Prince Andrew US civil sexual assault case
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Gameface said:
Calling Epstein merely "immoral" is letting him off lightly.
Indeed.An incredible understatement.
Also, it is truly worrying how many posters on this forum have no concept of what 'Grooming' actually is, how it happens, and why they shouldn't be engaging in any form of victim blaming, however mild.
Lord Marylebone said:
Indeed.
An incredible understatement.
Also, it is truly worrying how many posters on this forum have no concept of what 'Grooming' actually is, how it happens, and why they shouldn't be engaging in any form of victim blaming, however mild.
Different generation. they grew up where celebs like Bill Wymen shagged 13 year old girls and thoughT nothing of it.An incredible understatement.
Also, it is truly worrying how many posters on this forum have no concept of what 'Grooming' actually is, how it happens, and why they shouldn't be engaging in any form of victim blaming, however mild.
Thesprucegoose said:
Lord Marylebone said:
Indeed.
An incredible understatement.
Also, it is truly worrying how many posters on this forum have no concept of what 'Grooming' actually is, how it happens, and why they shouldn't be engaging in any form of victim blaming, however mild.
Different generation. they grew up where celebs like Bill Wymen shagged 13 year old girls and thoughT nothing of it.An incredible understatement.
Also, it is truly worrying how many posters on this forum have no concept of what 'Grooming' actually is, how it happens, and why they shouldn't be engaging in any form of victim blaming, however mild.
But they need to realise it isn't 1968 anymore.
2fast748 said:
768c said:
By the way..,where the f
k is Ghislane Maxwell in all this?
Considering she's been accused of acquiring girls for Epstein..
She appeared in an obviously staged photo eating breakfast in an LA diner a few weeks ago then promptly disappeared again.k is Ghislane Maxwell in all this?Considering she's been accused of acquiring girls for Epstein..
There is a very extensive Reddit thread on that photograph.
stichill99 said:
Frank7 I have to say I think you are pretty much on the ball although most on here seem to disagree.
Because he's wrong.Anyway- Mr Andrew looks a bit sweaty here, doesn't he:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7695233/V...
And more photos of him and Maxwell being well acquainted.
stichill99 said:
Frank7 I have to say I think you are pretty much on the ball although most on here seem to disagree.
I can see the point been made . And worst still is today Many mothers are happy to see their daughters been around rich older men etc . This is a very different form of “grooming” than the Bradford method. Many of these girls are almost into it . LaurasOtherHalf said:
Frank7 said:
In your eyes, not mine, and I can understand you seeing it that way, but that wasn’t my thought.
I’m not “victim blaming”, I just don’t subscribe to the theory that she was some latter day Dorothy Gale from Kansas, skipping innocently along a Yellow Brick Road, until waylaid by evil men, and FWIW, I DO think that Epstein and Andrew were immoral, and Andrew still is.
Does it matter?I’m not “victim blaming”, I just don’t subscribe to the theory that she was some latter day Dorothy Gale from Kansas, skipping innocently along a Yellow Brick Road, until waylaid by evil men, and FWIW, I DO think that Epstein and Andrew were immoral, and Andrew still is.
Check out the testimonies from any of the child grooming gangs in say Blackpool or Rotherham. These were children and young adults selling their bodies for drugs, alcohol, affection, housing etc. Some of them did so quite knowingly and in their own words felt they were in fact taking advantage of their abusers especially when many were encouraged to commit the same acts at home for free for various adults.
The simple fact of the matter was while they may have thought they were in control of the situation and acting in their own interests they were, in the eyes of the law children incapable of making informed decisions for themselves.
This Frank, is why we have defined ages of responsibilities in the law. That you seem to be unable to see that quite frankly leaves me with a slightly unclean feeling for engaging you in conversation on the topic.
If you can't understand that, where would you draw the line? Sixteen year old girls who were perhaps promised expenses and modelling jobs being coerced into prostitution? Mentally unstable adults being persuaded to perform sex acts? Children being offered drugs in exchange for blow jobs? Or simply the model marrying the middle aged fat millionaire?
There can be a million permutations on the abuse/reward scale Frank but the age of responsibility in the law trumps all. Quite a simple idea no?
unless there's concrete evidence then nothing will happen,
just look at the Salisburys posioning and the Murder of the journalist by the Saudis.
nothing will happen, these days unless you actually have video footage of you comitting the crime or a recording of you admitting/authorizing it then nothing will happen.
even so sometimes it doesn't matter that much, I think Trump could genuinely rape someone and be re-elected
just look at the Salisburys posioning and the Murder of the journalist by the Saudis.
nothing will happen, these days unless you actually have video footage of you comitting the crime or a recording of you admitting/authorizing it then nothing will happen.
even so sometimes it doesn't matter that much, I think Trump could genuinely rape someone and be re-elected
Here you go, this is a very good analysis of the interview:
https://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2019/11/st...
A fun bit:
'He goes further, however, in his moralizing, as one who was active in getting "rid of abuse to children."
This is a very strong indicator of guilt. This is the need to portray oneself as a hero, when faced with an allegation of being the villain, rather than issue a denial.
This point is alarming.
It is consistent with child molestation'
https://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2019/11/st...
A fun bit:
'He goes further, however, in his moralizing, as one who was active in getting "rid of abuse to children."
This is a very strong indicator of guilt. This is the need to portray oneself as a hero, when faced with an allegation of being the villain, rather than issue a denial.
This point is alarming.
It is consistent with child molestation'
WCZ said:
unless there's concrete evidence then nothing will happen,
just look at the Salisburys posioning and the Murder of the journalist by the Saudis.
nothing will happen, these days unless you actually have video footage of you comitting the crime or a recording of you admitting/authorizing it then nothing will happen.
even so sometimes it doesn't matter that much, I think Trump could genuinely rape someone and be re-elected
That’s a very poor example. Plenty has happened following Salisbury, and of the two goons from Russia ever came visiting more cathedrals in the UK they would be arrested and prosecuted. What else do you think we can do, enter Russia and kidnap them? We’ve levied Sanctions against Russian interests and other diplomatic actions have been taken. just look at the Salisburys posioning and the Murder of the journalist by the Saudis.
nothing will happen, these days unless you actually have video footage of you comitting the crime or a recording of you admitting/authorizing it then nothing will happen.
even so sometimes it doesn't matter that much, I think Trump could genuinely rape someone and be re-elected
And plenty have come a cropper in Saudi over that murder. Obviously the crown prince is protected by his position but certain other people are now known to be quite dead after the attention the operation brought. Again, as this is state action, what do you expect to happen?
But Andrew is in some trouble. I bet we won’t see him travelling much in the future. He’s lost his job and any respect he thought he had. And it won’t take much for this to get much worse for him. Evidence is sure to come up.
This story is far from over.
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