Trans woman convicted rapist sent to female prison

[eldar]

otolith said:

They should give them anti-androgen drugs. Or chop their bks off.

That would teach her.

Oh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6aQC-1-GF4

[JagLover]

eldar said:

8 years seems a very light tariff for a serial rapist, likely to reoffend, regardless of current orientation.

Their orientation hasn't changed only their supposed gender.

[Vipers]

JagLover said:

eldar said:

8 years seems a very light tariff for a serial rapist, likely to reoffend, regardless of current orientation.

Their orientation hasn't changed only their supposed gender.

No doubt he/she will have fun inside a mans prison.

[BrassMan]

Master Of Puppets said:

irc said:

I predict that the new biological males serve their sentence in male jails rule will mean fewer suddenly discovering their new gender after being charged/convicted.

This. Without the slightest doubt.

Were there ever that many? Surely this is news because it is rare?

[donkmeister]

If I ever invent a thing that means I want to be accepted by the world as a thing that I am not, I'm not going to make a big fuss about it but rather keep it under the radar.

There's a much better chance of exceptions being made to take into account your own situation if you aren't making demands that everyone must agree with you.

I would describe myself as trans-agnostic. It's none of my business what is in someone's pants, it doesn't affect me. I also don't really care if trans-men want to use the gents, I doubt "John" has really gone to this effort just so they can get a look at my old chap. But likewise, I'm not going to ignore biology or take on a special definition of the word "gender".

Anyway. I have never been to Bangkok and anyone who says I did is a liar.

Edited by donkmeister on Tuesday 28th February 21:43

[greygoose]

V8covin said:

Master Of Puppets said:

So the transgender rapist who raped two women whilst still living as a man has been jailed for eight years......


https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scotti...

I find sentences for rape ridiculously short

It does seem too little, the whole issue of rape investigations and lack of prosecutions is disgraceful imho, shameful for a supposedly developed nation.

[Gecko1978]

donkmeister said:

If I ever invent a thing that means I want to be accepted by the world as a thing that I am not, I'm not going to make a big fuss about it but rather keep it under the radar.

There's a much better chance of exceptions being made to take into account your own situation if you aren't making demands that everyone must agree with you.

I would describe myself as trans-agnostic. It's none of my business what is in someone's pants, it doesn't affect me. I also don't really care if trans-men want to use the gents, I doubt "John" has really gone to this effort just so they can get a look at my old chap. But likewise, I'm not going to ignore biology or take on a special definition of the word "gender".

Anyway. I have never been to Bangkok and anyone who says I did is a liar.

Edited by donkmeister on Tuesday 28th February 21:43

This thread really is not about trans people or trans rights or trans acceptance. It's about safety and logic in respect of violent offenders. Segregation works and it did appear this chap was in Seg in the women's prison first however Seg has limited spaces and is used not only for violent offenders but also thoes who are a danger to themselves. So it's possible this man (for he is a he) when making claims of being trans (he seems to basically have been a fantasist and not actually trans) took a space in Seg from a women who could have been high risk or even a high risk trans inmate who actually was trans an not a male sex offender taking the piss.

So fk him I hope he gets railed by big Tony and the boys in bar l nonce wing for 8 years.

I also hope this sorry episode means actual trans prisoners are treated fairly and thier safety and others looked after rather than knee jerk ideas designed to support GRC which seem to be a step too far.

[irc]

If he is a she would she not enjoy being in a male jail. Lots of prisoners of the opposite sex to make friends with.

[Master Of Puppets]

For those who didn't see the SNP leaders debate last night, here is the potential new FM admitting what the SNP said wouldn't happen.

By declaring that Isla Bryson is “at it” and “playing the system,” Humza Yousaf is admitting out loud that predators, rapists, paedophiles and violent offenders are able to take advantage of loopholes in self-ID policies that he helped implement. Can't be any clearer than that.

https://youtu.be/C2wuPi3whQs

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Master Of Puppets said:

By declaring that Isla Bryson is “at it” and “playing the system,” Humza Yousaf is admitting out loud that predators, rapists, paedophiles and violent offenders are able to take advantage of loopholes in self-ID policies that he helped implement. Can't be any clearer than that.

So? Some people manage to "play the system" on taxation. Does that mean that every taxpayer is on the fiddle? Of course not - that would be a ridiculous conclusion to draw. Yet people draw these kind of sweeping conclusions on trans women.

[Randy Winkman]

I think the aim should be to identify those that might be trying to play the system rather than treat everyone as it they are doing that.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Randy Winkman said:

I think the aim should be to identify those that might be trying to play the system rather than treat everyone as it they are doing that.

Indeed.

[Master Of Puppets]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Master Of Puppets said:

By declaring that Isla Bryson is “at it” and “playing the system,” Humza Yousaf is admitting out loud that predators, rapists, paedophiles and violent offenders are able to take advantage of loopholes in self-ID policies that he helped implement. Can't be any clearer than that.

So? Some people manage to "play the system" on taxation. Does that mean that every taxpayer is on the fiddle? Of course not - that would be a ridiculous conclusion to draw. Yet people draw these kind of sweeping conclusions on trans women.

You are missing the point completely, the point is the SNP were adamant that these sort of situations would not happen. It did. And it has nothing to do with 'sweeping conclusions' about trans women in general, it's about Bryson and SNP hypocrisy, and what Yousaf said about Bryson being 'at it' and 'playing the system' has actually been reported to Police Scotland as a hate crime.

[Vanden Saab]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Randy Winkman said:

I think the aim should be to identify those that might be trying to play the system rather than treat everyone as it they are doing that.

Indeed.

Excellent, how exactly do you plan to do this in our brave new self-identifying world while still respecting the individuals human rights and not falling foul of discrimination legislation?

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Master Of Puppets said:

You are missing the point completely, the point is the SNP were adamant that these sort of situations would not happen. It did. And it has nothing to do with 'sweeping conclusions' about trans women in general, it's about Bryson and SNP hypocrisy, and what Yousaf said about Bryson being 'at it' and 'playing the system' has actually been reported to Police Scotland as a hate crime.

I see. Perhaps I misunderstood you then.

As a more general observation, though, my comment stands, inasmuch as the anti-trans brigade will be taking this case as "evidence" of something or other. Probably involving toilets.

[survivalist]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Randy Winkman said:

I think the aim should be to identify those that might be trying to play the system rather than treat everyone as it they are doing that.

Indeed.

Good in theory, but not likely to happen in reality. In order for that you’d gave to use common sense to determine that someone is either taking the piss and/or gaming the system. Common sense isn’t something that currently welcome when it comes to trans issues.

Let’s not forget the first few pages of this thread where a number of posters were suggesting that all the decisions that were made concerning Isla Bryson were the correct ones, when in reality they were always gaming the system.

[Plymo]

Randy Winkman said:

I think the aim should be to identify those that might be trying to play the system rather than treat everyone as it they are doing that.

Yep, if any system is to have any meaning at all, it needs to have effective safeguards in case people try to take the piss - and whether out of malice, or just to prove a point they will try.
If the certificates become too "easy" to obtain, then they become meaningless, as they would prove nothing

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Plymo said:

If the certificates become too "easy" to obtain, then they become meaningless, as they would prove nothing

The issue is that right now (in England) you have to convince a board of medical professionals that there is something "wrong" with you that can only be "cured" with transition.

Anyway, let's not go through all this again.

[Plymo]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Plymo said:

If the certificates become too "easy" to obtain, then they become meaningless, as they would prove nothing

The issue is that right now (in England) you have to convince a board of medical professionals that there is something "wrong" with you that can only be "cured" with transition.

Anyway, let's not go through all this again.

And that's a problem as well, the current process is frankly humiliating by the sound of it. There must be a way of reforming it so that it's more sensitive and less "medical" while also weeding out any chancers or blatant abuse of the system

[Master Of Puppets]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Master Of Puppets said:

You are missing the point completely, the point is the SNP were adamant that these sort of situations would not happen. It did. And it has nothing to do with 'sweeping conclusions' about trans women in general, it's about Bryson and SNP hypocrisy, and what Yousaf said about Bryson being 'at it' and 'playing the system' has actually been reported to Police Scotland as a hate crime.

I see. Perhaps I misunderstood you then.

As a more general observation, though, my comment stands, inasmuch as the anti-trans brigade will be taking this case as "evidence" of something or other. Probably involving toilets.

Skip to 50 seconds and you will hear it straight from the horses mouth.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1635759436194086917