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Fracking ban in England lifted in bid to boost UK gas supply
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62820639
The government has lifted the ban on fracking for shale gas in England, alongside unveiling its plans to limit rising energy costs.
The controversial practice was halted in 2019, amid opposition from environmentalists and local concerns over earth tremors.
But new Prime Minister Liz Truss has backed fracking as a way to help boost the UK's domestic gas supplies................continues
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62820639
The government has lifted the ban on fracking for shale gas in England, alongside unveiling its plans to limit rising energy costs.
The controversial practice was halted in 2019, amid opposition from environmentalists and local concerns over earth tremors.
But new Prime Minister Liz Truss has backed fracking as a way to help boost the UK's domestic gas supplies................continues
robinessex said:
Fracking ban in England lifted in bid to boost UK gas supply
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62820639
The government has lifted the ban on fracking for shale gas in England, alongside unveiling its plans to limit rising energy costs.
The controversial practice was halted in 2019, amid opposition from environmentalists and local concerns over earth tremors.
But new Prime Minister Liz Truss has backed fracking as a way to help boost the UK's domestic gas supplies................continues
Only with the support of local people. Whether the current prices are enough to encourage local people to support it or not remains to be seen, but it looks a bit like Cameron's onshore wind policy - you can build wind turbines as long as people don't object - the result being that virtually non have been built. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62820639
The government has lifted the ban on fracking for shale gas in England, alongside unveiling its plans to limit rising energy costs.
The controversial practice was halted in 2019, amid opposition from environmentalists and local concerns over earth tremors.
But new Prime Minister Liz Truss has backed fracking as a way to help boost the UK's domestic gas supplies................continues
Of far more consequence and importance was the release of more North Sea licences.
Condi said:
robinessex said:
Fracking ban in England lifted in bid to boost UK gas supply
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62820639
The government has lifted the ban on fracking for shale gas in England, alongside unveiling its plans to limit rising energy costs.
The controversial practice was halted in 2019, amid opposition from environmentalists and local concerns over earth tremors.
But new Prime Minister Liz Truss has backed fracking as a way to help boost the UK's domestic gas supplies................continues
Only with the support of local people. Whether the current prices are enough to encourage local people to support it or not remains to be seen, but it looks a bit like Cameron's onshore wind policy - you can build wind turbines as long as people don't object - the result being that virtually non have been built. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62820639
The government has lifted the ban on fracking for shale gas in England, alongside unveiling its plans to limit rising energy costs.
The controversial practice was halted in 2019, amid opposition from environmentalists and local concerns over earth tremors.
But new Prime Minister Liz Truss has backed fracking as a way to help boost the UK's domestic gas supplies................continues
Of far more consequence and importance was the release of more North Sea licences.
Half a story (story wanted to be told), with ‘continues’ at the end.
Lots of previous form for that.
ant1973 said:
Thanks - the more I read about the intermittency issue, the less convinced I am that significant renewable provision makes sense. If there are unpredictable days when you have to supply 70% baseload from somewhere else, it all feels a bit silly.
They'll get the message in the end.Probably.
Interesting twitter thread on the ongoing and worsening problems of electricity grids throughout Europe. I've only skimmed it so far.
https://nitter.net/BurggrabenH/status/156792941304...
One point is that mainland Europe is no longer generating enough electricity and is relying on imports from Norway, Sweden, the UK.
Which throws a bit of a spanner in the works of the UK plan to rely on imports from Europe to keep the lights on.
As per
https://watt-logic.com/2022/07/28/winter-outlook-2...
https://nitter.net/BurggrabenH/status/156792941304...
One point is that mainland Europe is no longer generating enough electricity and is relying on imports from Norway, Sweden, the UK.
Which throws a bit of a spanner in the works of the UK plan to rely on imports from Europe to keep the lights on.
As per
https://watt-logic.com/2022/07/28/winter-outlook-2...
irc said:
Interesting twitter thread on the ongoing and worsening problems of electricity grids throughout Europe. I've only skimmed it so far.
https://nitter.net/BurggrabenH/status/156792941304...
One point is that mainland Europe is no longer generating enough electricity and is relying on imports from Norway, Sweden, the UK.
Which throws a bit of a spanner in the works of the UK plan to rely on imports from Europe to keep the lights on.
As per
https://watt-logic.com/2022/07/28/winter-outlook-2...
How much of the shortfall is down to gas supply issues and the French nuclear shutdown?https://nitter.net/BurggrabenH/status/156792941304...
One point is that mainland Europe is no longer generating enough electricity and is relying on imports from Norway, Sweden, the UK.
Which throws a bit of a spanner in the works of the UK plan to rely on imports from Europe to keep the lights on.
As per
https://watt-logic.com/2022/07/28/winter-outlook-2...
rscott said:
How much of the shortfall is down to gas supply issues and the French nuclear shutdown?
Not much. The problem predates that, going back to 2015. The thread covers it.For example. Italy shut its nukes and didn't replace them.
The thread covers the various failures by different countries. It says we are at the point where if Norway reduces exports because of low reservoir levels power cuts in Europe are likely.
My main concern is that the UK is not planning to be self sufficient in electricity So shortages in Europe willl affect us if the time comes when we get a week of cold weather across Europe with low winds. Here is where our electricity will come from this winter according to National Grid.
https://watt-logic.com/2022/08/02/early-outlook-co...
Gas, coal, and nuclear looks to be about 40Gw. Is that enough on a winter evening with no solar on a windless day? Planning to rely on imports looks unwise.
irc said:
Not much. The problem predates that, going back to 2015. The thread covers it.
For example. Italy shut its nukes and didn't replace them.
The thread covers the various failures by different countries. It says we are at the point where if Norway reduces exports because of low reservoir levels power cuts in Europe are likely.
My main concern is that the UK is not planning to be self sufficient in electricity So shortages in Europe willl affect us if the time comes when we get a week of cold weather across Europe with low winds. Here is where our electricity will come from this winter according to National Grid.
https://watt-logic.com/2022/08/02/early-outlook-co...
Gas, coal, and nuclear looks to be about 40Gw. Is that enough on a winter evening with no solar on a windless day? Planning to rely on imports looks unwise.
The lack of self-sufficiency is reckless misconduct IMHO. Relying upon the existence of a “magic grid” to bail you out is some of the worst risk-non-management I can think of.For example. Italy shut its nukes and didn't replace them.
The thread covers the various failures by different countries. It says we are at the point where if Norway reduces exports because of low reservoir levels power cuts in Europe are likely.
My main concern is that the UK is not planning to be self sufficient in electricity So shortages in Europe willl affect us if the time comes when we get a week of cold weather across Europe with low winds. Here is where our electricity will come from this winter according to National Grid.
https://watt-logic.com/2022/08/02/early-outlook-co...
Gas, coal, and nuclear looks to be about 40Gw. Is that enough on a winter evening with no solar on a windless day? Planning to rely on imports looks unwise.
Fixing this *must* be a national priority.
PushedDover said:
I’d counter that solidifying your opinion on the tin pot websites put up here is also ’reckless’.
Have you fact checked any of the content ??
Who are you referring to? You havn't quoted anyone. Have you fact checked any of the content ??
Which websites are tinpot? Which facts are wrong? If the websites are so unreliable I'm sure you can take 5 minutes to research it and point out one of the many mistakes.
Do ya think that I used the word reckless to follow on from your use of ‘reckless’ ?
We’ve been here before ‘reliance on interconnectors’ debate.
If it’s the cheapest way to top up the grid at that time, interconnectors are used. If it is, Gas is used.
Similarly we’ve seen those one message websites over the years. Largely seen as inaccurate.
When those on this thread that ‘know’ the subject point out the errors and deceit, the music (thread) stops. Until the next time.
Look at the example that was tried to be made to say ‘our UK windfarms are owned by Norwegians’ a few pages ago.
Great expressive drama. Non-story in reality.
ETA - it’s one guy’s hypothesis on a website.
Akin to many posts here in reality. Just his thoughts.
Should this carry more weight than an industry that is reliant on it ‘working’ and returning to its shareholders etc? It says after a particular ramble that his ‘findings’ are based on one solitary data point.
It’s great for the hand wringers of this thread and the home based energy experts that have a greater understand than the ummm industry
Edited by PushedDover on Sunday 11th September 08:51
PushedDover said:
Do ya think that I used the word reckless to follow on from your use of ‘reckless’ ?
We’ve been here before ‘reliance on interconnectors’ debate.
If it’s the cheapest way to top up the grid at that time, interconnectors are used. If it is, Gas is used.
As for the experts? It is the experts that have got us to the stage where we are no longer fully self sufficient in electricity and need to rely on imports.
"The Times reported that Adam Bell, former head of energy strategy at BEIS until last year, said he believed there was a one-in-ten chance that “some domestic customers” could see power cuts “for a short number of hours” for up to five days this winter."
https://www.energylivenews.com/2022/08/22/fears-gr...
Cute clipping. You are in the tip ally misconstruing.
Why did you not also add for example :
“ “Britain is at a strategic advantage compared to other European countries through access to our own North Sea gas reserves, steady imports from reliable partners like Norway, the second largest LNG port infrastructure in Europe and a gas supply underpinned by robust legal contracts.
“Thanks to a massive £90 billion investment in clean energy in the last decade, we have one of the most reliable and diverse energy systems in the world and unlike Europe, we are not dependent on Russian energy imports.”
Oh yes because your bias.
Why did you not also add for example :
“ “Britain is at a strategic advantage compared to other European countries through access to our own North Sea gas reserves, steady imports from reliable partners like Norway, the second largest LNG port infrastructure in Europe and a gas supply underpinned by robust legal contracts.
“Thanks to a massive £90 billion investment in clean energy in the last decade, we have one of the most reliable and diverse energy systems in the world and unlike Europe, we are not dependent on Russian energy imports.”
Oh yes because your bias.
PushedDover said:
Cute clipping. You are in the tip ally misconstruing.
Why did you not also add for example :
“ “Britain is at a strategic advantage compared to other European countries through access to our own North Sea gas reserves, steady imports from reliable partners like Norway, the second largest LNG port infrastructure in Europe and a gas supply underpinned by robust legal contracts.
“Thanks to a massive £90 billion investment in clean energy in the last decade, we have one of the most reliable and diverse energy systems in the world and unlike Europe, we are not dependent on Russian energy imports.”
Oh yes because your bias.
North sea gas reserves are dwindling until the new fields are open. Why did you not also add for example :
“ “Britain is at a strategic advantage compared to other European countries through access to our own North Sea gas reserves, steady imports from reliable partners like Norway, the second largest LNG port infrastructure in Europe and a gas supply underpinned by robust legal contracts.
“Thanks to a massive £90 billion investment in clean energy in the last decade, we have one of the most reliable and diverse energy systems in the world and unlike Europe, we are not dependent on Russian energy imports.”
Oh yes because your bias.
'Reliable partners like Norway' are talking about curbing electricity exports until their own problems are sorted out. They only provide a small fraction of what we need anyway. And the supply via interconnectors from Europe will become ever increasingly flakey as winter sets in.
I think the reference to Norway in the previous posts was more to do with the gas they sell us rather than the electricity.
Anyway, is it not an expectation this winter that most large businesses will be using their own diesel generators rather than the grid over the periods of highest demand and potentially for most of the season? Surely this will put a significant dent in the load on the grid?
Anyway, is it not an expectation this winter that most large businesses will be using their own diesel generators rather than the grid over the periods of highest demand and potentially for most of the season? Surely this will put a significant dent in the load on the grid?
PushedDover said:
Cute clipping. You are in the tip ally misconstruing.
Why did you not also add for example :
“ “Britain is at a strategic advantage compared to other European countries through access to our own North Sea gas reserves, steady imports from reliable partners like Norway, the second largest LNG port infrastructure in Europe and a gas supply underpinned by robust legal contracts.
“Thanks to a massive £90 billion investment in clean energy in the last decade, we have one of the most reliable and diverse energy systems in the world and unlike Europe, we are not dependent on Russian energy imports.”
Oh yes because your bias.
Despite all these strategic advantages we are still at risk of power cuts. Excuse me if I don't jump up and down with joy.Why did you not also add for example :
“ “Britain is at a strategic advantage compared to other European countries through access to our own North Sea gas reserves, steady imports from reliable partners like Norway, the second largest LNG port infrastructure in Europe and a gas supply underpinned by robust legal contracts.
“Thanks to a massive £90 billion investment in clean energy in the last decade, we have one of the most reliable and diverse energy systems in the world and unlike Europe, we are not dependent on Russian energy imports.”
Oh yes because your bias.
Where is the bias in recognising we have a problem?
irc said:
Despite all these strategic advantages we are still at risk of power cuts. Excuse me if I don't jump up and down with joy.
Where is the bias in recognising we have a problem?
For the last X years this thread has said we will have Power Cutshow many times has the grid run out of juice ?Where is the bias in recognising we have a problem?
Please do share the times and dates when we ran out.
irc said:
As for the experts? It is the experts that have got us to the stage where we are no longer fully self sufficient in electricity and need to rely on imports.
The experts were overruled long ago by politicians and private interests. They've been doing the best they can within those shackles; doesn't mean they wouldn't have run it all better given the chance.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff