Marcus Rashford - School Meals Vouchers Campaign
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Have to say that video seems a bit desperate.
I'm sure it isn't Rashford pinging out every tweet but the idea he's somehow being controlled or told what to do is a bit odd.
Exactly. Marcus Rashford has someone to help with his social media stuff. Of course he does; who cares? Who cares other than someone who doesn't like lefties and just doesn't like the things he stands up for. I'm sure it isn't Rashford pinging out every tweet but the idea he's somehow being controlled or told what to do is a bit odd.
jdw100 said:
How is wanting to feed kids leftie?
Should be neutral.
Right: if the parents refuse to work hard, or can't get enough money by working hard, and can't make ends meet, then why should more hard working, previllaged people pay more tax to help them buy cigarettes, beer and scratch cards. They should work harder if thier kids are hungry.Should be neutral.
Left: if children are hungry they won't perform well in school. If they did perform.well in school, we could break the cycle, and there would be social mobility, and they could make something of themselves and contribute to society. And pay tax, to help.fund society in future.
Christians: we should pray that those in charge, do the right thing, but whilst we await that miracle, we are going to run a food bank in the church hall, and are looking for volunteers.
Have I got it correct ? I'm seeing this from my white middle class, educated, but slightly left of centre Christian upbringing.
jdw100 said:
How is wanting to feed kids leftie?
Should be neutral.
Well it isn't is it.Should be neutral.
People see a lad doing well and holding the Government they support to account so assume it's a right/left thing rather than basic decency.
If Johnson had come out right off the bat and said he was extending free school meals pound to a penny many of them would have been lauding him for responding in the face of a pandemic.
They just don't like that he was shamed into it.
Twice.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Well it isn't is it.
People see a lad doing well and holding the Government they support to account so assume it's a right/left thing rather than basic decency.
If Johnson had come out right off the bat and said he was extending free school meals pound to a penny many of them would have been lauding him for responding in the face of a pandemic.
They just don't like that he was shamed into it.
Twice.
Boris doesn’t have ANY shame. He just jumps onto any passing bandwagon.People see a lad doing well and holding the Government they support to account so assume it's a right/left thing rather than basic decency.
If Johnson had come out right off the bat and said he was extending free school meals pound to a penny many of them would have been lauding him for responding in the face of a pandemic.
They just don't like that he was shamed into it.
Twice.
jdw100 said:
Randy Winkman said:
Exactly. Marcus Rashford has someone to help with his social media stuff. Of course he does; who cares? Who cares other than someone who doesn't like lefties and just doesn't like the things he stands up for.
How is wanting to feed kids leftie?Should be neutral.
HappyClappy said:
If only he took penalties as well as he could virtue signal.
It wouldn’t make any difference. The Gammonistas would find something else to criticise.It’s a bit like all the abuse that was directed at those “taking a knee”. The fact that the England team got through to the finals must have been so painful for them to watch, so now they have to find something else to “criticise”.
jdw100 said:
Randy Winkman said:
Exactly. Marcus Rashford has someone to help with his social media stuff. Of course he does; who cares? Who cares other than someone who doesn't like lefties and just doesn't like the things he stands up for.
How is wanting to feed kids leftie?Should be neutral.
It’s easy to be on the left, because without any critical thinking all left wing policies appear “nice” but they are superficially “nice”. They cause unintended consequences which in the long run cause far bigger problems.
For example your statement “How can anyone not want to feed kiddies?” No one can argue with that. But that’s not a solution. It’s simply stating the “bleeding obvious”.
No one on the left or right wants to see kiddies go hungry. If you honestly think politically right minded people don’t care then that says far more about your own prejudices.
Parents should be responsible for feeding their children. And the current system is already in place to remove children from parents that neglect their basic responsibilities.
If you hand the responsibility of feeding children over to the state you simply create more demand for that “free” service and create a bigger problem.
We now have an online delivery service provided by supermarkets that wasn’t available 15 years ago. Instead of handing out all benefits in cash why not use a proportion to deliver set meal plans with the necessary ingredients to families in need and give them the tools to learn to cook?
Of course some families are so dysfunctional that will never work but that’s where social services step in and remove the kids.
I would like to see children at the end of their secondary school education being taught how to cook ten basic meals. They should not be able to leave school without passing this course.
Just throwing more tax payers money at a problem and shouting “tories are scum,they want children to starve” is childish and a refusal to entertain better long term, sustainable solutions.
OldAndTired said:
The left thinks the state should be responsible for almost everything. The right believes in personal responsibility.
It’s easy to be on the left, because without any critical thinking all left wing policies appear “nice” but they are superficially “nice”. They cause unintended consequences which in the long run cause far bigger problems.
For example your statement “How can anyone not want to feed kiddies?” No one can argue with that. But that’s not a solution. It’s simply stating the “bleeding obvious”.
No one on the left or right wants to see kiddies go hungry. If you honestly think politically right minded people don’t care then that says far more about your own prejudices.
Parents should be responsible for feeding their children. And the current system is already in place to remove children from parents that neglect their basic responsibilities.
If you hand the responsibility of feeding children over to the state you simply create more demand for that “free” service and create a bigger problem.
We now have an online delivery service provided by supermarkets that wasn’t available 15 years ago. Instead of handing out all benefits in cash why not use a proportion to deliver set meal plans with the necessary ingredients to families in need and give them the tools to learn to cook?
Of course some families are so dysfunctional that will never work but that’s where social services step in and remove the kids.
I would like to see children at the end of their secondary school education being taught how to cook ten basic meals. They should not be able to leave school without passing this course.
Just throwing more tax payers money at a problem and shouting “tories are scum,they want children to starve” is childish and a refusal to entertain better long term, sustainable solutions.
Yes it is an argument for pouring more money into a sieve on the basis that this time it will be different and the increased benefits MUST be spent on the kids, rather than frittered away on booze, fags etc like much of the previous benefits provided for this purpose were. It’s easy to be on the left, because without any critical thinking all left wing policies appear “nice” but they are superficially “nice”. They cause unintended consequences which in the long run cause far bigger problems.
For example your statement “How can anyone not want to feed kiddies?” No one can argue with that. But that’s not a solution. It’s simply stating the “bleeding obvious”.
No one on the left or right wants to see kiddies go hungry. If you honestly think politically right minded people don’t care then that says far more about your own prejudices.
Parents should be responsible for feeding their children. And the current system is already in place to remove children from parents that neglect their basic responsibilities.
If you hand the responsibility of feeding children over to the state you simply create more demand for that “free” service and create a bigger problem.
We now have an online delivery service provided by supermarkets that wasn’t available 15 years ago. Instead of handing out all benefits in cash why not use a proportion to deliver set meal plans with the necessary ingredients to families in need and give them the tools to learn to cook?
Of course some families are so dysfunctional that will never work but that’s where social services step in and remove the kids.
I would like to see children at the end of their secondary school education being taught how to cook ten basic meals. They should not be able to leave school without passing this course.
Just throwing more tax payers money at a problem and shouting “tories are scum,they want children to starve” is childish and a refusal to entertain better long term, sustainable solutions.
Just in regard to the comment on taking children into care. Children in care also have very poor outcomes. So the focus has to be on supporting dysfunctional families and only using care as a last resort. Perhaps longer term we will move away from cash benefits for families that are incapable of spending it for the intended purpose in favour of simply providing the relevant good or service directly to the needy child. At least then we would be spared constant accusations of "wanting to see children starve" when we quibble about sending ever more money to people who misspent much of the previous benefits they received.
Very strange response.
Marcus’ solution is to demand the state (taxpayers) to take responsibility for feeding kids. A left wing idea.
Right wing thinkers want a more “personal responsibility solution” with a safety net for the absolute most vulnerable.
Neither of them want to see “kiddies starve”.
But don’t address that just try to nit pick a point. It is universally accepted that people on the left would rather have a large state - policies such as nationalisation an example.
Marcus’ solution is to demand the state (taxpayers) to take responsibility for feeding kids. A left wing idea.
Right wing thinkers want a more “personal responsibility solution” with a safety net for the absolute most vulnerable.
Neither of them want to see “kiddies starve”.
But don’t address that just try to nit pick a point. It is universally accepted that people on the left would rather have a large state - policies such as nationalisation an example.
OldAndTired said:
Very strange response.
Marcus’ solution is to demand the state (taxpayers) to take responsibility for feeding kids. A left wing idea.
Right wing thinkers want a more “personal responsibility solution” with a safety net for the absolute most vulnerable.
Neither of them want to see “kiddies starve”.
But don’t address that just try to nit pick a point. It is universally accepted that people on the left would rather have a large state - policies such as nationalisation an example.
I live somewhere with a nationalised petrol company. Marcus’ solution is to demand the state (taxpayers) to take responsibility for feeding kids. A left wing idea.
Right wing thinkers want a more “personal responsibility solution” with a safety net for the absolute most vulnerable.
Neither of them want to see “kiddies starve”.
But don’t address that just try to nit pick a point. It is universally accepted that people on the left would rather have a large state - policies such as nationalisation an example.
They dropped prices last year - for several reasons. Partly to help people out.
Pretty much the same price country wide. No more expensive on a highway than in a small town.
How’s things with petrol in UK at present? All good?
Lower prices to help the economy? Any other news?
(Not a very serious response people, no need to get wound up)
OldAndTired said:
The left thinks the state should be responsible for almost everything. The right believes in personal responsibility.
It’s easy to be on the left, because without any critical thinking all left wing policies appear “nice” but they are superficially “nice”. They cause unintended consequences which in the long run cause far bigger problems.
For example your statement “How can anyone not want to feed kiddies?” No one can argue with that. But that’s not a solution. It’s simply stating the “bleeding obvious”.
No one on the left or right wants to see kiddies go hungry. If you honestly think politically right minded people don’t care then that says far more about your own prejudices.
Parents should be responsible for feeding their children. And the current system is already in place to remove children from parents that neglect their basic responsibilities.
If you hand the responsibility of feeding children over to the state you simply create more demand for that “free” service and create a bigger problem.
We now have an online delivery service provided by supermarkets that wasn’t available 15 years ago. Instead of handing out all benefits in cash why not use a proportion to deliver set meal plans with the necessary ingredients to families in need and give them the tools to learn to cook?
Of course some families are so dysfunctional that will never work but that’s where social services step in and remove the kids.
I would like to see children at the end of their secondary school education being taught how to cook ten basic meals. They should not be able to leave school without passing this course.
Just throwing more tax payers money at a problem and shouting “tories are scum,they want children to starve” is childish and a refusal to entertain better long term, sustainable solutions.
Have you met many people that have been through the care system ?It’s easy to be on the left, because without any critical thinking all left wing policies appear “nice” but they are superficially “nice”. They cause unintended consequences which in the long run cause far bigger problems.
For example your statement “How can anyone not want to feed kiddies?” No one can argue with that. But that’s not a solution. It’s simply stating the “bleeding obvious”.
No one on the left or right wants to see kiddies go hungry. If you honestly think politically right minded people don’t care then that says far more about your own prejudices.
Parents should be responsible for feeding their children. And the current system is already in place to remove children from parents that neglect their basic responsibilities.
If you hand the responsibility of feeding children over to the state you simply create more demand for that “free” service and create a bigger problem.
We now have an online delivery service provided by supermarkets that wasn’t available 15 years ago. Instead of handing out all benefits in cash why not use a proportion to deliver set meal plans with the necessary ingredients to families in need and give them the tools to learn to cook?
Of course some families are so dysfunctional that will never work but that’s where social services step in and remove the kids.
I would like to see children at the end of their secondary school education being taught how to cook ten basic meals. They should not be able to leave school without passing this course.
Just throwing more tax payers money at a problem and shouting “tories are scum,they want children to starve” is childish and a refusal to entertain better long term, sustainable solutions.
Its bloody awful. Shocking.
Mate used to work with kids coming out of it in London for many years. The stories…abuse..drug/alcohol issues…foster parents keeping allowances and starving/beating children.
Its broken. Social care is broken. Benefit system, prison system, immigration/asylum all not fit for purpose.
I’m not saying grrrrrr tories bad.
…but if we are even discussing giving kids a decent breakfast in a very wealthy country…its a f
king disgrace.The fact that a young man is raising awareness of this issue is both highly commendable and disgraceful at the same time.
Everybody should be hanging heads in shame, from every party or ideology.
How much time spent on expenses scandal in last 10 years and how much coverage and debate of children going hungry.
Yes, I have no answers because I don’t know how the systems work, But if we had systems in a company leaking this much money and giving such poor outcomes….I doubt it would be a collective shrug and then quickly on to other subjects.
Its just a vicious circle - you can’t have this situation happening and then expect to produce model hard working citizens.
Yes, we all know one person who was brought up like this and went on to work for KPMG…that’s a lovely anecdote.
Its grrrrrrr tories bad. Grrrrrrrr labour bad. Grrrrrrr civil service bad. Grrrrrrr. 90% of the population bad…..
I like you food delivery idea, just not to homes: for reasons you mention. Maybe to schools or other centres?
Edited by jdw100 on Monday 4th October 03:13
jdw100 said:
768 said:
jdw100 said:
How is wanting the state to feed kids leftie?
Should be neutral.
HTH.Should be neutral.
Let those kids go hungry I say. That’ll learn ‘em!
Sweet, I'll knock some more out until I get a footballer.
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