Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

[Mrr T]

Ashfordian said:

Mortarboard said:

And yet there is nothing, zilch, nada, zero to support your flawed hypothesis.

Produce something to support your thinking, and we can discuss.

M.

You start by providing one of their economic predictions that has been correct, and thus discrediting my third point.

I know you won't waste your time on this as you won't be able to find one. You'll just bluster your way on, believing in the fairies for the another 5 years.

You do understand the difference between performance attribution and forecasting? I suspect not.

[Ashfordian]

mike9009 said:

What is your gut feel about how Brexit has impacted the UK economically? Positive or negative so far??

Overall, economically has been neutral. For some it has been a negative, for others it's been a positive, for many is hasn't changed. We have certainly well out performed the doomster predictions .They have egg on their face and refuse to admit they were wrong.

However, Brexit wasn't just economic. This myopic view is why remain lost, and why so many losers on this board continue to look so stupid with their bleating and crying.

[mike9009]

Ashfordian said:

mike9009 said:

What is your gut feel about how Brexit has impacted the UK economically? Positive or negative so far??

Overall, economically has been neutral. For some it has been a negative, for others it's been a positive, for many is hasn't changed. We have certainly well out performed the doomster predictions .They have egg on their face and refuse to admit they were wrong.

However, Brexit wasn't just economic. This myopic view is why remain lost, and why so many losers on this board continue to look so stupid with their bleating and crying.

So, as a winner, (congratulations btw) have you got everything from Brexit you wanted?

At least you engaged with the question. Do you think future decisions should have at least some directionally correct economic modelling or is it not worth bothering with? As a pure example, means testing pensions to pay more into the NHS care for the elderly? Would you check it out economically first before enacting? (Note the question is not about the policy but the methodology)

[nickfrog]

Ashfordian said:

However, Brexit wasn't just economic. This myopic view is why remain lost, and why so many losers on this board continue to look so stupid with their bleating and crying.

Not quite as stupid sounding as the flippant/unhinged tone that you convey though.

[Ashfordian]

mike9009 said:

So, as a winner, (congratulations btw) have you got everything from Brexit you wanted?

At least you engaged with the question. Do you think future decisions should have at least some directionally correct economic modelling or is it not worth bothering with? As a pure example, means testing pensions to pay more into the NHS care for the elderly? Would you check it out economically first before enacting? (Note the question is not about the policy but the methodology)

We've left the EU. That will pay dividends over the long term for us. However, I am very disappointed in the way politicians and the civil service worked to undermine Brexit happening. They have, with their actions, actively tried to damage the UK because of their ideology.

Using your example, would you take the modelling from Age Concern as your guide? Because that is the biased modelling/forecasting/group think/guessing that we have had in the case of Brexit. I think said organisations should be forced to publish how their employees voted so their bias is also public knowledge. We know they will be nowhere near representative of the electorate.

[crankedup5]

Mortarboard said:

crankedup5 said:

I don’t accept that at all, come back in six years time and see how the U.K. is flourishing.

How? What's in place since 2016 that's going to make the uk flourish?

Labour being in charge?

(Runs for cover)

M.

Labour have already announced that they will be seeking ‘closer ties’ with the EU. Come back at the end of their Parliament and we can see just how well the U.K. is doing.

[crankedup5]

mike9009 said:

DeejRC said:

Oh goody, the holiday classes, the sky is falling and the professionally outraged are whingeing about Brexit again.

Meanwhile those of us who actually deal with the Continent on a daily basis still go there, still work there, still export there and still import from there.

The sky hasn’t fallen. Biz has carried on. Life has carried on. Move on folks, it isn’t worth it.

....and so, in summary, what was the benefit of Brexit?

Blimey are you really asking the same question that has been covered countless times. Unremarkable.

[monthou]

Ashfordian said:

I think said organisations should be forced to publish how their employees voted so their bias is also public knowledge. We know they will be nowhere near representative of the electorate.

How would they know?
Bizarre.

[AW111]

monthou said:

Ashfordian said:

I think said organisations should be forced to publish how their employees voted so their bias is also public knowledge. We know they will be nowhere near representative of the electorate.

How would they know?
Bizarre.

Cameras with face recognition in every voting booth, obviously.

[monthou]

AW111 said:

monthou said:

Ashfordian said:

I think said organisations should be forced to publish how their employees voted so their bias is also public knowledge. We know they will be nowhere near representative of the electorate.

How would they know?
Bizarre.

Cameras with face recognition in every voting booth, obviously.

Must be.
You couldn't make it up.

[nickfrog]

Difficult to decipher the thought process on that one for me.

[mike9009]

crankedup5 said:

mike9009 said:

DeejRC said:

Oh goody, the holiday classes, the sky is falling and the professionally outraged are whingeing about Brexit again.

Meanwhile those of us who actually deal with the Continent on a daily basis still go there, still work there, still export there and still import from there.

The sky hasn’t fallen. Biz has carried on. Life has carried on. Move on folks, it isn’t worth it.

You are not selling it to me....


....and so, in summary, what was the benefit of Brexit?

Blimey are you really asking the same question that has been covered countless times. Unremarkable.

[Mortarboard]

crankedup5 said:

Mortarboard said:

crankedup5 said:

I don’t accept that at all, come back in six years time and see how the U.K. is flourishing.

How? What's in place since 2016 that's going to make the uk flourish?

Labour being in charge?

(Runs for cover)

M.

Labour have already announced that they will be seeking ‘closer ties’ with the EU. Come back at the end of their Parliament and we can see just how well the U.K. is doing.

But that's only a max of five years, how can you truly determine that's the reason?



M.

[Mortarboard]

Ashfordian said:

We've left the EU. That will pay dividends over the long term for us.

How? The "how" is the question.

Ashfordian said:

I am very disappointed in the way politicians and the civil service worked to undermine Brexit happening.

Ooh, do tell what they've undermined. Unless you hold "the government" as part of the Civil service....

M.

[Deesee]

The government certainly did not want to leave the EU, nor did the civil service, nor did either of these actually expect leave to have a majority which would result in leave. Even the EU thought it would never happen.

The contempt they have all shown for the referendum is akin to an act of self harm, and a total disregard for the result and the will of the people. KIV

The business people of this country need to take a big bow in delivering prosperity, work, growing, dealing with the COVId fallout & delivering record taxation, and budget surpluses.. regardless of the vote back in 2016.

With retrospect a ‘war cabinet’ should have been formed following the referendum, which ever side had the casting vote, for a time until article 50 was delivered (or not with remain) then a set time of consolidation afterwards.

Instead we have had inter and intra party fighting over A50 & MPs voting against the will and rule of the referendum.

As before I’m pro UK, not a brexiter, glad it’s over, and we are prosperous, growing, trading, working, we have an issue here that we have an underworking 45/60 age group, the main EU economic issue is a under 25 demographic that have never worked.

Nb..

Labour have their own left looney Gaza agenda.. they won’t last long..

Structural UK political party reform is needed, labour/cons are unable to represent me in the south east, and someone in the NE… regional parties, with MPs supporting genuine local agendas, fighting for investment proper jobs and proper start ups, Not toeing the whip.. actually working together to build prosperity across the UK. Real levelling up needs to happen.. and fast (after all we can deliver that now).

Rant over

[S600BSB]

crankedup5 said:

Labour have already announced that they will be seeking ‘closer ties’ with the EU. Come back at the end of their Parliament and we can see just how well the U.K. is doing.

Closer ties are a given, but if we are going to salvage something workable from Brexit then I hope key Labour front bench figures are already talking to the EU about what might be possible under a reworked deal. I’m sure they are.

[mike9009]

Ashfordian said:

mike9009 said:

So, as a winner, (congratulations btw) have you got everything from Brexit you wanted?

At least you engaged with the question. Do you think future decisions should have at least some directionally correct economic modelling or is it not worth bothering with? As a pure example, means testing pensions to pay more into the NHS care for the elderly? Would you check it out economically first before enacting? (Note the question is not about the policy but the methodology)

We've left the EU. That will pay dividends over the long term for us. However, I am very disappointed in the way politicians and the civil service worked to undermine Brexit happening. They have, with their actions, actively tried to damage the UK because of their ideology.

Thanks. How do you think Brexit might have looked without the meddling? Just smoother or more advantages.

[Deesee]

S600BSB said:

crankedup5 said:

Labour have already announced that they will be seeking ‘closer ties’ with the EU. Come back at the end of their Parliament and we can see just how well the U.K. is doing.

Closer ties are a given, but if we are going to salvage something workable from Brexit then I hope key Labour front bench figures are already talking to the EU about what might be possible under a reworked deal. I’m sure they are.

Let’s be fair, we still wanted to chuck in 20b per annum + 0.2% of vat just to stop freedom of movement..

What possible deal would be good for the UK?

We are better off not paying the 2% GNI and investing that in Scotland/Wales/NE/NW/SW/NI.

I’d rather 2% of 300 trillion pa be invested in our people (students/ retraining/ pensions) Rather than on obscene debts to fund Eastern Europe corruption.

[Killboy]

I see David Miliband has been saying the quiet (and obvious) stuff out loud. I guess he's just doesn't believe enough.

[Deesee]

Killboy said:

I see David Miliband has been saying the quiet (and obvious) stuff out loud. I guess he's just doesn't believe enough.

Is that the same David Miliband, whom flouced off to a 2m a year job, that’s paid for by UK foreign aid? & with Clegg wanted a soft Brexit?