How do we think EU negotiations will go?

[PurpleMoonlight]

The UK can easily resolve the NI issue by remaining in the single market.

[dazwalsh]

///ajd said:

Leo is basically saying "no deal" without cast iron gtee of no border. Trouble is no deal means a border. Hmmm. Awks.

SM and CU is the only practical answer so far. Works for Norway and Turkey respectively - both outside of the EU.

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-may-playing-bre...

EDIT - snap Eddie.

NI getting a half in half out deal won't work. It's a united Kingdom remember and we are leaving as 1.

The trade between ROI and the UK is a big issue too. More than a billion a week in trade, and hundreds of thousands of jobs. They buy in 90% of their oil and gas requirements from us. We import 50% of everything they export. We are economically joined at the hip.

For me, it would be a revert back to the common travel area agreement, which predated the EU project anyways. I think we will have Ireland at least on our "side" in these negotiations. If a no deal is considered bad for us it's disastrous for them.

[PurpleMoonlight]

dazwalsh said:

For me, it would be a revert back to the common travel area agreement, which predated the EU project anyways. I think we will have Ireland at least on our "side" in these negotiations. If a no deal is considered bad for us it's disastrous for them.

But Ireland has to comply with EU law, so unless the EU is willing amend it they have a problem.

[dazwalsh]

PurpleMoonlight said:

dazwalsh said:

For me, it would be a revert back to the common travel area agreement, which predated the EU project anyways. I think we will have Ireland at least on our "side" in these negotiations. If a no deal is considered bad for us it's disastrous for them.

But Ireland has to comply with EU law, so unless the EU is willing amend it they have a problem.

That's the pickle they are faced with, but it's more their problem than ours. I don't think anyone wants a border, but unless the stubborn EU adapt to suit then it's a major hurdle to get over.

[powerstroke]

Maybe the ROI should have an EU referendum or the North could hold a referendum on reunification ??
Oh and How does it work with the Isle of Man ???

[PurpleMoonlight]

powerstroke said:

Maybe the ROI should have an EU referendum or the North could hold a referendum on reunification ??
Oh and How does it work with the Isle of Man ???

I've been to the IoM a few times and as far as I recall there is no land border with the EU.

[dazwalsh]

powerstroke said:

Maybe the ROI should have an EU referendum or the North could hold a referendum on reunification ??
Oh and How does it work with the Isle of Man ???

The Irish have done VERY well out of the EU, so that will be an overwhelming stay vote. Half the country emptied out in the 80's looking for work, my mother included.

[powerstroke]

PurpleMoonlight said:

powerstroke said:

Maybe the ROI should have an EU referendum or the North could hold a referendum on reunification ??
Oh and How does it work with the Isle of Man ???

I've been to the IoM a few times and as far as I recall there is no land border with the EU.

yes that's true and sorry I should have googled it , they weren't stupid enough to Join the EU either , so ignore that question..

[powerstroke]

dazwalsh said:

powerstroke said:

Maybe the ROI should have an EU referendum or the North could hold a referendum on reunification ??
Oh and How does it work with the Isle of Man ???

The Irish have done VERY well out of the EU, so that will be an overwhelming stay vote. Half the country emptied out in the 80's looking for work.

Agree ,have family there however Have done I don't think they are getting much now !!
and there have been some ruckuses with the EU over corporate tax so it isn't a total love fest these days ...

[slow_poke]

powerstroke said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

powerstroke said:

Maybe the ROI should have an EU referendum or the North could hold a referendum on reunification ??
Oh and How does it work with the Isle of Man ???

I've been to the IoM a few times and as far as I recall there is no land border with the EU.

yes that's true and sorry I should have googled it , they weren't stupid enough to Join the EU either , so ignore that question..

But they are in the Customs Union. Not in the EU.

So why isn't same possible for NI?

[PurpleMoonlight]

powerstroke said:

yes that's true and sorry I should have googled it , they weren't stupid enough to Join the EU either , so ignore that question..

Well they can't be a tax haven inside the EU.

[PurpleMoonlight]

slow_poke said:

But they are in the Customs Union. Not in the EU.

So why isn't same possible for NI?

IoM is not part of the UK.

NI is part of the UK, which is leaving the EU.

[Eddie Strohacker]

dazwalsh said:

That's the pickle they are faced with, but it's more their problem than ours. I don't think anyone wants a border, but unless the stubborn EU adapt to suit then it's a major hurdle to get over.

Bit of a cop out to say it's the EU's problem. To them, NI is no different from any other SM external border. What makes us so special? Varadker's facing competing interests in that his trade relies on easy access but his prosperity is borne of EU membership. Does he maintain EU unity or put Ireland first?

[PurpleMoonlight]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Bit of a cop out to say it's the EU's problem. To them, NI is no different from any other SM external border. What makes us so special? Varadker's facing competing interests in that his trade relies on easy access but his prosperity is borne of EU membership. Does he maintain EU unity or put Ireland first?

Perhaps not unreasonably, the EU's stand appears to be the UK caused the problem so the UK needs to come up with a solution.

[James TiT]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Perhaps not unreasonably, the EU's stand appears to be the UK caused the problem so the UK needs to come up with a solution.

That is unreasonable.

[PRTVR]

Eddie Strohacker said:

dazwalsh said:

That's the pickle they are faced with, but it's more their problem than ours. I don't think anyone wants a border, but unless the stubborn EU adapt to suit then it's a major hurdle to get over.

Bit of a cop out to say it's the EU's problem.

No different to the EU repeatedly saying it's the UK's problem.

[Eddie Strohacker]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Perhaps not unreasonably, the EU's stand appears to be the UK caused the problem so the UK needs to come up with a solution.

Varadker said : "Brexit is a British policy, it's also one that Britain has imposed on the rest of Europe."

[Eddie Strohacker]

PRTVR said:

No different to the EU repeatedly saying it's the UK's problem.

We weren't shown the door. We made the choice. Well you did.

[Eddie Strohacker]

James TiT said:

PurpleMoonlight said:

Perhaps not unreasonably, the EU's stand appears to be the UK caused the problem so the UK needs to come up with a solution.

That is unreasonable.

MODS. BARBS IS BACK.

[James TiT]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Varadker said : "Brexit is a British policy, it's also one that Britain has imposed on the rest of Europe."

He is wrong.