46th President of the United States, Joe Biden
Discussion
paulguitar said:
Amazing stuff. He must have so little faith in his own country, to sincerely believe it is so corrupt.
His 'feelings' directly contradict what took place in the 2000 election, of course. Have you asked him about that?
I don't think he thinks the country is corrupt per se. He says that the system is such that it doesn't take very many people in very many places to materially alter the outcome. Hence looking for widespread fraud is nonsensical, he thinks the fraud is highly targeted. His 'feelings' directly contradict what took place in the 2000 election, of course. Have you asked him about that?
I haven't asked him about 2000, I'll have to do that next time I speak to him.
andymadmak said:
paulguitar said:
Amazing stuff. He must have so little faith in his own country, to sincerely believe it is so corrupt.
His 'feelings' directly contradict what took place in the 2000 election, of course. Have you asked him about that?
I don't think he thinks the country is corrupt per se. He says that the system is such that it doesn't take very many people in very many places to materially alter the outcome. Hence looking for widespread fraud is nonsensical, he thinks the fraud is highly targeted. His 'feelings' directly contradict what took place in the 2000 election, of course. Have you asked him about that?
I haven't asked him about 2000, I'll have to do that next time I speak to him.
Perhaps the dem fraudsters only fancy winning an election every now and then?
His comment about militarily helping Taiwan in the event China ramped up was interesting yesterday.
It seemed like the press were a bit taken aback, and so asked again. Biden then had the look of someone thinking "f
k. What was the question/what did I say"...
Interesting also that the defense dept said the policies hadn't changed... But there's no way that statement was "strategic ambiguity". So was strategic ambiguity never a thing, or were they caught out?
Learning lessons from Ukraine? Or a clanger?
It seemed like the press were a bit taken aback, and so asked again. Biden then had the look of someone thinking "f
k. What was the question/what did I say"...Interesting also that the defense dept said the policies hadn't changed... But there's no way that statement was "strategic ambiguity". So was strategic ambiguity never a thing, or were they caught out?
Learning lessons from Ukraine? Or a clanger?
andymadmak said:
I have a friend who has retired to live in Florida. He ran a successful US nationwide business, and is well travelled overseas. He's a very intelligent guy and generally speaking he's one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. Generous, good humoured and with a large (mixed race) family. He's no Trump fan (the language he uses to describe him is mostly unprintable) but he is a Republican voter................ And he is absolutely 100% convinced that the election was stolen. I've asked him what proof he has for this, the more so since the various enquiries have come up blank, and his response is that he doesn't believe the enquiries.
He says that its very common knowledge that Democrats have been using postal votes, the Unions, and other forms of Gerrymandering for years (his assertion) and it's not surprising that they've gotten good enough at it such that they can do it largely without detection. He says he knows Democrats who openly boast of this, and absence of accepted proof is not necessarily evidence of absence of fraud. He can even cite one or two personal experiences that seem to reinforce his own views. He says the Democrats stole the election, but he cannot prove it.... in just the same way as when you see an amazing magic trick that you know MUST be a trick, but cannot actually prove how it was done, so it must be magic???
He thinks that the truth will come out one day, and he's not alone in his thinking. I've rarely seen him as agitated about anything as he is about this.
In short, you don't have to be a Trump supporter to believe that the election was stolen..
He says that its very common knowledge that Democrats have been using postal votes, the Unions, and other forms of Gerrymandering for years (his assertion) and it's not surprising that they've gotten good enough at it such that they can do it largely without detection. He says he knows Democrats who openly boast of this, and absence of accepted proof is not necessarily evidence of absence of fraud. He can even cite one or two personal experiences that seem to reinforce his own views. He says the Democrats stole the election, but he cannot prove it.... in just the same way as when you see an amazing magic trick that you know MUST be a trick, but cannot actually prove how it was done, so it must be magic???
He thinks that the truth will come out one day, and he's not alone in his thinking. I've rarely seen him as agitated about anything as he is about this.
In short, you don't have to be a Trump supporter to believe that the election was stolen..
I've scratched out my initial thoughts, as I think it actually applies to everyone now. We are all starting to live in bubbles, driven either by real-life social interactions (as above) or through digital interactions. Whether you're a Republican voter or a BLM activist, there's little real-life engagement of people outside your own bubble. If we can fix that, then we can perhaps reduce the us and them culture.
Under these circumstances it's easy to think that everyone has the same life experiences/opportunities and thinks just like you.
tangerine_sedge said:
I've scratched out my initial thoughts, as I think it actually applies to everyone now. We are all starting to live in bubbles, driven either by real-life social interactions (as above) or through digital interactions. Whether you're a Republican voter or a BLM activist, there's little real-life engagement of people outside your own bubble. If we can fix that, then we can perhaps reduce the us and them culture.
Under these circumstances it's easy to think that everyone has the same life experiences/opportunities and thinks just like you.
andymadmak said:
tangerine_sedge said:
I've scratched out my initial thoughts, as I think it actually applies to everyone now. We are all starting to live in bubbles, driven either by real-life social interactions (as above) or through digital interactions. Whether you're a Republican voter or a BLM activist, there's little real-life engagement of people outside your own bubble. If we can fix that, then we can perhaps reduce the us and them culture.
Under these circumstances it's easy to think that everyone has the same life experiences/opportunities and thinks just like you.
Sure, in the real world if a knuckle dragging skinhead nazi type comes your way you can cross the road and never interact.
But in your friend groups, there will always be bits and pieces in everyone you disagree with. You just let it ride as the good outweighs the bad. Digitally you don't need to do that, and people being animals that like groupings and hierarchy, you generally won't if you don't have to.
HD Adam said:
No. It's totally divided.
It's either Biden good, Trump bad or Biden bad, Trump good.
Much like Brexit here.
It was either a well deserved victory by majority vote & we're heading for sunlit uplands or not because my cat & 6 year old didn't get a vote, the referendum was only advisory, we should have had a referendum confirming the referendum etc. Take your pick.
I think it's Biden meh, Trump complete and utter prick.It's either Biden good, Trump bad or Biden bad, Trump good.
Much like Brexit here.
It was either a well deserved victory by majority vote & we're heading for sunlit uplands or not because my cat & 6 year old didn't get a vote, the referendum was only advisory, we should have had a referendum confirming the referendum etc. Take your pick.
tangerine_sedge said:
I've scratched out my initial thoughts, as I think it actually applies to everyone now. We are all starting to live in bubbles, driven either by real-life social interactions (as above) or through digital interactions. Whether you're a Republican voter or a BLM activist, there's little real-life engagement of people outside your own bubble. If we can fix that, then we can perhaps reduce the us and them culture.
Under these circumstances it's easy to think that everyone has the same life experiences/opportunities and thinks just like you.
In the digital world of PH, there's no shortage of opinions.
I work in a factory, drink coffee and chat with the machinists & assemblers at smoko, then go and argue politics with the boss / owner.
I am in a car club full of old men (like me) who have very different views to me on many things. The guy I navigate for and I have different views on almost everything, and the good-natured wrangling helps us stay awake on the long drive home after an event.
It's far from everyone having the same life circumstances as me.
AW111 said:
tangerine_sedge said:
I've scratched out my initial thoughts, as I think it actually applies to everyone now. We are all starting to live in bubbles, driven either by real-life social interactions (as above) or through digital interactions. Whether you're a Republican voter or a BLM activist, there's little real-life engagement of people outside your own bubble. If we can fix that, then we can perhaps reduce the us and them culture.
Under these circumstances it's easy to think that everyone has the same life experiences/opportunities and thinks just like you.
In the digital world of PH, there's no shortage of opinions.
I work in a factory, drink coffee and chat with the machinists & assemblers at smoko, then go and argue politics with the boss / owner.
I am in a car club full of old men (like me) who have very different views to me on many things. The guy I navigate for and I have different views on almost everything, and the good-natured wrangling helps us stay awake on the long drive home after an event.
It's far from everyone having the same life circumstances as me.
OK,not Biden, but the man who should have been in the White House, Bernie Sanders kicks ass against Trump boot licker Lindsey Graham in a debate on Fox
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/13/be...
Policies that could earn a second term?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/13/be...
Policies that could earn a second term?
kowalski655 said:
OK,not Biden, but the man who should have been in the White House, Bernie Sanders kicks ass against Trump boot licker Lindsey Graham in a debate on Fox
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/13/be...
Policies that could earn a second term?
Shame we didn't get to see the response to Bernie.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/13/be...
Policies that could earn a second term?
T6 vanman said:
Biden's approval ratings still on the slide .. another loss of .6% within a week,
What are the reasons common Americans can not see they've never had it so good?
The slide continues What are the reasons common Americans can not see they've never had it so good?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/joe-bidens-a...
liner33 said:
T6 vanman said:
Biden's approval ratings still on the slide .. another loss of .6% within a week,
What are the reasons common Americans can not see they've never had it so good?
The slide continues What are the reasons common Americans can not see they've never had it so good?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/joe-bidens-a...
If not, seems that Biden should be trying harder...
Al Gorithum said:
Has he organised an armed insurrection yet? Or massive grifting operations to con his gullible supporters? 30k lies? How about destroying the American Democracy in order to feed a pathetic ego?
If not, seems that Biden should be trying harder...
Top whatabouting, well done.If not, seems that Biden should be trying harder...
liner33 said:
T6 vanman said:
Biden's approval ratings still on the slide .. another loss of .6% within a week,
What are the reasons common Americans can not see they've never had it so good?
The slide continues What are the reasons common Americans can not see they've never had it so good?
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/joe-bidens-a...
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