How do we think EU negotiations will go?

[anonymous-user]

cookie118 said:

jsf said:

You are about to have an UKEU
market, the largest export market for the EUUK about to increase its cost effective choices for the consumer as we leave the SM and CU. So you have increased competition from that factor straight away.

A lot of that will be offset by buyer hysteresis, (you get used to doing business in a certain way so you stick with it even when its not financially the peak solution). If you have a shock to the system and a change of mentality in the buyer, you can lose that hysteresis effect and you lose your market quicker than you would with a non shock approach. The high value purchase is also driven by sentiment, so you will see a down movement in items like GermanBritish cars, irrespective of the economics.

Now it may be that at the moment the UK EU will discount this effect in order to maintain their project, i would suggest that would be counter productive for the EU UK when the people of the EU UK feel the impact.

Do you not think that the reverse to your post also holds true?

Some of it does of course. Which is why its better for all sides to have a sensible discussion that keeps things civil.

I think its far more likely the UK buying public will change their buying habits if things get more difficult despite fair offers from the UK side, unlike the EU our buying options will expand when we leave the EU (we are going for a free trade model which lowers costs), EU domiciled buying options will contract if we don't have an FTA (that will be more protectionist which adds costs), but there will be a certain impact potential the other way too.

[gooner1]

digimeistter said:

Just wow! International mafioso tactics, you owe us and that will never change, therefore you have no say

That sounds like a pretty fair appraisal, and thanks JSF for the explanation.
Also thanks to Sway.



Bloody prima donna's.

Edited by gooner1 on Friday 17th November 19:14

[Sway]

gooner1 said:

digimeistter said:

Just wow! International mafioso tactics, you owe us and that will never change, therefore you have no say

That sounds like a pretty fair appraisal, and thanks JSF for the explanation.

[Pilotoscot]

Breadvan72 said:

They said what they said. What context is missing from "stay in the Single Market" or "be like Norway"?

This video was debunked by Andrew Neil in an excruciating interview with the clown that made it. Everyone was taken out of context and in fact said the very opposite. I'll see if I can find it.

[Pilotoscot]

https://youtu.be/UHzmCHcM7cA

[anonymous-user]

Sway said:

gooner1 said:

digimeistter said:

Just wow! International mafioso tactics, you owe us and that will never change, therefore you have no say

That sounds like a pretty fair appraisal, and thanks JSF for the explanation.

[Sway]

jsf said:

Sway said:

gooner1 said:

digimeistter said:

Just wow! International mafioso tactics, you owe us and that will never change, therefore you have no say

That sounds like a pretty fair appraisal, and thanks JSF for the explanation.

Git.

[dandarez]

Pilotoscot said:

https://youtu.be/UHzmCHcM7cA

I'd forgotten that.

What a dick James McGrory is. And was made out to be by ultra efficient A. Neil.

[anonymous-user]

Pilotoscot said:

https://youtu.be/UHzmCHcM7cA

That one always raises a smile.

[Sway]

Breadvan72 said:

Sway said:

Yet those of us debating here prior to the ref, who supported the 'flexcit' approach were repeatedly told that it wasn't being campaigned for by any of the leave campaigns...

A rapid edit of soundbites out of context where several don't support the claim isn't a great reveal.

They said what they said. What context is missing from "stay in the Single Market" or "be like Norway"?

After the Brillo interview link - you tell me.

[anonymous-user]

Sway said:

jsf said:

Sway said:

gooner1 said:

digimeistter said:

Just wow! International mafioso tactics, you owe us and that will never change, therefore you have no say

That sounds like a pretty fair appraisal, and thanks JSF for the explanation.

Git.

[sunbeam alpine]

Breadvan72 said:

Singe Market

Ou est le singe?

Est-ce qu'il est sur la branche?

[anonymous-user]

I think that Elliott is misrepresented, but the others aren't. Leave aside the forensic performance by Neill, and listen to the full clips.

[Sway]

jsf said:

Sway said:

jsf said:

Sway said:

gooner1 said:

digimeistter said:

Just wow! International mafioso tactics, you owe us and that will never change, therefore you have no say

That sounds like a pretty fair appraisal, and thanks JSF for the explanation.

Git.

Struggling to choose between



or



So I'll go with

[anonymous-user]

Sway said:

jsf said:

Sway said:

jsf said:

Sway said:

gooner1 said:

digimeistter said:

Just wow! International mafioso tactics, you owe us and that will never change, therefore you have no say

That sounds like a pretty fair appraisal, and thanks JSF for the explanation.

Git.

Struggling to choose between



or



So I'll go with

Have i become the but of some joke? please explain, because that's the way I interpreted it?

[gooner1]

Sway said:

jsf said:

Sway said:

gooner1 said:

digimeistter said:

Just wow! International mafioso tactics, you owe us and that will never change, therefore you have no say

That sounds like a pretty fair appraisal, and thanks JSF for the explanation.

Git.

Alright already, I've edited my post.

[anonymous-user]

digimeistter said:

Sway said:

jsf said:

Sway said:

jsf said:

Sway said:

gooner1 said:

digimeistter said:

Just wow! International mafioso tactics, you owe us and that will never change, therefore you have no say

That sounds like a pretty fair appraisal, and thanks JSF for the explanation.

Git.

Struggling to choose between



or



So I'll go with

Have i become the but of some joke? please explain, because that's the way I interpreted it?

No

and to all

[Sway]

digimeistter said:

Have i become the but of some joke? please explain, because that's the way I interpreted it?

Not in the slightest chap.

Gooner1 quoted your post which quoted mine, and thanked jsf (who also posts eurozone problem details).

So I gave him a little ribbing.

[///ajd]

Breadvan72 said:

I think that Elliott is misrepresented, but the others aren't. Leave aside the forensic performance by Neill, and listen to the full clips.

+1

And Paterson was too, to an extent. But Paterson has also said this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysi...

Which suggests that his views are rather confused on the matter of the Single Market, in a typical cake and eat it way.

It will be interesting to see how the Canada type offer shapes up, if that is how the EU start the talks.

I do tend to agree with Sway when he says the EU can't cope with losing the services of London on a cliff on the 30 Mar 2019. I suspect there will have to be some sort of transition for these aspects - the worry is when the EU orchestrate a gradual migration, giving business plenty of time to adapt to changing regulation.

[handpaper]

As far as I was concerned, leaving the EU without leaving the Single Market was an impossibility. The EU's authority stems from its stewardship of the SM; the justification for EU Directives has always been (allegedly) to ensure a level playing field for businesses within the EU.
I can't help but make the comparison with the Interstate Commerce Clause of the US Constitution, believed by many to have been used as a lever to extend the power of the Federal Government into areas never considered its business by the Founders.
There is, of course, a huge difference between manufacturing and exporting into the EU goods compliant with CE standards, and being bound by all the SM rules. See China, Korea, US etc.

PS - we're on page 531. Has PH bred super mutant hamsters, or is all about to come crashing down around our ears?