Taking the knee
Discussion
mrporsche said:
I am not sure what that means in this context. There are loads of international news stories that people have no recollection of.
I would still be surprised if the average person knew who he was .
It was huge news. Trump waded in, there's no context, it was a news headline. I would still be surprised if the average person knew who he was .
JeffreyD said:
Selective knowledge these people seem to have.
Pretty handy for your argument.
Yes, these people seemingly have zero knowledge of Colin Kapernick's existence, yet have a nuanced understanding of the American BLM organisation's political beliefs and that's why they're booing. hmmmm... Pretty handy for your argument.
ddom said:
chrispmartha said:
Black Lives Matter UK is not a marxist organisation.
https://blacklivesmatter.uk
Can you understand how people who have been subjected to racism might have a different view on what BLM means to them?
BLM UK, do they have a local branch in Henley upon Thames, give me strength!https://blacklivesmatter.uk
Can you understand how people who have been subjected to racism might have a different view on what BLM means to them?
Black Lives Matter said:
Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc. is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy
BLM. The BLM as formed from the US, and is still peddling the same old crap. Black Lives Matter said:
Join the Movement to fight for Freedom, Liberation and Justice by signing up for updates, supporting our work, checking out our resources, following us on social media, or wearing our dope, official gear.
Spend your money on our 'dope' merch.....that's awesome I'll have some of that, oh hang on.....Black Lives Matter said:
We appreciate your support of the movement and our ongoing fight to end State-sanctioned violence, liberate Black people, and end white supremacy forever.
erm...Black Lives Matter said:
We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.
but...Black Lives Matter said:
The call for Black lives to matter is a rallying cry for ALL Black lives striving for liberation.
What is marxism?the internet said:
Marxism is a social, political, and economic philosophy named after Karl Marx. It examines the effect of capitalism on labor, productivity, and economic development and argues for a worker revolution to overturn capitalism in favor of communism.
Black Lives Matter said:
We are a collective of liberators who believe in an inclusive and spacious movement. We also believe that in order to win and bring as many people with us along the way, we must move beyond the narrow nationalism that is all too prevalent in Black communities. We must ensure we are building a movement that brings all of us to the front.
If it walks like a duck, and quacks....it's likely a duck.As I keep daying dfferent meanings for different people
Pugaris said:
JeffreyD said:
Selective knowledge these people seem to have.
Pretty handy for your argument.
Yes, these people seemingly have zero knowledge of Colin Kapernick's existence, yet have a nuanced understanding of the American BLM organisation's political beliefs and that's why they're booing. hmmmm... Pretty handy for your argument.
ddom said:
chrispmartha said:
Yes BLM UK, you know the place where we live
As I keep daying dfferent meanings for different people
Yes, you daid enough for sure. As I keep daying dfferent meanings for different people
Do you think everyone in the UK thinks BLM is solely to do with Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation from the US and that the English football players are taking the knee in support of that particular US organisation?
chrispmartha said:
Ooo you picked up on typo, 10 internet points for you.
Do you think everyone in the UK thinks BLM is solely to do with Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation from the US and that the English football players are taking the knee in support of that particular US organisation?
You are assuming it is to do with BLM UK (Surrey) and not BLM (corp) Do you think everyone in the UK thinks BLM is solely to do with Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation from the US and that the English football players are taking the knee in support of that particular US organisation?
Why bother to use the same name if you don't want to be associated with a marxist group? That's if you will even admit that the US outfit are such a thing?
Pugaris said:
Vanden Saab said:
chrispmartha said:
Do you think a Nazi salute and Taking the Knee have comparable meanings to people?
So you agree that peoples understanding of what something means is important then?Do you think the intent of a multimillionaire taking the knee at a football match is to show their support for Marxism?
Do you think the intent of a person doing a Nazi salute is to show their support for Nazism?
If you answer those questions truthfully, you'll see why your desire to equate them is nonsense.
ddom said:
You are assuming it is to do with BLM UK (Surrey) and not BLM (corp)
Why bother to use the same name if you don't want to be associated with a marxist group? That's if you will even admit that the US outfit are such a thing?
Im not the one assuming anything am I, Im doing the opposite saying it means different things to different people, some might know nothing of either of those organisations let alone about whether they are Marxist or not, I’d wager some don’t even know what Marxism is.Why bother to use the same name if you don't want to be associated with a marxist group? That's if you will even admit that the US outfit are such a thing?
This is why the comparisons to a Nazi salute are lame
Vanden Saab said:
Pugaris said:
Vanden Saab said:
chrispmartha said:
Do you think a Nazi salute and Taking the Knee have comparable meanings to people?
So you agree that peoples understanding of what something means is important then?Do you think the intent of a multimillionaire taking the knee at a football match is to show their support for Marxism?
Do you think the intent of a person doing a Nazi salute is to show their support for Nazism?
If you answer those questions truthfully, you'll see why your desire to equate them is nonsense.
Hint, he didn’t state any symbol.
chrispmartha said:
105.4 said:
chrispmartha said:
I am saying BLM means different things to different people, you might think that everyone thinks its a marxist political organisation, but they don't.
And there is the root of the problem.BLM is a Marxist organisation, (by their very own admission), and large parts of society are too ignorant or too dumb to realise that, or to realise that Marxism in its various guises is never, ever, a good think, (see my post a few pages back for my Wife’s own personal experiences of growing up under the kosh of the Maoist variant of Marxism and try imagining yourself in her shoes).
https://blacklivesmatter.uk
So now you're calling people dumb and ignorant for having a different opinion than you.
I read your post on your wife's experience it its dreadful and I have every bit of empathy for what she went through and I can understand why it would form your view on this issue.
Can you understand how people who have been subjected to racism might have a different view on what BLM means to them?
https://www.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund
Black Lives Matter UK (BLMUK) is a coalition of black activists and organisers across the UK. We’ve been organising since 2016 for justice in our communities.
We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. We build deep relationships across the diaspora and strategise to challenge the rise of the authoritarian right-wing across the world, from Brazil to Britain.
We’re developing new and exciting ways of organising that centre transparency, accountability, safety and healing for our organisers and our communities. BLMUK organises in the black radical tradition, using political education, direct action and political leadership toward black liberation.
Edited by jimPH on Thursday 10th June 18:53
Vanden Saab said:
chrispmartha said:
He didn’t state that did he, read it again.
Hint, he didn’t state any symbol.
Nothing to do with BLM... I believe them really I do... Do you?Hint, he didn’t state any symbol.
Why do you think they have changed their minds...
Even if you don’t believe what the footballers say and you think they are doing it in support of BLM that doesn’t mean they are doing it in support of the Black Lives Matter Global organisation or that those booing think that either.
Near to me, I watched a BLM protest in skipton, Yorkshire last year take place in the market place at the height of all the protests.
It amused me that not a single person appeared to be from any obvious ethnic minority. I have a feeling a farmer or two was ready to t
t them if they’d started getting all studenty and smashing up land rovers for no reason.
It amused me that not a single person appeared to be from any obvious ethnic minority. I have a feeling a farmer or two was ready to t
t them if they’d started getting all studenty and smashing up land rovers for no reason. chrispmartha said:
Vanden Saab said:
chrispmartha said:
He didn’t state that did he, read it again.
Hint, he didn’t state any symbol.
Nothing to do with BLM... I believe them really I do... Do you?Hint, he didn’t state any symbol.
Why do you think they have changed their minds...
Even if you don’t believe what the footballers say and you think they are doing it in support of BLM that doesn’t mean they are doing it in support of the Black Lives Matter Global organisation or that those booing think that either.
Vanden Saab said:
chrispmartha said:
Vanden Saab said:
chrispmartha said:
He didn’t state that did he, read it again.
Hint, he didn’t state any symbol.
Nothing to do with BLM... I believe them really I do... Do you?Hint, he didn’t state any symbol.
Why do you think they have changed their minds...
Even if you don’t believe what the footballers say and you think they are doing it in support of BLM that doesn’t mean they are doing it in support of the Black Lives Matter Global organisation or that those booing think that either.
chrispmartha said:
Im not the one assuming anything am I, Im doing the opposite saying it means different things to different people, some might know nothing of either of those organisations let alone about whether they are Marxist or not, I’d wager some don’t even know what Marxism is.
This is why the comparisons to a Nazi salute are lame
The only thing thing lame is you refusing to answer a direct question. This is why the comparisons to a Nazi salute are lame
ddom said:
chrispmartha said:
Im not the one assuming anything am I, Im doing the opposite saying it means different things to different people, some might know nothing of either of those organisations let alone about whether they are Marxist or not, I’d wager some don’t even know what Marxism is.
This is why the comparisons to a Nazi salute are lame
The only thing thing lame is you refusing to answer a direct question. This is why the comparisons to a Nazi salute are lame
Try me again
Ill ask you one though
If you asked lets say 100 people
What does a Nazi Salute represent
And what does Taking the knee before a football game represent
do you think the first question would get a higher percentage of people with the same answer as the latter?
Edited by chrispmartha on Thursday 10th June 19:33
Edited by chrispmartha on Thursday 10th June 19:33
Edited by chrispmartha on Thursday 10th June 19:33
chrispmartha said:
ddom said:
chrispmartha said:
Im not the one assuming anything am I, Im doing the opposite saying it means different things to different people, some might know nothing of either of those organisations let alone about whether they are Marxist or not, I’d wager some don’t even know what Marxism is.
This is why the comparisons to a Nazi salute are lame
The only thing thing lame is you refusing to answer a direct question. This is why the comparisons to a Nazi salute are lame
Try me again
Ill ask you one though
If you asked lets say 100 people
What does a Nazi Salute mean
And what does Taking the knee before a football game means
do you think the first question would get a higher percentage of people with the same answer as the latter?
Edited by chrispmartha on Thursday 10th June 19:33
Edit... In before the edit...
Edited by Vanden Saab on Thursday 10th June 19:37
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