How do we think EU negotiations will go?
Discussion
Ridgemont said:
jsf said:
hyphen said:
To change the subject from boring practicalities such as the NI Border, a question.
In the event of a hard Brexit, do you think the UK could setup its own EU-lite? Steal some members from the EU.
It would need countries to leave the EU first for us to be able to do anything outside any EU FTA we negotiate. We cant steal anyone, they have to chose to leave. That looks unlikely.In the event of a hard Brexit, do you think the UK could setup its own EU-lite? Steal some members from the EU.
If the EU implodes then there would be an opportunity to set up a trading body, but after the experience of the EU it would have to be very limited on what it did and had no political union ambition.
Hence the reason why the 'pour encourager les autres' rationale for negotiating a bad deal for us is such a ridiculous notion - there isn't anyone else in a position to leave!
Jimboka said:
digimeistter said:
paul789 said:
Jimboka said:
After the financial crisis, we printed 300 billion plus to bail out the banking system didn’t we?
If this is correct, why not print off say 100 billion to grease the EU deal?
Surely Brexit is a far bigger ‘problem’ than faced before, so small change !
Simple. End of.If this is correct, why not print off say 100 billion to grease the EU deal?
Surely Brexit is a far bigger ‘problem’ than faced before, so small change !
Job jobbed, brexits over.
Barnier:
"On the EU side, we must preserve the integrity of the Single Market and the Customs Union at 27. The rules for this are clear.
The UK said it would continue to apply some EU rules on its territory. But not all rules.
What is therefore unclear is what rules will apply in Northern Ireland after Brexit. And what the UK is willing to commit to, in order to avoid a hard border."
This appears to say SM & CU for NI or hard border.
Your move.
Is the devil really in the "rules" that may apply or is it meant in a black and white way?
"On the EU side, we must preserve the integrity of the Single Market and the Customs Union at 27. The rules for this are clear.
The UK said it would continue to apply some EU rules on its territory. But not all rules.
What is therefore unclear is what rules will apply in Northern Ireland after Brexit. And what the UK is willing to commit to, in order to avoid a hard border."
This appears to say SM & CU for NI or hard border.
Your move.
Is the devil really in the "rules" that may apply or is it meant in a black and white way?
jsf said:
Mrr T said:
jsf said:
Mrr T said:
digimeistter said:
Mrr T said:
He may be spending time on the Irish border because it matters to Eire. It also matters for N Ireland but he is not there to represent the UK.
The EU has offered a solution, that NI remains in the SM and CU and the hard border is at the sea. This is not acceptable to the UK.
If the UK will not accept that solution there is no acceptable solutions.
The UK wants to leave the EU and the SM and CU, but not have a hard border for goods in Ireland. This is not possible. So Barnier has suggested the UK should solve the problem since we are creating it.
He represents an EU member state who has to abide by their regulations, ergo they should advise.The EU has offered a solution, that NI remains in the SM and CU and the hard border is at the sea. This is not acceptable to the UK.
If the UK will not accept that solution there is no acceptable solutions.
The UK wants to leave the EU and the SM and CU, but not have a hard border for goods in Ireland. This is not possible. So Barnier has suggested the UK should solve the problem since we are creating it.
How can anyone resolve it when they flatly refuse to talk about trade until we pay a ransom? Until we get down to the nitty gritty, we can't resolve the Irish issue.
Edited by digimeistter on Monday 20th November 15:58
A FTA would still require a border so there are no solutions.
Perhaps a better comprise would be for the UK to learn the rules then offer an acceptable solution.
Maybe you can answer this slasher, as PM didn't.
///ajd said:
Barnier:
"On the EU side, we must preserve the integrity of the Single Market and the Customs Union at 27. The rules for this are clear.
The UK said it would continue to apply some EU rules on its territory. But not all rules.
What is therefore unclear is what rules will apply in Northern Ireland after Brexit. And what the UK is willing to commit to, in order to avoid a hard border."
This appears to say SM & CU for NI or hard border.
Your move.
Is the devil really in the "rules" that may apply or is it meant in a black and white way?
Are you pissed? What it says is, we have no idea, so we're kicking it back to you to solve, pay us! "On the EU side, we must preserve the integrity of the Single Market and the Customs Union at 27. The rules for this are clear.
The UK said it would continue to apply some EU rules on its territory. But not all rules.
What is therefore unclear is what rules will apply in Northern Ireland after Brexit. And what the UK is willing to commit to, in order to avoid a hard border."
This appears to say SM & CU for NI or hard border.
Your move.
Is the devil really in the "rules" that may apply or is it meant in a black and white way?
The Devil really is in the rules(regulations) that we have let go so deep, they are trying to say it's intangible and they hold all the cards.
I honestly think some posters on here want the UK to fail?
digimeistter said:
Are you pissed? What it says is, we have no idea, so we're kicking it back to you to solve, pay us!
The Devil really is in the rules(regulations) that we have let go so deep, they are trying to say it's intangible and they hold all the cards.
I honestly think some posters on here want the UK to fail?
What it is saying is to avoid a hard border you need to respect the rules of the SM. The Devil really is in the rules(regulations) that we have let go so deep, they are trying to say it's intangible and they hold all the cards.
I honestly think some posters on here want the UK to fail?
Effectively the UK will force a hard border by either refusing to work in line with the SM or by failing to come up with a novel solution that no one yet has thought of.
The rules, as they say, are clear. What are we going to do about it?
Want the UK to fail? Quite the opposite.
Brexit IS making the UK fail - by design and complete lack of coherent planning or strategy. Bye bye agencies to Amsterdam and Paris.
I didn't vote for this failure - you did (presumably). Well done. Solutions welcome in your own good time - you knew what you were voting for, as remainers are often told. What's your solution to the border?
///ajd said:
What it is saying is to avoid a hard border you need to respect the rules of the SM.
Effectively the UK will force a hard border by either refusing to work in line with the SM or by failing to come up with a novel solution that no one yet has thought of.
The rules, as they say, are clear. What are we going to do about it?
Want the UK to fail? Quite the opposite.
Brexit IS making the UK fail - by design and complete lack of coherent planning or strategy. Bye bye agencies to Amsterdam and Paris.
I didn't vote for this failure - you did (presumably). Well done. Solutions welcome in your own good time - you knew what you were voting for, as remainers are often told. What's your solution to the border?
you bore the sEffectively the UK will force a hard border by either refusing to work in line with the SM or by failing to come up with a novel solution that no one yet has thought of.
The rules, as they say, are clear. What are we going to do about it?
Want the UK to fail? Quite the opposite.
Brexit IS making the UK fail - by design and complete lack of coherent planning or strategy. Bye bye agencies to Amsterdam and Paris.
I didn't vote for this failure - you did (presumably). Well done. Solutions welcome in your own good time - you knew what you were voting for, as remainers are often told. What's your solution to the border?
t out of me with your doomsday predictions in every bloody post. We get it you voted remain you know better than anyone else what a massive cock up this will be bla bla fkin bla.If you feel so passionately about this there is plenty of time to move to mainland Europe where you can be with like minded people but we are leaving the EU end of story .
jsf said:
oy, mush. answer my question. 
The question "will the EU agree if the UK comes up with a proposal that meets their rules?"The answer is yes.
Can you see what one obvious solution is yet? Most can.
However brexiteers are free to come up with any number of solutions - but seem very quiet or perhaps stuck for ideas.
That's the thing about winning - you actually get the bat and now have to play, not just crow from the sidelines about how you could do better.
Interesting to listen to Farage on LBC earlier. He hasn't got any ideas either - but he certainly knows how to criticise! His flock had some great ideas like "Offer £30Bn and reduce it by £1Bn each week until they agree!". Real genius Nigel, real genius.
///ajd said:
What it is saying is to avoid a hard border you need to respect the rules of the SM.
Effectively the UK will force a hard border by either refusing to work in line with the SM or by failing to come up with a novel solution that no one yet has thought of.
The rules, as they say, are clear.
The thing is they're not clear at all Effectively the UK will force a hard border by either refusing to work in line with the SM or by failing to come up with a novel solution that no one yet has thought of.
The rules, as they say, are clear.
So be it! Do you honestly think there will be a hard border between Southern and Northern Ireland after all the history, because the EU says so?
You clearly have never lived there.
johnxjsc1985 said:
you bore the st out of me with your doomsday predictions in every bloody post. We get it you voted remain you know better than anyone else what a massive cock up this will be bla bla fkin bla.
If you feel so passionately about this there is plenty of time to move to mainland Europe where you can be with like minded people but we are leaving the EU end of story .
He has iirc.t out of me with your doomsday predictions in every bloody post. We get it you voted remain you know better than anyone else what a massive cock up this will be bla bla fkin bla.If you feel so passionately about this there is plenty of time to move to mainland Europe where you can be with like minded people but we are leaving the EU end of story .
mx5nut said:
Do we still call this "Project Fear"?
Got to love the Sun and Express. "It will all be OK, we won't lose these key agencies.....". Oh no, the right wing brexit press have got their facts totally wrong when feeding brexit crap to their readers. Who knew?
This isn't boring, its a national scandal and global humiliation - so much damage for such vacuous & mis-sold reasons with not a single benefit in sight and a massive bill which makes our annual contributions look like chicken feed.
Bra-f
king-vo.///ajd said:
Yes, scaremongering. No jobs have left yet! No jobs will move.
Got to love the Sun and Express. "It will all be OK, we won't lose these key agencies.....". Oh no, the right wing brexit press have got their facts totally wrong when feeding brexit crap to their readers. Who knew?
This isn't boring, its a national scandal and global humiliation - so much damage for such vacuous & mis-sold reasons with not a single benefit in sight and a massive bill which makes our annual contributions look like chicken feed.
Bra-fking-vo.
Got to love the Sun and Express. "It will all be OK, we won't lose these key agencies.....". Oh no, the right wing brexit press have got their facts totally wrong when feeding brexit crap to their readers. Who knew?
This isn't boring, its a national scandal and global humiliation - so much damage for such vacuous & mis-sold reasons with not a single benefit in sight and a massive bill which makes our annual contributions look like chicken feed.
Bra-f
king-vo.mx5nut said:
Do we still call this "Project Fear"?
In other news... the Cambridge Biomedical Campus, local to us is going ahead with £500million pounds worth of investment and is home to 15,000 workers.
CBC said:
Our global corporate headquarters are located at the Cambridge Biomedical Campus and we are investing over £500m in a strategic Research and Development hub here. This reflects the importance we attribute to the science ecosystem, skills base, and academic excellence of the world-leading sector cluster in Cambridge, within the UK’s 'golden triangle' for life sciences. We welcome the importance attributed to infrastructure in the strategy which is critical for the 15,000 employees, academics, patients and visitors coming to the CBC every day.
johnxjsc1985 said:
you bore the st out of me with your doomsday predictions in every bloody post. We get it you voted remain you know better than anyone else what a massive cock up this will be bla bla fkin bla.
If you feel so passionately about this there is plenty of time to move to mainland Europe where you can be with like minded people but we are leaving the EU end of story .
Triggered.t out of me with your doomsday predictions in every bloody post. We get it you voted remain you know better than anyone else what a massive cock up this will be bla bla fkin bla.If you feel so passionately about this there is plenty of time to move to mainland Europe where you can be with like minded people but we are leaving the EU end of story .
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