Who Will replace Jeremy Corbyn as Labour Leader

[Brave Fart]

I listened to an interview with Jess Phillips on Pienaar's Politics this morning. She sounds like she'd be quite good fun to share a few beers with, but as a future Prime Minister? No chance. She did, however, admit that free broadband was a daft idea, and that people cared less about who owns utilities than they do about how those utilities perform.

So, fairly sensible, sense of humour, good laugh, but doesn't seem leader material at all.

[anonymous-user]

Brave Fart said:

I listened to an interview with Jess Phillips on Pienaar's Politics this morning. She sounds like she'd be quite good fun to share a few beers with, but as a future Prime Minister? No chance. She did, however, admit that free broadband was a daft idea, and that people cared less about who owns utilities than they do about how those utilities perform.

So, fairly sensible, sense of humour, good laugh, but doesn't seem leader material at all.

She also doesn't get quite how things work
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jess-phillip...

"Labour leadership challenger Jess Phillips has urged men to "pass the mic" on the top job arguing it would be "embarrassing" if Labour failed to elect a woman.
The prominent backbencher warned it would "look bad" and also hand "ammunition" to political opponents, who were "laughing at us".

She may be correct about other parties laughing but I seem to recall Mrs Thatcher winning fair and square and Mrs May winning similarly.
They were not just elected because they were women

[A Winner Is You]

techiedave said:

Brave Fart said:

I listened to an interview with Jess Phillips on Pienaar's Politics this morning. She sounds like she'd be quite good fun to share a few beers with, but as a future Prime Minister? No chance. She did, however, admit that free broadband was a daft idea, and that people cared less about who owns utilities than they do about how those utilities perform.

So, fairly sensible, sense of humour, good laugh, but doesn't seem leader material at all.

She also doesn't get quite how things work
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/jess-phillip...

"Labour leadership challenger Jess Phillips has urged men to "pass the mic" on the top job arguing it would be "embarrassing" if Labour failed to elect a woman.
The prominent backbencher warned it would "look bad" and also hand "ammunition" to political opponents, who were "laughing at us".

She may be correct about other parties laughing but I seem to recall Mrs Thatcher winning fair and square and Mrs May winning similarly.
They were not just elected because they were women

I see she's getting the "I didn't win because of sexism" excuses in early.

[anonymous-user]

I've genuinely not go no f***ing time for her. A loud gobste of a politician. Locally I don't rate her much. I remain appalled at how she ran her campaign / or allowed it to be run from many years ago. I commented on this before and she is lucky as its lost to time but it was pretty poor.

She isn't as left wing as some of the others. Not everything she says is wrong but its no reason to support her.

Lisa Nandy does seem the "nicest" but she comes across as just wanting to blame the tories for everything.
I just think they are all pretty poor

[Wombat3]

techiedave said:

I've genuinely not go no f***ing time for her. A loud gobste of a politician. Locally I don't rate her much. I remain appalled at how she ran her campaign / or allowed it to be run from many years ago. I commented on this before and she is lucky as its lost to time but it was pretty poor.

She isn't as left wing as some of the others. Not everything she says is wrong but its no reason to support her.

Lisa Nandy does seem the "nicest" but she comes across as just wanting to blame the tories for everything.
I just think they are all pretty poor

The last decent/honest/principled Labour Leader was John Smith.

Blair knew how to win elections but has little else to recommend him, Brown was fundamentally incompetent. Milliband was so poor as to be not worth comment & Corbyn is just a left wing lunatic.

This lot are just varying shades of the above. Frankly any of them leading a government is a fairly terrifying thought.

[Willhire89]

Wombat3 said:

Milliband was so poor as to be not worth comment.

I'm to this day amazed which of the two brothers was chosen as leader - the other could have gained real traction

[williamp]

Willhire89 said:

I'm to this day amazed which of the two brothers was chosen as leader - the other could have gained real traction

Probably the biggest what-if of our generation. I expect he would have beaten Cameron, therefore no austerity measures and no Brexit vote. A hugely different path for the UK over the last 10 years...

But he didnt. ED did, then messed up his own party with the £3 membership, messed up the Syria intervention, arguably led to the growth of ISIS in the middle east, the leads a terrible election which he looses and gave us Corbyn.

[Mothersruin]

The biggest what if was John Smith not having a heart attack - our country might be a much nicer place had the political petri dish not spawned Blair.

[biggbn]

Mothersruin said:

The biggest what if was John Smith not having a heart attack - our country might be a much nicer place had the political petri dish not spawned Blair.

Hear hear

[anonymous-user]

Mothersruin said:

The biggest what if was John Smith not having a heart attack - our country might be a much nicer place had the political petri dish not spawned Blair.

If we are doing what if ism then another one is if Jim Callaghan had gone earlier than he did
He may have scraped back on a minority / very small majority
More recently if ism is if Gordon Brown had also gone earlier his initial stab at it wasn't going too badly and at one point his own ratings were higher than Camerons
But Techie Dave believes in the here and now not the what ifs from yesteryear and what TD think is that Labours candidates are in a real mess
Some will feel hat they have to reposition themselves centrally and they will do better next time, Some may well not say that for fear of the momentum axe rising above their heads - that's Starmer, Nandy and possibly Jess
But if they are elected then they have to get the repositioning past the party - not easy
then they have to convince the electorate that they have changed and now NEW Labour is back but not quite the same as the last New Labour and certainly not like the Old labour that Jeremy was head of They may fail and Labour loses
Not that easy
Then there is Rebecca Long Stare she can win the leadership and be the lefts darling She is likely to fail at winning a general election but hey ho
Then there is Emily (my Emily the corset busting bundle of mixed up energy that is Emily)
Was doing so well at one point and that became Emily No body after her positioning on Brexit. I dunno what to make of her. I think she is way way more intelligent and intellectual than is portrayed and I think she has some considerable skills.
I expect to be slaughtered for this and no doubt some think I'm doing the parrot thing, I reckon she really would aim for the centre and f off the left if she really thought she could get the party into power.
But she comes across as way out of touch with the electorate and her chances are doomed.
So unless someone is prepared to take on the left the party is unlikely to win. But to say they will do that will mean they are unlikely to get to be leader
And even if they do get to be leader, do a Kinnock and reduce the lefts influence the electorate may well think - not for me sorry
Oh well

[anonymous-user]

If we are what ifing of a Monday morning....


What if Grenfell had happened a few weeks earlier, actually during the election campaign? Would JC now be PM?

(Obviously I deeply wish Grenfell had never happened at all)

[gruffalo]

Comstock said:

If we are what ifing of a Monday morning....


What if Grenfell had happened a few weeks earlier, actually during the election campaign? Would JC now be PM?

(Obviously I deeply wish Grenfell had never happened at all)

No.

The fundamental problem is that Labour don't know how to be anything other than a protest movement.

I think it was Lisa Nandy in a recent interview with Andrew Neil was asked why if she now agreed that Brexit needed to be passed she voted against this in the latest votes.

Her answer was that she was part of the opposition parties and therefore her job was to vote against the government.

They don't even know how to be an opposition let alone how to govern.

[rdjohn]

We have another 3-months of this leadership battle. It is the ultimate car-crash TV.

You just know that it’s going to end up badly.

And yet, Boris’s approval ratings seem to be rising by the hour.

[anonymous-user]

gruffalo said:

No.

I'm not so sure. Given how tight the 2017 election was (even with the DUP, TM barely had a majority), it wouldn't have taken much more to tip the balance towards Labour and given them a shot at power, albeit probably in an unstable three way coalition with the SNP and the Liberals.

[anonymous-user]

Comstock said:

I'm not so sure. Given how tight the 2017 election was (even with the DUP, TM barely had a majority), it wouldn't have taken much more to tip the balance towards Labour and given them a shot at power, albeit probably in an unstable three way coalition with the SNP and the Liberals.

Why do you believe Grenfell would have disadvantaged the Tories and handed one to Labour?

[anonymous-user]

janesmith1950 said:

Why do you believe Grenfell would have disadvantaged the Tories and handed one to Labour?

Well the left managed to portray Grenfell as the fault of the Tory council in wealthy Kensington, and set it in the wider context of inequality and rich vs poor.

I don't think I want to go much further with this, even at the time I was very uncomfortable about how the left was politicising Grenfell.

[Mothersruin]

Or outright lying in David Lammy's case.

I did wonder at the time if there was a legal case to answer for something like that.

[pingu393]

Comstock said:

If we are what ifing of a Monday morning....


What if Grenfell had happened a few weeks earlier, actually during the election campaign? Would JC now be PM?

(Obviously I deeply wish Grenfell had never happened at all)

I think Boris would have handled it very differently.

[vaud]

B'stard Child said:

And this is the problem with tribal politics

Labour - "Everything Tory Bad"

Tory - "Everything Labour Bad"

Lib Dem - "they are all Bad" (Clueless s)

It is a shame, as there are some great MPs who will work across party lines to create good legislation. In fact it could be argued the the best policy/legislation for the people comes from such debate.

[Dont like rolls]

Just saying