Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister

[AmitG]

Blue62 said:

S600BSB said:

The Times yesterday suggested that a no confidence vote after the locals was now nailed on. Likely though that Rishi, although damaged even further, will survive to limp on. Perfect!

If they turf him out it will be further proof that they’ve completely lost their compass. While Sunak is a poor and uninspiring politician, the whole party is in a mess and another leadership contest is not going to achieve anything, quite the opposite. I think they’re petrified by Reform Ltd, it’s quite funny really.

If they really do put in a no-confidence vote - which would be insane, but then the modern Conservative party has some form here - then I think the only option for Sunak is to call a general election straight away. Losing to the country is probably a better outcome for him than losing to the party.

[AmitG]

bhstewie said:

I doubt Mogg will lose from what I think I know of his constituency

If Reform split his vote, I could well imagine him losing.

[smn159]

AmitG said:

If they really do put in a no-confidence vote - which would be insane, but then the modern Conservative party has some form here - then I think the only option for Sunak is to call a general election straight away. Losing to the country is probably a better outcome for him than losing to the party.

He strikes me as someone who is there to do what the party tell him and not as a man of any great conviction. He's more likely to see out a leadership contest IMO.

[redrabbit]

smn159 said:

AmitG said:

If they really do put in a no-confidence vote - which would be insane, but then the modern Conservative party has some form here - then I think the only option for Sunak is to call a general election straight away. Losing to the country is probably a better outcome for him than losing to the party.

He strikes me as someone who is there to do what the party tell him and not as a man of any great conviction. He's more likely to see out a leadership contest IMO.

If it wasn't already a foregone conclusion a leadership challenge, even one that Sunak survives, guarantees defeat in the election, IMO. The only reason to mount a challenge is to trigger an earlier election, which might well be what the right wingers want at this stage. Any obvious provocateurs can present themselves as better candidates than Reform if they are worried about a split vote. They'd be more likely to keep their seats even as the party loses power, and have more time to plan their next career move. Just some thoughts...

[smn159]

redrabbit said:

smn159 said:

AmitG said:

If they really do put in a no-confidence vote - which would be insane, but then the modern Conservative party has some form here - then I think the only option for Sunak is to call a general election straight away. Losing to the country is probably a better outcome for him than losing to the party.

He strikes me as someone who is there to do what the party tell him and not as a man of any great conviction. He's more likely to see out a leadership contest IMO.

If it wasn't already a foregone conclusion a leadership challenge, even one that Sunak survives, guarantees defeat in the election, IMO. The only reason to mount a challenge is to trigger an earlier election, which might well be what the right wingers want at this stage. Any obvious provocateurs can present themselves as better candidates than Reform if they are worried about a split vote. They'd be more likely to keep their seats even as the party loses power, and have more time to plan their next career move. Just some thoughts...

Trying to 'out Reform' Reform may pick them up some votes but they will be at the expense of others. I guess that it depends on the constituency. Fully agree that Tory MPs will be thinking entirely about their own prospects rather than the party though

[carlo996]

bhstewie said:

I doubt Mogg will lose from what I think I know of his constituency

You're remarkably well informed huh?

[monkfish1]

smn159 said:

AmitG said:

If they really do put in a no-confidence vote - which would be insane, but then the modern Conservative party has some form here - then I think the only option for Sunak is to call a general election straight away. Losing to the country is probably a better outcome for him than losing to the party.

He strikes me as someone who is there to do what the party tell him and not as a man of any great conviction. He's more likely to see out a leadership contest IMO.

Conviction? On that score, just like his Boris and Starmer. Seems to be a theme.

[blueg33]

monkfish1 said:

smn159 said:

AmitG said:

If they really do put in a no-confidence vote - which would be insane, but then the modern Conservative party has some form here - then I think the only option for Sunak is to call a general election straight away. Losing to the country is probably a better outcome for him than losing to the party.

He strikes me as someone who is there to do what the party tell him and not as a man of any great conviction. He's more likely to see out a leadership contest IMO.

Conviction? On that score, just like his Boris and Starmer. Seems to be a theme.

Oh Boris had conviction. Conviction that he was King of the World, whereas in reality he should just have been convicted!

[KarlMac]

AmitG said:

Blue62 said:

S600BSB said:

The Times yesterday suggested that a no confidence vote after the locals was now nailed on. Likely though that Rishi, although damaged even further, will survive to limp on. Perfect!

If they turf him out it will be further proof that they’ve completely lost their compass. While Sunak is a poor and uninspiring politician, the whole party is in a mess and another leadership contest is not going to achieve anything, quite the opposite. I think they’re petrified by Reform Ltd, it’s quite funny really.

If they really do put in a no-confidence vote - which would be insane, but then the modern Conservative party has some form here - then I think the only option for Sunak is to call a general election straight away. Losing to the country is probably a better outcome for him than losing to the party.

All their usual tactics aren’t working and there’s no one left with the political skills to rescue them. Would be amazing to see the party wiped out and be 3rd/4th behind the Lib Dem’s and Reform because it’s situation completely of their own making. They were on top of the world in 2019

[768]

monkfish1 said:

Conviction? On that score, just like his Boris and Starmer. Seems to be a theme.

I think it's the nature of our political system, in which I include the media. It's too cutthroat for people to get to the top unless they're good at projecting an image of being all things to almost all people, which seems easier to do when you hold and express as few strong views as possible for risk of offending someone. Better to be silent than risk alienating anyone on any issue. Better still to quietly express support for both sides. Being competent, an effective leader, motivated to change things for the better, etc, just aren't characteristics that we're optimising for.

[julian987R]

He has to be gone tomorrow surely. At this point they can't win, but the possibility of winning a few more seats around has to be worth a roll of the dice.

[blueg33]

julian987R said:

He has to be gone tomorrow surely. At this point they can't win, but the possibility of winning a few more seats around has to be worth a roll of the dice.

Who could they put in that would get them more seats? I don’t see any cream on top, just a whole bottle that’s gone sour.

[S600BSB]

blueg33 said:

julian987R said:

He has to be gone tomorrow surely. At this point they can't win, but the possibility of winning a few more seats around has to be worth a roll of the dice.

Who could they put in that would get them more seats? I don’t see any cream on top, just a whole bottle that’s gone sour.

Got to find a way to get Boris back surely? Man is a born winner.

[blueg33]

S600BSB said:

blueg33 said:

julian987R said:

He has to be gone tomorrow surely. At this point they can't win, but the possibility of winning a few more seats around has to be worth a roll of the dice.

Who could they put in that would get them more seats? I don’t see any cream on top, just a whole bottle that’s gone sour.

Got to find a way to get Boris back surely? Man is a born winner.

Only in his mind and the minds of a few cultists

[smn159]

S600BSB said:

blueg33 said:

julian987R said:

He has to be gone tomorrow surely. At this point they can't win, but the possibility of winning a few more seats around has to be worth a roll of the dice.

Who could they put in that would get them more seats? I don’t see any cream on top, just a whole bottle that’s gone sour.

Got to find a way to get Boris back surely? Man is a born winner.

Only thing better would be the Johnson / Truss dream team

[S600BSB]

smn159 said:

S600BSB said:

blueg33 said:

julian987R said:

He has to be gone tomorrow surely. At this point they can't win, but the possibility of winning a few more seats around has to be worth a roll of the dice.

Who could they put in that would get them more seats? I don’t see any cream on top, just a whole bottle that’s gone sour.

Got to find a way to get Boris back surely? Man is a born winner.

Only thing better would be the Johnson / Truss dream team

With Cameron already signed up, what about seeing if May would get the leather trousers out for one final gig and get the whole Tory band back on the road - 14th year celebratory tour?

[S600BSB]

The Living Dead tour -

[Carl_VivaEspana]

Cameron/May/BJ: tax, spend, pension/NHS centric economy, mass immigration and no house building.

It reads like a Labour manifesto. Good enough to win then !

[President Merkin]

Except...

[bitchstewie]

"Hmm the public fking hate us they think we're a bunch of cruel heartless out of touch scumbags. What should we do to try and turn things around?"

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