Trans woman convicted rapist sent to female prison

[Clockwork Cupcake]

HM-2 said:

Yes. What's that famous saying about assumption again?

credit: https://xkcd.com/1339/

[Gecko1978]

8.4L 154 said:

You do know the third is not a phrase trans people use but a catchphrase made up by the gender critical and popularised by JK Rowling as a straw man.

Typically Trans peoples position on sex is that it's more complicated than GCSE biology suggests

Sorry are you saying "the third" is a slur in someway apologies if it is I was unaware.

My reference was to Jeffery (quick Google) Marsh, who appears to have some unhealthy views but I don't think they represent wider trans people (they just have a big profile)

[Rufus Stone]

WorldBoss said:

It's aimed specifically at posters of transphobic tripe, many examples of which can be found in this, and the other mildly trans adjacent threads allowed to fester on NP and E.

The trouble with that is what you deem transphobic tripe others deem legitimate concerns and opinion.

Labelling an unspecified cohort as transphobic does not advance your argument. You leave it to others to assume who you are referring to.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Rufus Stone said:

The trouble with that is what you deem transphobic tripe others deem legitimate concerns and opinion.

Labelling an unspecified cohort as transphobic does not advance your argument. You leave it to others to assume who you are referring to.

Not aimed at you personally, but I do chuckle when I see the phrase "legitimate concerns" when used in the context of trans debates, because it's pretty much a cliché phrase now and you usually know what's coming next. And it usually involves toilets, because it always comes back to toilets for some reason.

[8.4L 154]

Gecko1978 said:

8.4L 154 said:

You do know the third is not a phrase trans people use but a catchphrase made up by the gender critical and popularised by JK Rowling as a straw man.

Typically Trans peoples position on sex is that it's more complicated than GCSE biology suggests

Sorry are you saying "the third" is a slur in someway apologies if it is I was unaware.

My reference was to Jeffery (quick Google) Marsh, who appears to have some unhealthy views but I don't think they represent wider trans people (they just have a big profile)

I never said it was a slur, I was merely pointing out "sex is real" is something gender critical people came up with to somehow imply trans people deny sex. Trans people are well aware of sex and its implications, they are also well aware that its more complex than the sex purists want it to be and find it informing when sex purists carve out huge exceptions to their ideal model definition of sex in order to account for natural human biology, but wont extend similar courtesy for much smaller differences that would be trans inclusive. They also are the type of people who when someone shouts the word transphobic into a void they come rushing in offended and to defend themselves, for some reason self identifying as the target of such a statement. Presumably because deep down they know their motivations are covered by the term.

as for Jeffery (quick Google) Marsh, I had never heard of them prior to this week and actually did have to google them to see they are at the centre of a midweek flurry of twitter activity which quite frankly I couldn't be bothered to unpick who was who and who was saying what when it was on twitter so I'm not really interested in starting now, all I can gather is whichever side they were on it clearly wasn't unanimous agreement from the LGBT community

[8.4L 154]

Rufus Stone said:

The trouble with that is what you deem transphobic tripe others deem legitimate concerns and opinion.

Labelling an unspecified cohort as transphobic does not advance your argument. You leave it to others to assume who you are referring to.

And you assumed they meant you, that says a lot more about you than it does about them.


Echo CC's comments about "legitimate concerns".

[Google [bot]]

WorldBoss said:

Ignore Bot. They are as thick as tar and twice as dense.

Personally ladies, I'd advise not bothering to engage with any of the transphobic tripe that get posted on here; This lot don't want to have a measured debate, they want to be the embodiment of the chess playing pigeon, struting about like they won.

Case in point is bumping an ancient thread with some lame arse "gotcha" of a politician saying a thing.

A thread inactivate for over 3 days is dormant in my view. CC resurrected the thread from Wednesday.

We all know your position on this, that anyone who views someone who identifies as a woman as less of a woman than their own mother is a transphobe and their opinion irrelevant. I have no hate or even dislike for members of that community, but as with many words, ‘hate’ has been bdized. That’s how it goes, reality is difficult to change, so stretching definitions serves that purpose.

Since you’ve made it such that personal insults are now okay within your framework; you are ridiculous, as your neighbours, the vast majority of this forum (even those who are on your ‘side’) and Police will attest.
Your version of ‘measured debate’ means nothing more than everyone agreeing with you.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Google [bot] said:

A thread inactivate for over 3 days is dormant in my view.

That's a very strange view.

Google [bot] said:

CC resurrected the thread from Wednesday.

Making a comment on a post made 2 days ago (not 3, btw) is hardly a thread resurrection. Not everyone logs onto PH every single day you know.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Saturday 18th March 11:44

[HM-2]

It's rather odd that Google [Bot] considers CC's post the thread's "resurrection" after just 2 days, and yet quietly ignores the fact the post from Master Of Puppets that was being responded to came more than two weeks after the last preceding post.

Maybe people only allowed to "resurrect" threads when they're saying things he approves of?

[Google [bot]]

HM-2]It's rather odd that Google [Bot said:

considers CC's post the thread's "resurrection" after just 2 days, and yet quietly ignores the fact the post from Master Of Puppets that was being responded to came more than two weeks after the last preceding post.

Maybe people only allowed to "resurrect" threads when they're saying things he approves of?

MOP didn’t call for an end to the discussion after their comment.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Google [bot] said:

MOP didn’t call for an end to the discussion after their comment.

Neither did I. What I actually said was we shouldn't go over old ground again*. I didn't for one moment say that we should end the discussion.

(* - as in, I was acknowledging that my comment might cause us to, and that it was meant as an aside)

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Saturday 18th March 12:37

[Google [bot]]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Google [bot] said:

MOP didn’t call for an end to the discussion after their comment.

Neither did I. What I actually said was we shouldn't go over old ground again. I didn't for one moment say that we should end the discussion.

My apologies, that’s how it read to me.

[anonymous-user]

Google [bot] said:

A thread inactivate for over 3 days is dormant in my view. CC resurrected the thread from Wednesday.

What a bizarre view; This isn't 4Chan sweetie, commenting on post made three days old does not constitution a resurrection. Similarly bizarre is why you haven't applied this logic to Eldar, Rufus stone or master of puppets who made exactly the same sleight against forum etiquette on the last page alone?

But I see you have subsequently clarified that your comment was because you couldn't stand to potentially see the 'final word' coming from somebody's who view point differed from your own, guess that makes it okay then?

Google [bot] said:

I have no hate or even dislike for members of that community, but as with many words, ‘hate’ has been bdized. That’s how it goes, reality is difficult to change, so stretching definitions serves that purpose.

Lets side step your whole “bdisation of words” back peddle, actions speak louder than those anyway;
The fact that you seemingly label any trans person that speaks up with a view point that does not align with your own as a “trans activist” does very much suggest that you do harbor some sort of negative feelings towards trans people; You’ve done it with me numerous times and now you did it without even thinking with C.C when she has been absent from any of these debates for a long time, and I’m sure you’ll think it In the future, albeit now you might self filter before smashing the post button.

Google [bot] said:

Since you’ve made it such that personal insults are now okay within your framework; you are ridiculous, as your neighbours, the vast majority of this forum (even those who are on your ‘side’) and Police will attest.

Ahh, so now you’re the spokesperson for my neighbours, ‘the majority of the forum’ and even the police?

I know we are veering off topic a touch but since you're hinting at it; What exactly was it about me forgetting my purse, refusing to submit to an illegal search of my property and being upset about wrongly being denied access to my home did you find so egregious its made you harbour a years old grudge against me?

[Randy Winkman]

Just to side with those pointing out that it was Master of Puppets that resurrected the thread and that was pretty easy to work out.

[bobbo89]

8.4L 154 said:

unanimous agreement from the LGBT community

Yeah because we're all one big community with the same hive mind and combined group think

I hate when people refer to this alphabet 'community'! Because being gay means I get bundled into this weird group where apparently we all think the same and hold the same opinions.

I hold back on here now as I suspect many others do what with the usual suspects who gate keep threads where this topic arises but I, as well as many other LGB people I know, are disassociating with this LGBTQIABCDE+ nonsense. It's all gone way beyond being about the acceptance of same sex attraction and it's starting to have a negative affect where by being gay gets you associated with everything that goes beyond the B which is all becoming a bit mental.

[Jenny Tailor]

bobbo89 said:

8.4L 154 said:

unanimous agreement from the LGBT community

Yeah because we're all one big community with the same hive mind and combined group think

I hate when people refer to this alphabet 'community'! Because being gay means I get bundled into this weird group where apparently we all think the same and hold the same opinions.

I hold back on here now as I suspect many others do what with the usual suspects who gate keep threads where this topic arises but I, as well as many other LGB people I know, are disassociating with this LGBTQIABCDE+ nonsense. It's all gone way beyond being about the acceptance of same sex attraction and it's starting to have a negative affect where by being gay gets you associated with everything that goes beyond the B which is all becoming a bit mental.

Could be worse.... you could 84th in the current 85 and rising pronouns.

[InitialDave]

bobbo89 said:

Yeah because we're all one big community with the same hive mind and combined group think

I hate when people refer to this alphabet 'community'! Because being gay means I get bundled into this weird group where apparently we all think the same and hold the same opinions.

I hold back on here now as I suspect many others do what with the usual suspects who gate keep threads where this topic arises but I, as well as many other LGB people I know, are disassociating with this LGBTQIABCDE+ nonsense. It's all gone way beyond being about the acceptance of same sex attraction and it's starting to have a negative affect where by being gay gets you associated with everything that goes beyond the B which is all becoming a bit mental.

You might not want people who support trans rights thinking you're in the same group, but be very aware that an awful lot of the people who oppose trans rights think you are.

If you look at the situation with trans rights and even slightly think "well, they aren't coming for me".

Remember: They aren't coming for you yet.

[Clockwork Cupcake]

InitialDave said:

You might not want people who support trans rights thinking you're in the same group, but be very aware that an awful lot of the people who oppose trans rights think you are.

If you look at the situation with trans rights and even slightly think "well, they aren't coming for me".

Remember: They aren't coming for you yet.

Or, rather, "they used to come for people like me but the world got more tolerant due to the efforts of other people like me in the past, and their allies. But I 'm not going to be an ally to people like *them* who are going through the same struggle"

[InitialDave]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Or, rather, "they used to come for people like me but the world got more tolerant due to the efforts of other people like me in the past, and their allies. But I 'm not going to be an ally to people like *them* who are going through the same struggle"

I think that's even worse, tbh.

[anonymous-user]

bobbo89 said:

8.4L 154 said:

unanimous agreement from the LGBT community

Yeah because we're all one big community with the same hive mind and combined group think

I hate when people refer to this alphabet 'community'! Because being gay means I get bundled into this weird group where apparently we all think the same and hold the same opinions.

I hold back on here now as I suspect many others do what with the usual suspects who gate keep threads where this topic arises but I, as well as many other LGB people I know, are disassociating with this LGBTQIABCDE+ nonsense. It's all gone way beyond being about the acceptance of same sex attraction and it's starting to have a negative affect where by being gay gets you associated with everything that goes beyond the B which is all becoming a bit mental.

Yes bobbo89, we're all aware that your stance on LGBTQ+ rights is a big old "F you, I got mine", good for you and the small minority of Gay, Lesbian and Bi people who share your sentiments, and while you are more than welcome to voice your feelings and opinions as an individual, you are in a minority.

The majority of Lesbian, gay and bi people stand in solidarity and recognise the push for the rights, freedoms, protections and basic dignity that you enjoy as a gay man in the UK were built upon the literal blood, sweat and tears of people from all of the LGBTQ+ umbrella that you seem so keen to distant yourself from and mock, and recognise that an attempt to further marginalise and sensationalise one group of people that may fall under that umbrella as a broader attack on the group as a whole, or at the very least a sizeable creep towards it; One only needs to look at the vitriol towards 'Drag Queen Story Hour', something is performed almost exclusively by gay & bi men, to see it in action.

But if you still think the groups like the right wing funded 'LGB Alliance' genuinely have your best interests in mind then good luck to you.