Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

[crankedup5]

StevieBee said:

crankedup5 said:

Killboy said:

crankedup5 said:

Yup, some called it a betrayal of the people.

Some called it reality.

Yup, no argument from me on that, and I am content with the outcome.

Are you content with the consequences also?

What's you're favourite EU regulation that you no longer have to follow?

As I’ve mentioned numerous occasions, I wish to see far more effort from Government in bringing new trade agreements and better trade agreements with existing partners. I am also content that we, as a Nation, are free of inclusion with the EU debt pile which as some point members will have to address. That we no longer have F.O.M. but I do feel betrayed by Government for their lacking in
‘bringing back control’ of our borders. That the threat of the U.K. being swallowed into an EU Federal State has been banished.
That we no longer have to accept EU principles of Law and that we can again apply U.K. a principles of Law.
Lots of reasons to be cheerful.

[crankedup5]

Mortarboard said:

chrispmartha said:

crankedup5 said:

I always use my political vote seeking. what should be a beneficial outcome. I have never voted to knowingly place myself in a worse situation.
Worse in way for most people ?

Hasn’t your move to Gibralter fallen through because you can’t get the healthcare you need because we've left the EU?

And is so satisfied with the brexit situation he's a fierce supporter of Reform, who'll fix it all.

And yet it's not broken, apparently.
But also is, but not brexit's fault.

M.

I’ve always said that ten years will be required for real benefits of brexit to be developed and appreciated. It was never a light switch move to cut away the EU. I have never said that I am satisfied, zI have said that I am content, two entirely differing emotive.
Reform U.K. will bring forward more of the brexit benefits in a more timely manner, see their policy proposals.

[turbobloke]

crankedup5 said:

StevieBee said:

crankedup5 said:

Killboy said:

crankedup5 said:

Yup, some called it a betrayal of the people.

Some called it reality.

Yup, no argument from me on that, and I am content with the outcome.

Are you content with the consequences also?

What's you're favourite EU regulation that you no longer have to follow?

As I’ve mentioned numerous occasions, I wish to see far more effort from Government in bringing new trade agreements and better trade agreements with existing partners. I am also content that we, as a Nation, are free of inclusion with the EU debt pile which as some point members will have to address. That we no longer have F.O.M. but I do feel betrayed by Government for their lacking in
‘bringing back control’ of our borders. That the threat of the U.K. being swallowed into an EU Federal State has been banished.
That we no longer have to accept EU principles of Law and that we can again apply U.K. a principles of Law.
Lots of reasons to be cheerful.

Not least belly laughing at the wonky models which generated economic pessimism on demand, swallowed wholesale by remainers to feed their doom'n'gloom and even now recycled as if nobody notices even at this point that the predictions were duffer than a very duff thing. The negativity aka guesscasting embarrassed model creators but not brassneck remainers...at least the Chief Economissedit at the BoE apologised. IMF wrong too, and HMT, très drôle.

Andrew Haldane said his profession must adapt to regain the trust of the public, but then blamed others for his errors. Oh dreary dear.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/05/c...

[crankedup5]

said:

One day we will be thanked for our brave and sensible decision to leave the EU. We should never have been forced into the club by the then PM major.

[Riff Raff]

crankedup5 said:

One day we will be thanked for our brave and sensible decision to leave the EU. We should never have been forced into the club by the then PM major.

By who exactly? Younger voters who are much more pro-Europe than older ones?

[Ashfordian]

Spare tyre said:

I ask every so often, but don’t think I’ve seen it yet.

When do I see the first benefit?

At least £80bn saved from the UK not underwriting the EU's Covid recovery scheme.

When we cannot afford our own debt, we are no longer on the hook for a big and ever growing chunk or EU debt

But you and the other losers will intentionally ignore this and come back and troll again in a few months...

[Mortarboard]

turbobloke said:

Not least belly laughing at the wonky models which generated economic pessimism on demand, swallowed wholesale by remainers to feed their doom'n'gloom and even now recycled as if nobody notices even at this point that the predictions were duffer than a very duff thing. The negativity aka guesscasting embarrassed model creators but not brassneck remainers...at least the Chief Economissedit at the BoE apologised. IMF wrong too, and HMT, très drôle.

Andrew Haldane said his profession must adapt to regain the trust of the public, but then blamed others for his errors. Oh dreary dear.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jan/05/c...

Still not found a single link or shred of evidence to show the obr model is incorrect then?

Carry on, chef squirrel-herder.

M.

[Riff Raff]

Ashfordian said:

Spare tyre said:

I ask every so often, but don’t think I’ve seen it yet.

When do I see the first benefit?

At least £80bn saved from the UK not underwriting the EU's Covid recovery scheme.

When we cannot afford our own debt, we are no longer on the hook for a big and ever growing chunk or EU debt

But you and the other losers will intentionally ignore this and come back and troll again in a few months...

Is that a bigger number than the 4% hit to long run productivity?

[crankedup5]

Riff Raff said:

crankedup5 said:

One day we will be thanked for our brave and sensible decision to leave the EU. We should never have been forced into the club by the then PM major.

By who exactly? Younger voters who are much more pro-Europe than older ones?

Only time will tell.
But I do agree that statistics show that younger people are more pro EU than older people. Perhaps that’s because those younger people only knew life within the EU membership?
As young people grow up outside of an EU membership it is those that will be pleased by the decision of 2016.
Meanwhile politicians should learn from Majors mistake of signing the Masstricht Treaty without the consent of the U.K. public. The least on offer should have been a referendum on such a change in U.K. politics and consequences.

[Ashfordian]

Riff Raff said:

Ashfordian said:

Spare tyre said:

I ask every so often, but don’t think I’ve seen it yet.

When do I see the first benefit?

At least £80bn saved from the UK not underwriting the EU's Covid recovery scheme.

When we cannot afford our own debt, we are no longer on the hook for a big and ever growing chunk or EU debt

But you and the other losers will intentionally ignore this and come back and troll again in a few months...

Is that a bigger number than the 4% hit to long run productivity?

At some point in history people stopped believing the earth was flat. I wonder how long it will take remoaners to stop believing in the above work of fiction...

[Riff Raff]

Ashfordian said:

At some point in history people stopped believing the earth was flat. I wonder how long it will take remoaners to stop believing in the above work of fiction...

You've proved more than once that you don't really understand basic economics, never mind the more complicated stuff like Econometrics. So you carry on believing what you want. It doesn't make you right though.

[James6112]

BERXIT - WAS IT WORTH IT?

Still absolutely zero benefits.

I’m sure ReesMogg said that peasants would get cheaper shoes & food!
Scum.

Zillions of negatives.

Thankfully only a short blip / embarrassment

Back in before the Parliament after next.

[nickfrog]

Ashfordian said:

But you and the other losers will intentionally ignore this and come back and troll again in a few months...

Can't you see how this and the repeated use of the word "remoaner" weakens your otherwise legitimate views and makes you come across as somewhat bitter?

Can't you try to cut this stuff out and be more respectful of other people's views if you want them to respect yours?

[Ashfordian]

nickfrog said:

Can't you see how this and the repeated use of the word "remoaner" weakens your otherwise legitimate views and makes you come across as somewhat bitter?

Can't you try to cut this stuff out and be more respectful of other people's views if you want them to respect yours?

Why don't you call out the remoaner trolls? We know why, it's because you are a hypocrite.

I will treat these trolls with the disdain that they deserve and reply appropriately, even if it offends your biased constitution!

Get your own side in order before you start criticising others...

Edited by Ashfordian on Saturday 6th April 18:37

[Mortarboard]

Ashfordian said:

At some point in history people stopped believing the earth was flat. I wonder how long it will take remoaners to stop believing in the above work of fiction...

You'll have something to support your assertion that it's a work of fiction then, one presumes.

Been asking for 5 years now, seems long enough for the "brexit is working" crew to have come up with something, surely?



M.

[Deesee]

[Mortarboard]

Nice chart.

Now counter the fact that the UK would now be better off, had it not brexited.

"Rate of growth better than X" doesn't really say much, does it?

M.

[Ashfordian]

Mortarboard said:

Ashfordian said:

At some point in history people stopped believing the earth was flat. I wonder how long it will take remoaners to stop believing in the above work of fiction...

You'll have something to support your assertion that it's a work of fiction then, one presumes.

Been asking for 5 years now, seems long enough for the "brexit is working" crew to have come up with something, surely?



M.

I'll keep this simple for you as you have spent the last 5 years being unable to understand how guesses work.


1. There is no parallel economy running where the UK voted to remain to compare with, so it is at best a guess by them.

2. They were a country mile out with their predictions if we voted to leave and then leave the EU.

3. We have decades of history on these cowboys getting their forecasts wrong.

That is not the track record to trust any current or future predictions on.

But you keep on believing there are fairies at the bottom of the garden.

[don'tbesilly]

Deesee said:

Shocking isn’t it!

[Deesee]

Mortarboard said:

Nice chart.

Now counter the fact that the UK would now be better off, had it not brexited.

"Rate of growth better than X" doesn't really say much, does it?

M.

Well we would not have received the 100b bae AUKAS order, or the huge ongoing multi billion investments in car plants would we… the EU would have not allowed these investments and orders.

Or rates of growth will be more inline with the ROW G7 rather than the EU g7, in spite of leaving with a frankly unfavourable deal.

I’d counter that the EU had grown fat in our large net contribution pa.

The EU needs to revert to a free trade organisation rather than the bemoth of the EC that it has become.

Rate of growth is a good measure btw.. oh and the Brexit divorce bill is paid up to, so plenty more funds available to attract world wide investment over the coming years.