigger a feminist isn’t it?

It’s not about what they spend the money on it’s about the fact that 80% make the decision on what, how, when, where to spend it. Putting into other words for you, it’s about power in the relationship.

I suspect that a lot of men on here who have bought those cars you refer to have done so only because their other halves have allowed them to.

Not forgetting 'asked them to'. Or indeed told them to.

Gandahar's perspective appears somewhat skewed, nay hackneyed, this has never been seen before on PH.

So all these men have the skills needed to earn more money than women but aren't able to then spend it on what they want to? That's odd. They must be lacking something somewhere.

[Pesty]

Gandahar said:

Classic male self centered comment

Considering this is a forum where men spend stupid amounts of money on cars that they can show off, both new and then old barges this is a laughably a bad comment.



A lot of women are probably spending time bringing up the next generation of Phers who will waste their money on a V12 AMG that is going as a bargain in the advertiorials ....

Are you the knuckle head PH sterotype or taking the piss out of this entire scenario?

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 3rd July 17:44

Huge sexist remark. Not only women bring up children.

[Mr. White]

Gandahar said:

Classic male self centered comment

Considering this is a forum where men spend stupid amounts of money on cars that they can show off, both new and then old barges this is a laughably a bad comment.



A lot of women are probably spending time bringing up the next generation of Phers who will waste their money on a V12 AMG that is going as a bargain in the advertiorials ....

Are you the knuckle head PH sterotype or taking the piss out of this entire scenario?

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 3rd July 17:44

You utter sexist . So it's only men who buy nice cars is it? Because the little ladies are too busy buying handbags and shoes, yes?

And I think you'll find men raise children too, you imbecile.

Yet you have the nerve to talk about stereotypes? Sexist prick.





Am I doing identity politics right?

[Randy Winkman]

Pesty said:

Gandahar said:

Classic male self centered comment

Considering this is a forum where men spend stupid amounts of money on cars that they can show off, both new and then old barges this is a laughably a bad comment.



A lot of women are probably spending time bringing up the next generation of Phers who will waste their money on a V12 AMG that is going as a bargain in the advertiorials ....

Are you the knuckle head PH sterotype or taking the piss out of this entire scenario?

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 3rd July 17:44

Huge sexist remark. Not only women bring up children.

He said "a lot of women". Anyway, aren't these gender differences used as a reason for why men get paid more and get bigger pensions?

[Moonhawk]

Gandahar said:

Considering this is a forum where men spend stupid amounts of money on cars that they can show off, both new and then old barges this is a laughably a bad comment.

Not to piss on your chips, but it was my wife who was the primary driving force behind buying our Aston..............

You have some strangely outdated views.

[Moonhawk]

Randy Winkman said:

He said "a lot of women". Anyway, aren't these gender differences used as a reason for why men get paid more and get bigger pensions?

Men get paid more (on average) - mostly because they:

Commute/travel further
Work longer hours
Work more unsociable hours
Work less flexible hours
Retire later
Work in more dangerous/dirty jobs
Take more risk
Negotiate harder for pay rises

If you factor all of this out - I think you'd find the gender pay gap is fairly neutral (and perhaps even lies in women's favour - depending on how much value you place on things like flexible working, free time, health etc).

Also - men don't get bigger pensions (assuming you are talking about state pension). They used to, but were they really better off as a result, owing to the fact that they received it 5 years later than women and had a lower life expectancy too.

The new state pension is the same for men and women.

[James_B]

Gandahar said:

Classic male self centered comment

Considering this is a forum where men spend stupid amounts of money on cars that they can show off, both new and then old barges this is a laughably a bad comment.



A lot of women are probably spending time bringing up the next generation of Phers who will waste their money on a V12 AMG that is going as a bargain in the advertiorials ....

Are you the knuckle head PH sterotype or taking the piss out of this entire scenario?

Edited by Gandahar on Tuesday 3rd July 17:44

Do you think that he’s wrong, or are just annoyed that you think he might be right?

I suspect that in most relationships it’s the woman who makes the major decisions, such as when to move house, when to have children, and how many to have, where to go on holiday, and so on, and yes, on where and when to spend the money.

Not in all, of course, but that was absolutely the norm when I was growing up. Like most working men in the North, my dad handed over his wage to my mother and was given a small amount back to have for him.

There is nothing right or wrong about his, it just looks to be reasonably common.

[Randy Winkman]

Moonhawk said:

Randy Winkman said:

He said "a lot of women". Anyway, aren't these gender differences used as a reason for why men get paid more and get bigger pensions?

Men get paid more (on average) - mostly because they:

Commute/travel further
Work longer hours
Work more unsociable hours
Work less flexible hours
Retire later
Work in more dangerous/dirty jobs
Take more risk
Negotiate harder for pay rises

If you factor all of this out - I think you'd find the gender pay gap is fairly neutral (and perhaps even lies in women's favour - depending on how much value you place on things like flexible working, free time, health etc).

Also - men don't get bigger pensions (assuming you are talking about state pension). They used to, but were they really better off as a result, owing to the fact that they received it 5 years later than women and had a lower life expectancy too.

The new state pension is the same for men and women.

Which is why, generally speaking, women tend to do the more significant things like looking after the home and bringing up the children. Hence they decide what the money is spent on.

[Davos123]

James_B said:

Do you think that he’s wrong, or are just annoyed that you think he might be right?

I suspect that in most relationships it’s the woman who makes the major decisions, such as when to move house, when to have children, and how many to have, where to go on holiday, and so on, and yes, on where and when to spend the money.

Not in all, of course, but that was absolutely the norm when I was growing up. Like most working men in the North, my dad handed over his wage to my mother and was given a small amount back to have for him.

There is nothing right or wrong about his, it just looks to be reasonably common.

The don’t make the decision, their partner chooses to go along with their wishes, that is a huge and important distinction. If you have the money to buy a Ferrari you can either choose to buy one or choose not to. You may choose not to because of the wishes of your partner but it’s still a choice you make

[Ari]

Davos123 said:

The don’t make the decision, their partner chooses to go along with their wishes, that is a huge and important distinction. If you have the money to buy a Ferrari you can either choose to buy one or choose not to. You may choose not to because of the wishes of your partner but it’s still a choice you make

I'm guessing you're not married..!?

[xjay1337]

Randy Winkman said:

Which is why, generally speaking, women tend to do the more significant things like looking after the home and bringing up the children. Hence they decide what the money is spent on.

Very dangerous ground there....! As many of us will tell you. :0

[JagLover]

James_B said:

Do you think that he’s wrong, or are just annoyed that you think he might be right?

I suspect that in most relationships it’s the woman who makes the major decisions, such as when to move house, when to have children, and how many to have, where to go on holiday, and so on, and yes, on where and when to spend the money.

Not in all, of course, but that was absolutely the norm when I was growing up. Like most working men in the North, my dad handed over his wage to my mother and was given a small amount back to have for him.

There is nothing right or wrong about his, it just looks to be reasonably common.

You often hear Japan described as a country with female equality issues but it is still the case there for 50% of couples, with a further 30% where it is controlled jointly.

They don't have joint accounts so where the wife controls the finances she has all the money in her account and pays the husband pocket money.

https://kotaku.com/the-world-of-japanese-husband-s...

Equality but with different roles is something the modern "liberal" doesn't understand.

[Randy Winkman]

xjay1337 said:

Randy Winkman said:

Which is why, generally speaking, women tend to do the more significant things like looking after the home and bringing up the children. Hence they decide what the money is spent on.

Very dangerous ground there....! As many of us will tell you. :0

Well, it's why men used to come home from the pit on Friday and give their wages straight to their wives isn't it?