Public emergency alert - being sent to your phone
Discussion
turbobloke said:
Catastrophic Poo said:
turbobloke said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: It's not the same system.
It's email alerts and you have to deliberately sign up for them.
It's AN alert system not THE alert system? That wasn't in the news item, thanks for the info.It's email alerts and you have to deliberately sign up for them.
Nudge is nudge.
To be clear, you want to be led by the hand down a costly dead end?
turbobloke said:
tangerine_sedge said:
turbobloke said:
A local radio news item from earlier today noted that the emergency alert system will be used by Mystic Met this summer to warn us of summery weather. What a shock that isn't.
There are worse times of year. Cold and severe cold kill nearly 20x more globally than warm weather and heatwaves. The data also show that mild heat plus mild cold kill substantially more people than extreme heat plus extreme cold. This is heresy as it clearly shows extreme weather is nowhere near as dangerous as claimed, and in particular, heat. This is about nudges from UKMO to 'help' us swallow and follow orthodox doctrine. I appreciate some will look the other way.
The coming winter sounds
like it'll be a noisy affair as the promised warm wet winters are nowhere and even mild cold is bad news.
Data
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630
Doctrine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65769165
Grrrrrr! Clouds!There are worse times of year. Cold and severe cold kill nearly 20x more globally than warm weather and heatwaves. The data also show that mild heat plus mild cold kill substantially more people than extreme heat plus extreme cold. This is heresy as it clearly shows extreme weather is nowhere near as dangerous as claimed, and in particular, heat. This is about nudges from UKMO to 'help' us swallow and follow orthodox doctrine. I appreciate some will look the other way.
The coming winter sounds
like it'll be a noisy affair as the promised warm wet winters are nowhere and even mild cold is bad news. Data
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/627630
Doctrine
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65769165
Where's the research data to counter? You have none available, you have nothing. Bar faith, presumably.
Edited by turbobloke on Friday 2nd June 08:28
I stand by my original 'Grrrr clouds' summary.
Some blinkered takeaways are evident, unlike the lack of objective evidence (empirical data) for scaremongering to cement existing belief in dogma via alert nudges. Any alert.
Dogma which is baselessly causing mental health problems for young people and wasting £billions (UK only).
Still, I'll complain to the local radio station, that's the important thing here.
Dogma which is baselessly causing mental health problems for young people and wasting £billions (UK only).
Still, I'll complain to the local radio station, that's the important thing here.
turbobloke said:
Some blinkered takeaways are evident, unlike the lack of objective evidence (empirical data) for scaremongering to cement existing belief in dogma via alert nudges. Any alert.
Dogma which is baselessly causing mental health problems for young people and wasting £billions (UK only).
Still, I'll complain to the local radio station, that's the important thing here.
Blinkered takeaways like assuming it's all behavioural nudges?Dogma which is baselessly causing mental health problems for young people and wasting £billions (UK only).
Still, I'll complain to the local radio station, that's the important thing here.
Lacking objective evidence like erroneously linking this voluntary alert targeted at helping the elderly to the national alert system?
Dogma, like climate change denial?
5 mins or full half-hour?
We already had an emergency alert system (Wartime Broadcasting Service) to keep us all informed before and after a nuclear strike or other major attack.
The detailed nature of this and its current status is unknown to UK citizens, as it's now outside the public domain, with details reportedly held exclusively by unnamed government officials and (the funny bit) by BBC executives.
Given the estimated max notice of 30 mins and the upcoming EMP, then whatever it is, it'll be as useful as either the mobile alerts or UKMO's emails. The actual usefulness deriving from keeping the populace alarmed and scared enough to think politicians have any answers. They rarely know the right questions.
As far as the new type Mystic Met alerts this summer, we've had nothing as extreme or extensive since the 1975-1976 heatwaves, when some PHers wouldn't be born, with decreasing extreme weather. Up to 2021 UKMO data shows that weather is not becoming more extreme in terms of heatwaves, rainfall or droughts. The only significant (and still slight) increase is in precipitation as noted for Scotland, not extreme at all. Globally, deaths per year due to climate/weather related causes plummeted between 1900 and 2010, despite higher population densities and more homes / workplaces / infrastructure in coastal and flood prone areas as well as better reporting; see Goklany "Deaths and Death Rates from Extreme Weather Events 1900-2010" in JoAPS 14 (4) 102-109.
We already had an emergency alert system (Wartime Broadcasting Service) to keep us all informed before and after a nuclear strike or other major attack.
The detailed nature of this and its current status is unknown to UK citizens, as it's now outside the public domain, with details reportedly held exclusively by unnamed government officials and (the funny bit) by BBC executives.
Given the estimated max notice of 30 mins and the upcoming EMP, then whatever it is, it'll be as useful as either the mobile alerts or UKMO's emails. The actual usefulness deriving from keeping the populace alarmed and scared enough to think politicians have any answers. They rarely know the right questions.
As far as the new type Mystic Met alerts this summer, we've had nothing as extreme or extensive since the 1975-1976 heatwaves, when some PHers wouldn't be born, with decreasing extreme weather. Up to 2021 UKMO data shows that weather is not becoming more extreme in terms of heatwaves, rainfall or droughts. The only significant (and still slight) increase is in precipitation as noted for Scotland, not extreme at all. Globally, deaths per year due to climate/weather related causes plummeted between 1900 and 2010, despite higher population densities and more homes / workplaces / infrastructure in coastal and flood prone areas as well as better reporting; see Goklany "Deaths and Death Rates from Extreme Weather Events 1900-2010" in JoAPS 14 (4) 102-109.
turbobloke said:
5 mins or full half-hour?
We already had an emergency alert system (Wartime Broadcasting Service) to keep us all informed before and after a nuclear strike or other major attack.
The detailed nature of this and its current status is unknown to UK citizens, as it's now outside the public domain, with details reportedly held exclusively by unnamed government officials and (the funny bit) by BBC executives.
Given the estimated max notice of 30 mins and the upcoming EMP, then whatever it is, it'll be as useful as either the mobile alerts or UKMO's emails. The actual usefulness deriving from keeping the populace alarmed and scared enough to think politicians have any answers. They rarely know the right questions.
As far as the new type Mystic Met alerts this summer, we've had nothing as extreme or extensive since the 1975-1976 heatwaves, when some PHers wouldn't be born, with decreasing extreme weather. Up to 2021 UKMO data shows that weather is not becoming more extreme in terms of heatwaves, rainfall or droughts. The only significant (and still slight) increase is in precipitation as noted for Scotland, not extreme at all. Globally, deaths per year due to climate/weather related causes plummeted between 1900 and 2010, despite higher population densities and more homes / workplaces / infrastructure in coastal and flood prone areas as well as better reporting; see Goklany "Deaths and Death Rates from Extreme Weather Events 1900-2010" in JoAPS 14 (4) 102-109.
Absolutely none of this post relates to the topic of the thread.We already had an emergency alert system (Wartime Broadcasting Service) to keep us all informed before and after a nuclear strike or other major attack.
The detailed nature of this and its current status is unknown to UK citizens, as it's now outside the public domain, with details reportedly held exclusively by unnamed government officials and (the funny bit) by BBC executives.
Given the estimated max notice of 30 mins and the upcoming EMP, then whatever it is, it'll be as useful as either the mobile alerts or UKMO's emails. The actual usefulness deriving from keeping the populace alarmed and scared enough to think politicians have any answers. They rarely know the right questions.
As far as the new type Mystic Met alerts this summer, we've had nothing as extreme or extensive since the 1975-1976 heatwaves, when some PHers wouldn't be born, with decreasing extreme weather. Up to 2021 UKMO data shows that weather is not becoming more extreme in terms of heatwaves, rainfall or droughts. The only significant (and still slight) increase is in precipitation as noted for Scotland, not extreme at all. Globally, deaths per year due to climate/weather related causes plummeted between 1900 and 2010, despite higher population densities and more homes / workplaces / infrastructure in coastal and flood prone areas as well as better reporting; see Goklany "Deaths and Death Rates from Extreme Weather Events 1900-2010" in JoAPS 14 (4) 102-109.
There is no suggestion that the public emergency alert system will be used for climate type warnings (it could be for some life threatening weather warnings such as tornados or thunderstorms, but even that's not proven).
No mention of nuclear attack warnings.
Nor does it have anything to do with the BBC, or your constant desire to write war and peace regarding climate data - there are enough threads for that.
Sway said:
turbobloke said:
5 mins or full half-hour?
We already had an emergency alert system (Wartime Broadcasting Service) to keep us all informed before and after a nuclear strike or other major attack.
The detailed nature of this and its current status is unknown to UK citizens, as it's now outside the public domain, with details reportedly held exclusively by unnamed government officials and (the funny bit) by BBC executives.
Given the estimated max notice of 30 mins and the upcoming EMP, then whatever it is, it'll be as useful as either the mobile alerts or UKMO's emails. The actual usefulness deriving from keeping the populace alarmed and scared enough to think politicians have any answers. They rarely know the right questions.
As far as the new type Mystic Met alerts this summer, we've had nothing as extreme or extensive since the 1975-1976 heatwaves, when some PHers wouldn't be born, with decreasing extreme weather. Up to 2021 UKMO data shows that weather is not becoming more extreme in terms of heatwaves, rainfall or droughts. The only significant (and still slight) increase is in precipitation as noted for Scotland, not extreme at all. Globally, deaths per year due to climate/weather related causes plummeted between 1900 and 2010, despite higher population densities and more homes / workplaces / infrastructure in coastal and flood prone areas as well as better reporting; see Goklany "Deaths and Death Rates from Extreme Weather Events 1900-2010" in JoAPS 14 (4) 102-109.
Absolutely none of this post relates to the topic of the thread.We already had an emergency alert system (Wartime Broadcasting Service) to keep us all informed before and after a nuclear strike or other major attack.
The detailed nature of this and its current status is unknown to UK citizens, as it's now outside the public domain, with details reportedly held exclusively by unnamed government officials and (the funny bit) by BBC executives.
Given the estimated max notice of 30 mins and the upcoming EMP, then whatever it is, it'll be as useful as either the mobile alerts or UKMO's emails. The actual usefulness deriving from keeping the populace alarmed and scared enough to think politicians have any answers. They rarely know the right questions.
As far as the new type Mystic Met alerts this summer, we've had nothing as extreme or extensive since the 1975-1976 heatwaves, when some PHers wouldn't be born, with decreasing extreme weather. Up to 2021 UKMO data shows that weather is not becoming more extreme in terms of heatwaves, rainfall or droughts. The only significant (and still slight) increase is in precipitation as noted for Scotland, not extreme at all. Globally, deaths per year due to climate/weather related causes plummeted between 1900 and 2010, despite higher population densities and more homes / workplaces / infrastructure in coastal and flood prone areas as well as better reporting; see Goklany "Deaths and Death Rates from Extreme Weather Events 1900-2010" in JoAPS 14 (4) 102-109.
There is no suggestion that the public emergency alert system will be used for climate type warnings (it could be for some life threatening weather warnings such as tornados or thunderstorms, but even that's not proven).
No mention of nuclear attack warnings.
Nor does it have anything to do with the BBC, or your constant desire to write war and peace regarding climate data - there are enough threads for that.
Catastrophic Poo said:
Sometimes it’s good to admit you got the wrong end of the stick.
Never! This is the internet so it’s simply not an option to admit to stepping on one’s own cock in front of everyone. Must double down, desperately divert, regardless of how much more of a plonker it makes me look. Flounce incoming!
To be fair it’ll cost billions £ to do and do duck all, so on that basis…
I used to live near a floody river.
I had all the alerts (phone, text, email) as when it was getting high it could’ve required lots of furniture moving etc
They then changed the threshold right down from ‘loads of houses might flood’ to ‘the bowling green will get wet’ levels, and suddenly it was alerts every other week and the alerts were then turned off.
Alerts, by definition, need to be an alert. You need to pay attention and feel a need to take action and it have paid off.
Alert fatigue will ultimately make everyone ignore alerts.
I used to live near a floody river.
I had all the alerts (phone, text, email) as when it was getting high it could’ve required lots of furniture moving etc
They then changed the threshold right down from ‘loads of houses might flood’ to ‘the bowling green will get wet’ levels, and suddenly it was alerts every other week and the alerts were then turned off.
Alerts, by definition, need to be an alert. You need to pay attention and feel a need to take action and it have paid off.
Alert fatigue will ultimately make everyone ignore alerts.
Everyone been inundated by alerts due to this hot weather? A number here were saying we would be - have I missed out?
Perhaps it’s because I’m in Quebec at the moment. I did get an alert the other day saying that a 1 year old had been abducted locally. Gave the name of the child and the abductor and details of their car. Seemed like quite a good idea to put people on the look-out. Perhaps those right-wing libertarians who tremble at the very idea of ‘society’ would rather not know about these things?
Perhaps it’s because I’m in Quebec at the moment. I did get an alert the other day saying that a 1 year old had been abducted locally. Gave the name of the child and the abductor and details of their car. Seemed like quite a good idea to put people on the look-out. Perhaps those right-wing libertarians who tremble at the very idea of ‘society’ would rather not know about these things?
Roman Rhodes said:
Everyone been inundated by alerts due to this hot weather? A number here were saying we would be - have I missed out?
Perhaps it’s because I’m in Quebec at the moment. I did get an alert the other day saying that a 1 year old had been abducted locally. Gave the name of the child and the abductor and details of their car. Seemed like quite a good idea to put people on the look-out. Perhaps those right-wing libertarians who tremble at the very idea of ‘society’ would rather not know about these things?
No weather alerts in the UK, at least not delivered via the emergency alert system. Just newsflashes fro Sky/BBC etc - but their respective apps do that 10 times a day anyway with regular news items.Perhaps it’s because I’m in Quebec at the moment. I did get an alert the other day saying that a 1 year old had been abducted locally. Gave the name of the child and the abductor and details of their car. Seemed like quite a good idea to put people on the look-out. Perhaps those right-wing libertarians who tremble at the very idea of ‘society’ would rather not know about these things?
I had a couple of those sort of ‘missing child’ alerts when I was in Houston a few months ago. Nobody panicked, nobody crashed their car because their phone went beep beep…. Didn’t seem an unreasonable use for it, TBH.
Roman Rhodes said:
Everyone been inundated by alerts due to this hot weather? A number here were saying we would be - have I missed out?
Perhaps it’s because I’m in Quebec at the moment. I did get an alert the other day saying that a 1 year old had been abducted locally. Gave the name of the child and the abductor and details of their car. Seemed like quite a good idea to put people on the look-out. Perhaps those right-wing libertarians who tremble at the very idea of ‘society’ would rather not know about these things?
On the sauce ?Perhaps it’s because I’m in Quebec at the moment. I did get an alert the other day saying that a 1 year old had been abducted locally. Gave the name of the child and the abductor and details of their car. Seemed like quite a good idea to put people on the look-out. Perhaps those right-wing libertarians who tremble at the very idea of ‘society’ would rather not know about these things?
No alerts since the test.
Personally I think the system should be being used more.
It's hot and there should be some alerts saying drink lots of water.
Then there should be alerts saying be careful of swimming in water
You can never have too many alerts and if just one person is saved its worth it.
Personally I think the system should be being used more.
It's hot and there should be some alerts saying drink lots of water.
Then there should be alerts saying be careful of swimming in water
You can never have too many alerts and if just one person is saved its worth it.
Gazzab said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Everyone been inundated by alerts due to this hot weather? A number here were saying we would be - have I missed out?
Perhaps it’s because I’m in Quebec at the moment. I did get an alert the other day saying that a 1 year old had been abducted locally. Gave the name of the child and the abductor and details of their car. Seemed like quite a good idea to put people on the look-out. Perhaps those right-wing libertarians who tremble at the very idea of ‘society’ would rather not know about these things?
On the sauce ?Perhaps it’s because I’m in Quebec at the moment. I did get an alert the other day saying that a 1 year old had been abducted locally. Gave the name of the child and the abductor and details of their car. Seemed like quite a good idea to put people on the look-out. Perhaps those right-wing libertarians who tremble at the very idea of ‘society’ would rather not know about these things?
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