How do we think EU negotiations will go?

[alfie2244]

Robertj21a said:

mx5nut said:

UK airlines risk losing flying rights, says leaked Brexit paper

Oh dear, they didn't put that on the ballot paper.

In the 'old days' they used to have long playing records on 33rpm which, with annoying frequency, could get stuck on a particular track and never move forward on to something more interesting.

Just mentioning.......

I remember flying to Europe in a Dan Air Dakota.....IIRC they couldn't stop them flying to Europe many years ago and I doubt they will stop UK planes flying to Europe post Brexit either.

[wc98]

drainbrain said:

Yes, but how does increasing the wage assist a here and now skills shortage? Pendragon can't get mechanics. Not because they aren't paying enough but because there aren't any to get.

And of course increasing either wages or investment doesn't give any guarantees of increased productivity, does it?

i realise in the last decade it has become an alien concept , but apprenticeships used to fill that role . proper apprenticeships, not 12 month training courses like many of the "welders" that built our lovely new aircraft carriers received .

[gooner1]

drainbrain said:

Yes, but how does increasing the wage assist a here and now skills shortage? Pendragon can't get mechanics. Not because they aren't paying enough but because there aren't any to get.

And of course increasing either wages or investment doesn't give any guarantees of increased productivity, does it?

It does'nt guarantee increased productivity, but doing
neither would almost certainly guarantee the opposite imo.

[drainbrain]

wc98 said:

i realise in the last decade it has become an alien concept , but apprenticeships used to fill that role . proper apprenticeships, not 12 month training courses like many of the "welders" that built our lovely new aircraft carriers received .

News on that front ain't great

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42092171

[drainbrain]

gooner1 said:

It does'nt guarantee increased productivity, but doing
neither would almost certainly guarantee the opposite imo.

Well wages aren't going be increasing any time soon. You watch the news. It was made pretty clear this week and why.

So boosting productivity's now going to hinge on investment, is it? And where are most companies which can't find any wriggle room on wages expected to find investment funding? Debt? Banks might have something to say about that.

Certainly doesn't seem like EU grant aid will be likely now we don't want to be an EU member anymore.

[sidicks]

drainbrain said:

Well wages aren't going be increasing any time soon. You watch the news. It was made pretty clear this week and why.

So boosting productivity's now going to hinge on investment, is it? And where are most companies which can't find any wriggle room on wages expected to find investment funding? Debt? Banks might have something to say about that.

Certainly doesn't seem like EU grant aid will be likely now we don't want to be an EU member anymore.

Why is that a problem? EU grant aid is simply a proportion of what we give to the EU.

[Zod]

alfie2244 said:

Robertj21a said:

mx5nut said:

UK airlines risk losing flying rights, says leaked Brexit paper

Oh dear, they didn't put that on the ballot paper.

In the 'old days' they used to have long playing records on 33rpm which, with annoying frequency, could get stuck on a particular track and never move forward on to something more interesting.

Just mentioning.......

I remember flying to Europe in a Dan Air Dakota.....IIRC they couldn't stop them flying to Europe many years ago and I doubt they will stop UK planes flying to Europe post Brexit either.

I’m almost surprised you are not telling us you flew there in a Lancaster.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Zod said:

I’m almost surprised you are not telling us you flew there in a Lancaster.

But he knows. He just knows.

[gooner1]

[quote=drainbrain]

Well wages aren't going be increasing any time soon. You watch the news. It was made pretty clear this week and why.

So boosting productivity's now going to hinge on investment, is it? And where are most companies which can't find any wriggle room on wages expected to find investment funding? Debt? Banks might have something to say about that.

Certainly doesn't seem like EU grant aid will be likely now we don't want to be an EU member anymore. [quote]


Why did'nt these companies that can't find the money for increased wages and/or investment, apply for EU grant aid before the referendum, surely it must of been apparent to them, that
the workforce could not go on indefinitely on the same wage, year in, year out.
Ditto investment.

[drainbrain]

gooner1 said:

Why didn't these companies that can't find the money for increased wages and/or investment apply for EU grant aid before the referendum. Surely it must have been apparent to them that the workforce could not go on indefinitely on the same wage year in year out. Ditto investment.

Perhaps this is an oversimplification but imo there isn't going to be any significant UK economic growth based on increased productivity or UK sourced investment capital. At least until Brexit issues are clearly resolved much is going to remain exactly as it is.

There is no economic plan to account for Brexit. Once there is, Brexit benefits MAY then emerge. But that remains a hope and a risk as uncertainty continues to dominate everything.

Edited by drainbrain on Saturday 25th November 00:28

[///ajd]

digimeistter said:

The Government is now preparing to walk away from this utter farce, being Brits we have done more than is reasonable, how we ever actually thought we could do a sensible deal with them is beyond me, we tried though.

WTO it is, and who's to blame?

Several revealing issues here, and it is interesting to see all the reflection over cameron and the deal he got and how he and the EU didn’t think we’d leave.

The reasons why they didn’t think we’d leave are manifest today in all the emerging news on the difficult talks, our growth tailing off while the EU now accelerates, and the poor outlook for the consequences.

You mention WTO here we come, seemingly fully aware that this is not a good outcome, and then ask who is to blame. Perhaps unwittingly this reveals the that you are blaming the EU for not only making you vote leave but also for leave being a mess/bad for UK.

The leave vote put us here. Decades of Dacre and Farage are to blame.

(just look at Dacre/Mail and Oxford street tweet yesterday - now reflect on what sort of crap he would say about bendy bananas to get his readers worked up)

[PurpleMoonlight]

///ajd said:

Several revealing issues here, and it is interesting to see all the reflection over cameron and the deal he got and how he and the EU didn’t think we’d leave.

The reasons why they didn’t think we’d leave are manifest today in all the emerging news on the difficult talks, our growth tailing off while the EU now accelerates, and the poor outlook for the consequences.

You mention WTO here we come, seemingly fully aware that this is not a good outcome, and then ask who is to blame. Perhaps unwittingly this reveals the that you are blaming the EU for not only making you vote leave but also for leave being a mess/bad for UK.

The leave vote put us here. Decades of Dacre and Farage are to blame.

(just look at Dacre/Mail and Oxford street tweet yesterday - now reflect on what sort of crap he would say about bendy bananas to get his readers worked up)

Everything is the fault of the EU.

Nothing more to be said.

[Coolbanana]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Everything is the fault of the EU.

Nothing more to be said.

Of course Leavers will cling to that stupid excuse like a pacifier; they are too cowardly to admit they stuffed up. The notion that the EU is being nasty is pathetic - and ignorant if truly believed.

What is happening now with the negotiations is not News to anyone, surely, it isn't an Unknown happenstance? The EU have a duty to the 27 remaining Countries and following their own consultations internally with those 27, they have embarked upon a negotiation strategy that will deliver what they want from the UK's Exit and future relationship. The EU is not a UK Charity. They are not punishing a belligerent UK, they are simply wanting to negotiate a series of Agreements that will benefit their own.
The UK has a very inept, weak Negotiation Team founded from self-serving Politicians who merely want to further their own careers and care less about the plight of the Average Joe in the street.

When a strong Team meets a weak Team the result is predictable.

But the Leavers apparently couldn't see this coming. They actually believe their weak Team has been "reasonable" and tried hard. Rubbish.

Leavers deserve the outcome that will transpire, they need to own it, feel the pain. I feel for the Remainers though who have to suffer for no good reason; brought down by emotional claptrap.

[Carl_Manchester]

yep - Eu negotiation approach - kick em in the balls that’ll teach the non believers.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Carl_Manchester said:

yep - Eu negotiation approach - kick em in the balls that’ll teach the non believers.

QED. Not one leaver is prepared to own the consequences of their recklessness.

[PurpleMoonlight]

Carl_Manchester said:

yep - Eu negotiation approach - kick em in the balls that’ll teach the non believers.

UK negotiation approach - we've shot ourselves in the foot please give us some cake.

[sidicks]

Coolbanana said:

Of course Leavers will cling to that stupid excuse like a pacifier; they are too cowardly to admit they stuffed up. The notion that the EU is being nasty is pathetic - and ignorant if truly believed.

The ignorance appears to come from those who would make nonsense generalisations about "Leavers".

Coolbanana said:

What is happening now with the negotiations is not News to anyone, surely, it isn't an Unknown happenstance? The EU have a duty to the 27 remaining Countries and following their own consultations internally with those 27, they have embarked upon a negotiation strategy that will deliver what they want from the UK's Exit and future relationship. The EU is not a UK Charity. They are not punishing a belligerent UK, they are simply wanting to negotiate a series of Agreements that will benefit their own.

A trade agreement will benefit both the UK and the EU. Those involved in the negotiation on behalf of the EU seem more worried about protecting their EU project and much less worried about the needs of the 27 remaining countries.

Coolbanana said:

The UK has a very inept, weak Negotiation Team founded from self-serving Politicians who merely want to further their own careers and care less about the plight of the Average Joe in the street.

When a strong Team meets a weak Team the result is predictable.

But the Leavers apparently couldn't see this coming. They actually believe their weak Team has been "reasonable" and tried hard. Rubbish.

Your claims are laughable. Can you enlighten us about your personal involvement in the negotiations?

Coolbanana said:

Leavers deserve the outcome that will transpire, they need to own it, feel the pain. I feel for the Remainers though who have to suffer for no good reason; brought down by emotional claptrap.

You seem very familiar with emotional claptrap.

Edited by sidicks on Saturday 25th November 09:54

Edited by sidicks on Saturday 25th November 09:55

[sidicks]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Carl_Manchester said:

yep - Eu negotiation approach - kick em in the balls that’ll teach the non believers.

QED. Not one leaver is prepared to own the consequences of their recklessness.

[Eddie Strohacker]

sidicks said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Carl_Manchester said:

yep - Eu negotiation approach - kick em in the balls that’ll teach the non believers.

QED. Not one leaver is prepared to own the consequences of their recklessness.

Is not an argument. Odd when you could have hit it with Sid bingo. (Ignorant, generalisation, strawman etc. etc).

[sidicks]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Is not an argument. Odd when you could have hit it with Sid bingo. (Ignorant, generalisation, strawman etc. etc).

Neither is your original post any form of ‘argument’ or attempt at discussion. It’s simply your personal opinions which don’t stack up to scrutiny. As ever.