Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
Discussion
Leroy902 said:
I do wonder what England will be like once the united kingdom is broken up, once Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland decide to go off on their own..
If such an unlikely event occured, England would become more crowded from all the economic refugees from the other components. And richer.kowalski655 said:
hidetheelephants said:
As soon as they could slash the PSBR by ~10%, set up a central bank, establish a credit line, create a new currency and a variety of other minutiae needed to meet the Copenhagen Criteria.
Will that be before or after they set up the administration required to actually run an independent country? e.g . Civil Service ( even though they couldn't take on a small part of the DWP without delay), tax, benefits (lots of them!), etcEdited by hidetheelephants on Wednesday 19th April 19:59
What is gripping scottish politics right now? It's some synthetic hysteria whipped up by the FM to distract from the fact the SNP are s
t at running the police, NHS, education, agriculture; most of the job of governing in fact. The so-called 'rape clause'(which is really the 'not punishing people financially for choosing to not abort children who are the issue of rape clause') is not even an argument about the morality of limiting child support as it's within the government's power to pay parents the difference; the government do not choose to do so, indicating they don't give any more of a st about children or parents, they just like making cynical use of infantile tabloid smears as a convenient distraction from their serial incompetence.Edited by hidetheelephants on Thursday 20th April 22:48
At a friends house this evening.
He handed me a letter from the Scottish Government, saying they are starting a consultation for unconventional shale gas drilling in the Central belt area.
God they act fast now they have the greens vote to attempt a failed indyref, they appear to be trying the shale gas.
He handed me a letter from the Scottish Government, saying they are starting a consultation for unconventional shale gas drilling in the Central belt area.
God they act fast now they have the greens vote to attempt a failed indyref, they appear to be trying the shale gas.
A.J.M said:
At a friends house this evening.
He handed me a letter from the Scottish Government, saying they are starting a consultation for unconventional shale gas drilling in the Central belt area.
God they act fast now they have the greens vote to attempt a failed indyref, they appear to be trying the shale gas.
Would love to see a copy of said letter if you could be so obliging.He handed me a letter from the Scottish Government, saying they are starting a consultation for unconventional shale gas drilling in the Central belt area.
God they act fast now they have the greens vote to attempt a failed indyref, they appear to be trying the shale gas.
tim0409 said:
I live in a constituency which voted 60-40 (No) in the Independence referendum and switched from Labour to SNP at the last election. The Conservatives did okay, but when the box totals were analysed it showed a lot of Tory support voted tactically for Labour to (attempt) to keep the SNP out. If they had all voted "properly" the Tories would have given the SNP a closer run.
I would be tempted to run as an Independent if I thought there was a chance of dislodging the current SNP `MP.....
i think a lot of independents up here will be surprised with their increase in popularity come this election.I would be tempted to run as an Independent if I thought there was a chance of dislodging the current SNP `MP.....
A.J.M said:
At a friends house this evening.
He handed me a letter from the Scottish Government, saying they are starting a consultation for unconventional shale gas drilling in the Central belt area.
That'll be the letter the Stirlingshire SNP group denied existed and wanted the local newspapers and Labour activists to stop talking about because it made them look bad.He handed me a letter from the Scottish Government, saying they are starting a consultation for unconventional shale gas drilling in the Central belt area.
r11co said:
A.J.M said:
At a friends house this evening.
He handed me a letter from the Scottish Government, saying they are starting a consultation for unconventional shale gas drilling in the Central belt area.
That'll be the letter the Stirlingshire SNP group denied existed and wanted the local newspapers and Labour activists to stop talking about because it made them look bad.He handed me a letter from the Scottish Government, saying they are starting a consultation for unconventional shale gas drilling in the Central belt area.
And she launches the SNP council manifesto, reported to have said the following (From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol... ):
characterising the contest as a "clear choice" between her party and the Tories.
She said every vote for her party in the poll would be "a vote against Tory austerity".
And she said SNP councillors would "always put their local communities first", saying they would work hard to invest in education, support local services, grow the economy and give "real power" to communities.
Policy pledges include more free childcare and new nurseries, £120m of direct funding for schools, more affordable housing and more funding going from councils to community groups.
Ms Sturgeon said Labour and the Lib Dems would "sell out for even the slightest suggestion of power", saying voting for them "risks seeing the Tories take over our town halls".
She said: "These elections decide who is responsible for running your local services and will determine whether we invest in services or allow the Tories to extend their cuts agenda into the heart of local communities.
"Councils make key decisions about all of our communities and it is essential that we elect strong SNP councils across the country.
"There are real and dangerous consequences if our vital local services fall into Tory hands.
"Every vote for the SNP on May 4th is a vote against Tory austerity, and a vote to protect vital services and jobs. All of our candidates are working hard every day to earn the trust of the people they want to represent and after the election will continue to work every day to retain it."
The SNP promise Scotland's salvation from evil, evil being everything that isn't SNP.
characterising the contest as a "clear choice" between her party and the Tories.
She said every vote for her party in the poll would be "a vote against Tory austerity".
And she said SNP councillors would "always put their local communities first", saying they would work hard to invest in education, support local services, grow the economy and give "real power" to communities.
Policy pledges include more free childcare and new nurseries, £120m of direct funding for schools, more affordable housing and more funding going from councils to community groups.
Ms Sturgeon said Labour and the Lib Dems would "sell out for even the slightest suggestion of power", saying voting for them "risks seeing the Tories take over our town halls".
She said: "These elections decide who is responsible for running your local services and will determine whether we invest in services or allow the Tories to extend their cuts agenda into the heart of local communities.
"Councils make key decisions about all of our communities and it is essential that we elect strong SNP councils across the country.
"There are real and dangerous consequences if our vital local services fall into Tory hands.
"Every vote for the SNP on May 4th is a vote against Tory austerity, and a vote to protect vital services and jobs. All of our candidates are working hard every day to earn the trust of the people they want to represent and after the election will continue to work every day to retain it."
The SNP promise Scotland's salvation from evil, evil being everything that isn't SNP.
sherbertdip said:
And she launches the SNP council manifesto, reported to have said the following (From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol... ):
characterising the contest as a "clear choice" between her party and the Tories.
She said every vote for her party in the poll would be "a vote against Tory austerity".
And she said SNP councillors would "always put their local communities first", saying they would work hard to invest in education, support local services, grow the economy and give "real power" to communities.
Policy pledges include more free childcare and new nurseries, £120m of direct funding for schools, more affordable housing and more funding going from councils to community groups.
Ms Sturgeon said Labour and the Lib Dems would "sell out for even the slightest suggestion of power", saying voting for them "risks seeing the Tories take over our town halls".
She said: "These elections decide who is responsible for running your local services and will determine whether we invest in services or allow the Tories to extend their cuts agenda into the heart of local communities.
"Councils make key decisions about all of our communities and it is essential that we elect strong SNP councils across the country.
"There are real and dangerous consequences if our vital local services fall into Tory hands.
"Every vote for the SNP on May 4th is a vote against Tory austerity, and a vote to protect vital services and jobs. All of our candidates are working hard every day to earn the trust of the people they want to represent and after the election will continue to work every day to retain it."
The SNP promise Scotland's salvation from evil, evil being everything that isn't SNP.
I wish politicians were made to hint/ summarise where the money would come from to pay for their big ideas characterising the contest as a "clear choice" between her party and the Tories.
She said every vote for her party in the poll would be "a vote against Tory austerity".
And she said SNP councillors would "always put their local communities first", saying they would work hard to invest in education, support local services, grow the economy and give "real power" to communities.
Policy pledges include more free childcare and new nurseries, £120m of direct funding for schools, more affordable housing and more funding going from councils to community groups.
Ms Sturgeon said Labour and the Lib Dems would "sell out for even the slightest suggestion of power", saying voting for them "risks seeing the Tories take over our town halls".
She said: "These elections decide who is responsible for running your local services and will determine whether we invest in services or allow the Tories to extend their cuts agenda into the heart of local communities.
"Councils make key decisions about all of our communities and it is essential that we elect strong SNP councils across the country.
"There are real and dangerous consequences if our vital local services fall into Tory hands.
"Every vote for the SNP on May 4th is a vote against Tory austerity, and a vote to protect vital services and jobs. All of our candidates are working hard every day to earn the trust of the people they want to represent and after the election will continue to work every day to retain it."
The SNP promise Scotland's salvation from evil, evil being everything that isn't SNP.
We had some Labour campaigners visit us this afternoon regarding the upcoming council elections.
My Wife answered the door, (I was busy importing money on a conference call to my client in the North America, so wasn't able to engage.), and they urged her to vote Labour as a 'tactical vote' to oust the SNP.
Why can't they just make themselves plausible to draw the vote rather than rely on tactical voting?
That's a sad state of affairs!
I'll be voting for the party I believe in.
My Wife answered the door, (I was busy importing money on a conference call to my client in the North America, so wasn't able to engage.), and they urged her to vote Labour as a 'tactical vote' to oust the SNP.
Why can't they just make themselves plausible to draw the vote rather than rely on tactical voting?
That's a sad state of affairs!
I'll be voting for the party I believe in.
Edited by Big Rod on Saturday 22 April 00:18
Big Rod said:
I'll be voting for the party I believe in.
If you believe the chat you get from people soliciting your vote at local elections when they promise anything beyond being on the end of a phone or email when you've got a problem with the council you're a mug. Party politics is a drag on council functionality as too often the party candidates are treading water until they're eligible to stand as an MEP, MSP or MP; at least you can be reasonably sure an independent isn't interested in doing anything beyond being on the council. The party hacks on my council are drones there for their own benefit.Big Rod said:
We had some Labour campaigners visit us this afternoon regarding the upcoming council elections.
My Wife answered the door, (I was busy importing money on a conference call to my client in the North America, so wasn't able to engage.), and they urged her to vote Labour as a 'tactical vote' to oust the SNP.
Why can't they just make themselves plausible to draw the vote rather than rely on tactical voting?
That's a sad state of affairs!
I'll be voting for the party I believe in.
They tried that at the elections for the Scottish parliament and got hammered, if you remember. Kezia Dugale decided people were over the indyref and it was time to focus on boribg issues like healthcare and education.My Wife answered the door, (I was busy importing money on a conference call to my client in the North America, so wasn't able to engage.), and they urged her to vote Labour as a 'tactical vote' to oust the SNP.
Why can't they just make themselves plausible to draw the vote rather than rely on tactical voting?
That's a sad state of affairs!
I'll be voting for the party I believe in.
Edited by Big Rod on Saturday 22 April 00:18
The Tories stood on a Not-SNP ticket and profited. Compare-
Labour:
Http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-scotland-3...
Conservatives:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-scotland-3...
The only thing positive about the SNP manivesto is it can be read in 4 seconds.
1. independence
The only thing labour are saying that seems plausable is making big corporations pay the correct tax. As a small company director i paid more corp tax than facebook did last year. I understand its all within the law and correct but the laws are wrong.
Will prob be voting conservitive, wont mention it to my SNP friends as it normally results in a night of arguing with a wall.
1. independence
The only thing labour are saying that seems plausable is making big corporations pay the correct tax. As a small company director i paid more corp tax than facebook did last year. I understand its all within the law and correct but the laws are wrong.
Will prob be voting conservitive, wont mention it to my SNP friends as it normally results in a night of arguing with a wall.
sherbertdip said:
And she launches the SNP council manifesto, reported to have said the following (From http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol... ):
characterising the contest as a "clear choice" between her party and the Tories.
She said every vote for her party in the poll would be "a vote against Tory austerity".
And she said SNP councillors would "always put their local communities first", saying they would work hard to invest in education, support local services, grow the economy and give "real power" to communities.
Policy pledges include more free childcare and new nurseries, £120m of direct funding for schools, more affordable housing and more funding going from councils to community groups.
Ms Sturgeon said Labour and the Lib Dems would "sell out for even the slightest suggestion of power", saying voting for them "risks seeing the Tories take over our town halls".
She said: "These elections decide who is responsible for running your local services and will determine whether we invest in services or allow the Tories to extend their cuts agenda into the heart of local communities.
"Councils make key decisions about all of our communities and it is essential that we elect strong SNP councils across the country.
"There are real and dangerous consequences if our vital local services fall into Tory hands.
"Every vote for the SNP on May 4th is a vote against Tory austerity, and a vote to protect vital services and jobs. All of our candidates are working hard every day to earn the trust of the people they want to represent and after the election will continue to work every day to retain it."
The SNP promise Scotland's salvation from evil, evil being everything that isn't SNP.
It's the usual political posturing that all parties do, no more, no less. However, the people of Scotland have now experienced just what the SNP actually does in practice. If they vote the SNP into power then one can only draw the conclusion that the Scots are happy with the way the SNP run things at a local level.characterising the contest as a "clear choice" between her party and the Tories.
She said every vote for her party in the poll would be "a vote against Tory austerity".
And she said SNP councillors would "always put their local communities first", saying they would work hard to invest in education, support local services, grow the economy and give "real power" to communities.
Policy pledges include more free childcare and new nurseries, £120m of direct funding for schools, more affordable housing and more funding going from councils to community groups.
Ms Sturgeon said Labour and the Lib Dems would "sell out for even the slightest suggestion of power", saying voting for them "risks seeing the Tories take over our town halls".
She said: "These elections decide who is responsible for running your local services and will determine whether we invest in services or allow the Tories to extend their cuts agenda into the heart of local communities.
"Councils make key decisions about all of our communities and it is essential that we elect strong SNP councils across the country.
"There are real and dangerous consequences if our vital local services fall into Tory hands.
"Every vote for the SNP on May 4th is a vote against Tory austerity, and a vote to protect vital services and jobs. All of our candidates are working hard every day to earn the trust of the people they want to represent and after the election will continue to work every day to retain it."
The SNP promise Scotland's salvation from evil, evil being everything that isn't SNP.
Reading through this entire topic it would appear that on this site the SNP are "unpopular" shall we say, by my own observations in talking to many Scots from all walks of life on a daily basis it would also appear that the general consensus is that most of them have had enough, which makes me wonder... Is this really the case?, and is the SNP going to have the biggest shock shortly?.
dro said:
said: is the SNP going to have the biggest shock shortly?.
Probably not. I'm hearing the same as you but I fear the 'nawbags' are too thinly spread to make a huge difference.The big population centres are full of dafties who still believe in the land of SNP milk and honey. I think they'll lose seats but it'll be single figures.
Having said that, some seats lost, some reduced majorities and a half decent Labour leader to come and hopefully we've seen the worst of it.
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