Public emergency alert - being sent to your phone
Discussion
craigjm said:
xx99xx said:
I think phones are constantly broadcasting/receiving and the SIM just does the handshake between phone and mast to allow the signal to be used on the phone. Without a SIM, the phone will show as no network/signal although it will be connected to the tower.
I haven't tried it in the UK, but apparently you can still make emergency calls (and receive emergency broadcasts) in the USA if you have no SIM card.
This is correct. It is a legal requirement in the UK that any mobile with or without sim and without credit if payg can make a 999 call. They do this through attaching to the nearest tower regardless of carrier. With the emergency alerts then it would receive it as a broadcast from the tower. This was also a requirement of the alert system. The sim only identifies you to the tower to allow delivery of your calls and messages I haven't tried it in the UK, but apparently you can still make emergency calls (and receive emergency broadcasts) in the USA if you have no SIM card.
Gareth79 said:
craigjm said:
xx99xx said:
I think phones are constantly broadcasting/receiving and the SIM just does the handshake between phone and mast to allow the signal to be used on the phone. Without a SIM, the phone will show as no network/signal although it will be connected to the tower.
I haven't tried it in the UK, but apparently you can still make emergency calls (and receive emergency broadcasts) in the USA if you have no SIM card.
This is correct. It is a legal requirement in the UK that any mobile with or without sim and without credit if payg can make a 999 call. They do this through attaching to the nearest tower regardless of carrier. With the emergency alerts then it would receive it as a broadcast from the tower. This was also a requirement of the alert system. The sim only identifies you to the tower to allow delivery of your calls and messages I haven't tried it in the UK, but apparently you can still make emergency calls (and receive emergency broadcasts) in the USA if you have no SIM card.
Not willing to test if it will though.
jm8403 said:
xx99xx said:
Vipers said:
As it seems there were some glitches in it will there be another test?
Mine never did get the alert.
Nothing planned currently.Mine never did get the alert.
I am a user of the system but I wasn't involved in the planning, preparation, procurement or roll out. From what I've heard, there are no immediate plans for another test, which was also what was stated publicly. Certainly not a national level test. Or maybe another bench test is appropriate https://youtu.be/ycyl9S5lGok
If a real alert is required in the next year or so then a test won't be necessary.
TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
Gareth79 said:
craigjm said:
xx99xx said:
I think phones are constantly broadcasting/receiving and the SIM just does the handshake between phone and mast to allow the signal to be used on the phone. Without a SIM, the phone will show as no network/signal although it will be connected to the tower.
I haven't tried it in the UK, but apparently you can still make emergency calls (and receive emergency broadcasts) in the USA if you have no SIM card.
This is correct. It is a legal requirement in the UK that any mobile with or without sim and without credit if payg can make a 999 call. They do this through attaching to the nearest tower regardless of carrier. With the emergency alerts then it would receive it as a broadcast from the tower. This was also a requirement of the alert system. The sim only identifies you to the tower to allow delivery of your calls and messages I haven't tried it in the UK, but apparently you can still make emergency calls (and receive emergency broadcasts) in the USA if you have no SIM card.
Not willing to test if it will though.
https://www.lakesfirstaid.co.uk/999-call-mobile-phone/ said:
WHEN A MOBILE PHONE CANNOT MAKE A 999 CALL
Another common myth is that it is possible to make a 999 call on a phone without a SIM card. This would be handy however phones without a SIM card are blocked from making any calls to reduce the frequency of hoax calls. This has often confused people as a SIM-less phone may display ‘Emergency Calls Only’, however that is just the phone’s software displaying the message when turned on. As the phone is not yet subscribed to any network it will not be possible to make a 999 call.
It is possible, however to make a 999 call on a Pay as you Go phone with no credit left – good to know!
Another common myth is that it is possible to make a 999 call on a phone without a SIM card. This would be handy however phones without a SIM card are blocked from making any calls to reduce the frequency of hoax calls. This has often confused people as a SIM-less phone may display ‘Emergency Calls Only’, however that is just the phone’s software displaying the message when turned on. As the phone is not yet subscribed to any network it will not be possible to make a 999 call.
It is possible, however to make a 999 call on a Pay as you Go phone with no credit left – good to know!
A local radio news item from earlier today noted that the emergency alert system will be used by Mystic Met this summer to warn us of summery weather. What a shock that isn't.
There are worse times of year. Cold and severe cold kill nearly 20x more globally than warm weather and heatwaves. The data also show that mild heat plus mild cold kill substantially more people than extreme heat plus extreme cold. This is heresy as it clearly shows extreme weather is nowhere near as dangerous as claimed, and in particular, heat. This is about nudges from UKMO to 'help' us swallow and follow orthodox doctrine. I appreciate some will look the other way.
The coming winter sounds
like it'll be a noisy affair as the promised warm wet winters are nowhere and even mild cold is bad news.
Data
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630
Doctrine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65769165
There are worse times of year. Cold and severe cold kill nearly 20x more globally than warm weather and heatwaves. The data also show that mild heat plus mild cold kill substantially more people than extreme heat plus extreme cold. This is heresy as it clearly shows extreme weather is nowhere near as dangerous as claimed, and in particular, heat. This is about nudges from UKMO to 'help' us swallow and follow orthodox doctrine. I appreciate some will look the other way.
The coming winter sounds
like it'll be a noisy affair as the promised warm wet winters are nowhere and even mild cold is bad news. Data
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630
Doctrine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65769165
It’s not, turbobloke heard something somewhere and let his frothing get the better of him. If you read his own links this is a different system which you voluntarily sign up for alerts. It has nothing to do with mission creep on the alert system this thread is about, it’s a different system. But never mind that.
turbobloke said:
A local radio news item from earlier today noted that the emergency alert system will be used by Mystic Met this summer to warn us of summery weather. What a shock that isn't.
There are worse times of year. Cold and severe cold kill nearly 20x more globally than warm weather and heatwaves. The data also show that mild heat plus mild cold kill substantially more people than extreme heat plus extreme cold. This is heresy as it clearly shows extreme weather is nowhere near as dangerous as claimed, and in particular, heat. This is about nudges from UKMO to 'help' us swallow and follow orthodox doctrine. I appreciate some will look the other way.
The coming winter sounds like it'll be a noisy affair as the promised warm wet winters are nowhere and even mild cold is bad news.
Data
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630
Doctrine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65769165
Are you sure?There are worse times of year. Cold and severe cold kill nearly 20x more globally than warm weather and heatwaves. The data also show that mild heat plus mild cold kill substantially more people than extreme heat plus extreme cold. This is heresy as it clearly shows extreme weather is nowhere near as dangerous as claimed, and in particular, heat. This is about nudges from UKMO to 'help' us swallow and follow orthodox doctrine. I appreciate some will look the other way.
The coming winter sounds
like it'll be a noisy affair as the promised warm wet winters are nowhere and even mild cold is bad news. Data
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630
Doctrine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65769165
Have you looked here
Please complete the form below to register to receive both the Heat-Health Alerts (HHA) and Cold-Health Alerts (CHA).
ETA: they are also email alerts…
Edited by Catastrophic Poo on Friday 2nd June 06:38
Catastrophic Poo said:
turbobloke said:
A local radio news item from earlier today noted that the emergency alert system will be used by Mystic Met this summer to warn us of summery weather. What a shock that isn't.
There are worse times of year. Cold and severe cold kill nearly 20x more globally than warm weather and heatwaves. The data also show that mild heat plus mild cold kill substantially more people than extreme heat plus extreme cold. This is heresy as it clearly shows extreme weather is nowhere near as dangerous as claimed, and in particular, heat. This is about nudges from UKMO to 'help' us swallow and follow orthodox doctrine. I appreciate some will look the other way.
The coming winter sounds like it'll be a noisy affair as the promised warm wet winters are nowhere and even mild cold is bad news.
Data
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630
Doctrine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65769165
Are you sure?There are worse times of year. Cold and severe cold kill nearly 20x more globally than warm weather and heatwaves. The data also show that mild heat plus mild cold kill substantially more people than extreme heat plus extreme cold. This is heresy as it clearly shows extreme weather is nowhere near as dangerous as claimed, and in particular, heat. This is about nudges from UKMO to 'help' us swallow and follow orthodox doctrine. I appreciate some will look the other way.
The coming winter sounds
like it'll be a noisy affair as the promised warm wet winters are nowhere and even mild cold is bad news. Data
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630
Doctrine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65769165
Have you looked here
Please complete the form below to register to receive both the Heat-Health Alerts (HHA) and Cold-Health Alerts (CHA).
turbobloke said:
A local radio news item from earlier today noted that the emergency alert system will be used by Mystic Met this summer to warn us of summery weather. What a shock that isn't.
There are worse times of year. Cold and severe cold kill nearly 20x more globally than warm weather and heatwaves. The data also show that mild heat plus mild cold kill substantially more people than extreme heat plus extreme cold. This is heresy as it clearly shows extreme weather is nowhere near as dangerous as claimed, and in particular, heat. This is about nudges from UKMO to 'help' us swallow and follow orthodox doctrine. I appreciate some will look the other way.
The coming winter sounds like it'll be a noisy affair as the promised warm wet winters are nowhere and even mild cold is bad news.
Data
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630
Doctrine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65769165
Grrrrrr! Clouds!There are worse times of year. Cold and severe cold kill nearly 20x more globally than warm weather and heatwaves. The data also show that mild heat plus mild cold kill substantially more people than extreme heat plus extreme cold. This is heresy as it clearly shows extreme weather is nowhere near as dangerous as claimed, and in particular, heat. This is about nudges from UKMO to 'help' us swallow and follow orthodox doctrine. I appreciate some will look the other way.
The coming winter sounds
like it'll be a noisy affair as the promised warm wet winters are nowhere and even mild cold is bad news. Data
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630
Doctrine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65769165
tangerine_sedge said:
turbobloke said:
A local radio news item from earlier today noted that the emergency alert system will be used by Mystic Met this summer to warn us of summery weather. What a shock that isn't.
There are worse times of year. Cold and severe cold kill nearly 20x more globally than warm weather and heatwaves. The data also show that mild heat plus mild cold kill substantially more people than extreme heat plus extreme cold. This is heresy as it clearly shows extreme weather is nowhere near as dangerous as claimed, and in particular, heat. This is about nudges from UKMO to 'help' us swallow and follow orthodox doctrine. I appreciate some will look the other way.
The coming winter sounds like it'll be a noisy affair as the promised warm wet winters are nowhere and even mild cold is bad news.
Data
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630
Doctrine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65769165
Grrrrrr! Clouds!There are worse times of year. Cold and severe cold kill nearly 20x more globally than warm weather and heatwaves. The data also show that mild heat plus mild cold kill substantially more people than extreme heat plus extreme cold. This is heresy as it clearly shows extreme weather is nowhere near as dangerous as claimed, and in particular, heat. This is about nudges from UKMO to 'help' us swallow and follow orthodox doctrine. I appreciate some will look the other way.
The coming winter sounds
like it'll be a noisy affair as the promised warm wet winters are nowhere and even mild cold is bad news. Data
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630
Doctrine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65769165
Where's the research data to counter? You have none available, you have nothing. Bar faith, presumably.
Edited by turbobloke on Friday 2nd June 08:28
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: It's not the same system.
It's email alerts and you have to deliberately sign up for them.
It's AN alert system not THE alert system? That wasn't in the news item, thanks for the info. It would have been useful to mention as UK Met Office has access to THE system.It's email alerts and you have to deliberately sign up for them.
Nudge is nudge, and the info from LSHTM research remains.
Catastrophic Poo said:
turbobloke said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: It's not the same system.
It's email alerts and you have to deliberately sign up for them.
It's AN alert system not THE alert system? That wasn't in the news item, thanks for the info.It's email alerts and you have to deliberately sign up for them.
Nudge is nudge.
To be clear, you want to be led by the hand down a costly dead end?
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