Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 11

[General Price]

Master Of Puppets said:

Notice that burger is keeping an ultra low profile just now, strangely correlates with most of her cabal, many of who are normally highly vociferous are hardly uttering a word.

I can imagine some big Squirrel is currently under construction ready for imminent release into the environment.

He'll be back telling us how fantastic they are because of a new cycle path in Coatbridge,won't bother mentioning any of the looney policies.

[alangla]

Evercross said:

Meanwhile, in other news (and as I predicted), the Deposit Return Scheme is faltering because the proposed framework is unworkable. The quango set-up by the Scottish Government to administer it - Circularity Scotland - has been deemed insolvent by HMRC meaning that the licensed trade is legally forbidden from dealing with it, so drinks producers cannot get the necessary labling for their products.

The Scottish Government, after having given a cash-injection to Circulatory Scotland that seems to have been frittered away on consultancy fees (whodathunkit), anticipated that the scheme would be self-funding via an amount creamed-off the deposits (effectively a stealth-tax on the food and drinks manufacturers), but a total lack of participation (with many producers just saying they will stop selling in Scotland as the costs and paperwork aren't worth it, with some smaller producers saying they could actually face a loss by selling in Scotland under the scheme) means that it is dying.

It'll be interesting if the SNP government see fit to throw more money at the scheme, or if they just let it whither.

There will be the usual indynuts who will perceive a distinct lack of familiar brands on the shelves should the scheme ever materialise as ant-Scottish politcking, but of course the companies concerned are acting through economics rather than politics and don't care if the Scottish Resistance and their ilk start making sweary banners about them. It isn't going to solve the problem of the Scottish market becoming unviable because once again the Scottish Government will not listen to sensible discourse over how to run the scheme and the unintended consequences of their ignorant arrogance.

Edited by Evercross on Sunday 29th January 11:39

Ultimately, if Barrs and Tennents are still selling then the loons won’t notice the lack of other manufacturers. It might even play to the innate Xenophobia that regularly comes to the surface.
I’m still mystified how the SNP have made such a mess of this, similar schemes have been running in some US and Australian states for decades with the same packaging being used nationwide. Surely some “fact finding trips” have been undertaken to these places to see how their schemes work? I can understand the potential for fraud with Carlisle bought drinks being returned to Tesco or Aldi in Annan, but surely the risk of that is minimal enough that it’s worth just swallowing?

[Ian974]

This smacks of the likes of their mental rules at council recycling centres, where you can load up as much of almost anything you want into your car to get recycled, disposed of, whatever.
However, if you have a can of paint you need to get rid of, you need to book an appointment.
Because somehow everyone will get COVID if you put a can of paint on an empty pallet without an appointment

[irc]

Along with the proposed ban on alcohol advertising or sponsorship are the SNP actually trying to Jill of the Scotch whisky industry?

[Leithen]

irc said:

Along with the proposed ban on alcohol advertising or sponsorship are the SNP actually trying to Jill of the Scotch whisky industry?

They've been trying to kill off the drinks industry for some time. See the Stirling University Institute for Social Marketing and Health https://www.stir.ac.uk/about/faculties/health-scie... , who somehow have a remarkable hold on the agenda of the SNP.

Modern day Temperance Movement, with a large dose of totalitarianism thrown in.

[vulture1]

irc said:

Along with the proposed ban on alcohol advertising or sponsorship are the SNP actually trying to Jill of the Scotch whisky industry?

There is a certain irony that they want to tax, regulate, disuade the use of or consumption/production of Alcohal and Oil...

[TheJimi]

irc said:

Along with the proposed ban on alcohol advertising or sponsorship are the SNP actually trying to Jill of the Scotch whisky industry?

Dunno, but they're definitely trying to gie it a proper Malky...

[Evercross]

alangla said:

I’m still mystified how the SNP have made such a mess of this....

Seriously? Even if there was a ready-written, tried-and-tested template for something, this SNP government will mess it up though a combination of laziness, incompetence, ignorance, arrogance and the obsessive need to do it slightly differently for the sake of it being 'uniquely Scottish', which is increasingly becoming associated with being a total failure.

These schemes do exist elsewhere, as do a lot of things that other countries seem to do well that Scotland doesn't because it has an identity-politics narcissistic authoritarian in charge, who has little interest in running services well and is supported by a cabal of intellectually challenged simpletons and voted in by a bunch of ldealogues who have been gaslit into believing that their Government's failings are not their fault but instead caused by something or someone else (particularly the English).

I am expecting someone to come along and say that the above may be true of many other political set-ups, but the difference seems to be that where the successes are the political establishments have the sense to delegate the proper work to people who know what they are doing. Scotland has singularly failed in that respect for too long now.

Edited by Evercross on Sunday 29th January 12:54

[Rick_1138]

Evercross said:

alangla said:

I’m still mystified how the SNP have made such a mess of this....

Seriously? Even if there was a ready-written, tried-and-tested template for something, this SNP government will mess it up though a combination of laziness, incompetence, ignorance, arrogance and the obsessive need to do it slightly differently for the sake of it being 'uniquely Scottish', which is increasingly becoming associated with being a total failure.

These schemes do exist elsewhere, as do a lot of things that other countries seem to do well that Scotland doesn't because it has an identity-politics narcissistic authoritarian in charge, who has little interest in running services well and is supported by a cabal of intellectually challenged simpletons and voted in by a bunch of ldealogues who have been gaslit into believing that their Government's failings are not their fault but instead caused by something or someone else (particularly the English).

I am expecting someone to come along and say that the above may be true of many other political set-ups, but the difference seems to be that where the successes are the political establishments have the sense to delegate the proper work to people who know what they are doing. Scotland has singularly failed in that respect for too long now.

Edited by Evercross on Sunday 29th January 12:54

This.

All day long.

[Klippie]

First of me seeing this - https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/50872/a-route...

It reads..."In response to the global climate emergency" that say's it all, utter bullst for starters...what fking emergency..???

These fkers are after our cars now.

[alangla]

Klippie said:

First of me seeing this - https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/50872/a-route...

It reads..."In response to the global climate emergency" that say's it all, utter bullst for starters...what fking emergency..???

These fkers are after our cars now.

Pity they permanently fked the ScotRail timetable then.

Actually it’s not even about cars as such. This bit on page 6 describes it

Dystopian ste said:

These are: reducing the need to travel, such as by using online options to access goods, services, amenities and social connections, if these cannot be accessed locally in a sustainable way; living well locally, by choosing local destinations which can make it easier to switch to more sustainable modes and will reduce distances driven if a car is still used;

It’s about people not going anywhere. Which is great if you live in a nice bit of Edinburgh or Glasgow and have all the amenities on your doorstep and can work from home. Bit st if you live at the far end of a housing scheme and the nearest decent supermarket is a 15 minute bus ride away.

[ninepoint2]

Klippie said:

First of me seeing this - https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/50872/a-route...

It reads..."In response to the global climate emergency" that say's it all, utter bullst for starters...what fking emergency..???

These fkers are after our cars now.

Indeed, complete and utter bks, public transport is a joke, will keep using my cars

[emicen]

Klippie said:

First of me seeing this - https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/50872/a-route...

It reads..."In response to the global climate emergency" that say's it all, utter bullst for starters...what fking emergency..???

These fkers are after our cars now.

Per the posters above about the need to go Scottish with every problem’s solution:

Linked Document said:

Intervention 3e:

…”development of a one year pilot project with Police Scotland to develop an online reporting system enabling people to upload camera footage of dangerous driving.“

This already exists. In England and Wales. It’s called Operation Snap. All Police Scotland would need to do would be to send some emails and start chipping in for the admin costs.

[Order66]

alangla said:

It’s about people not going anywhere. Which is great if you live in a nice bit of Edinburgh or Glasgow and have all the amenities on your doorstep and can work from home. Bit st if you live at the far end of a housing scheme and the nearest decent supermarket is a 15 minute bus ride away.

Glasgow has a nice bit?

[alangla]

Order66 said:

alangla said:

It’s about people not going anywhere. Which is great if you live in a nice bit of Edinburgh or Glasgow and have all the amenities on your doorstep and can work from home. Bit st if you live at the far end of a housing scheme and the nearest decent supermarket is a 15 minute bus ride away.

Glasgow has a nice bit?

Everything is relative, but I’m thinking of areas of the West End primarily where “15/20 minute” living is perfectly possible and riding a bike to the city centre is practical.

[Vanden Saab]

Klippie said:

First of me seeing this - https://www.transport.gov.scot/media/50872/a-route...

It reads..."In response to the global climate emergency" that say's it all, utter bullst for starters...what fking emergency..???

These fkers are after our cars now.

I didn't get past the cover, since when did Scotland start using kilometres as their unit of distance? Oh and no doubt the picture is likely to be an accurate reflection of the content. Written by someone with the thinking ability of an 11 year old.

[Se7enheaven]

Vanden Saab said:

I didn't get past the cover, since when did Scotland start using kilometres as their unit of distance? Oh and no doubt the picture is likely to be an accurate reflection of the content. Written by someone with the thinking ability of an 11 year old.

Exactly my thinking too. An utter disgrace as usual.

[Master Of Puppets]

Vanden Saab said:

Written by someone with the thinking ability of an 11 year old.

That gives us a lot of scope for the potential SNP / Green culprit.

[Janluke]

Vanden Saab said:

I didn't get past the cover, since when did Scotland start using kilometres as their unit of distance? .

I'm guessing for the same reason I record my strava cycling/running in Km. Its a bigger number so looks more impressive!

[TheJimi]

Janluke said:

Vanden Saab said:

I didn't get past the cover, since when did Scotland start using kilometres as their unit of distance? .

I'm guessing for the same reason I record my strava cycling/running in Km. Its a bigger number so looks more impressive!

Either that or it's a petty subliminal attempt to align with Europe.