Prince Andrew US civil sexual assault case

[TheRealNoNeedy]

Coin Slot. said:

George Smiley said:

17 is legal in the UK, he's not a nonce

That's ok then.

He didn't say it was ok he said it was legal

[vonuber]

TheRealNoNeedy said:

He didn't say it was ok he said it was legal

I never knew it was legal to have sex with someone who was groomed and trafficked.

[George Smiley]

vonuber said:

TheRealNoNeedy said:

He didn't say it was ok he said it was legal

I never knew it was legal to have sex with someone who was groomed and trafficked.

I never said it was, I never said he had sex with her but I bet for the grief its caused that he wish he had (or could "remember")

[Zoon]

Where is Ghislane Maxwell?
Has she committed suicide like Epstein?

[George Smiley]

Zoon said:

Where is Ghislane Maxwell?
Has she committed suicide like Epstein?

she's with her dad at the minute

[Toaster]

bulldong said:

Wacky Racer said:

rover 623gsi said:

Fallingup said:

i have no sympathy for the women involved. But I would like to see the prince brought to account.

No sympathy for a 17 year old girl coerced into having sex with strange men twice her age?

When you look at THAT photograph, does she really look like she is there against her will?



You would imagine there would be some signs of distress in her face...

Your statement about her not looking like she’s in distress is outrageous.

People who are groomed don’t realise it whilst they’re being groomed. It doesn’t even take much to groom someone, just read about the Rotherham grooming cases. A couple of bottles of cheap vodka and free kebabs was enough for those girls.

Try then adding in private islands, flying about in a private jet, and all the rest of the jazz. It almost always involves being matey with the parents to gain their trust (Epstein did this with lots of victims). It’s grooming and it’s fking weird, dirty behaviour by a bunch of obnoxious old men.

You should be ashamed of yourself for thinking that way.

Bulldong you are spot on, I cannot understand why Rover would think this is OK, where are the moral and ethical compass of the people who think a young girl (or boy) is "asking for it" or its ok as they were "Agreeing to it" FFS guys (and Girls). under 18's are children over 18's are adults but even then Adults (particularly young adults) can be at risk. It should be for all of use to watch out for the welfare of the young, to consider anything else is just wrong, epstein's and his ilk such as Jimmy Savil's behaviour wrecks lives.........Girls and Women who are abused need our understanding.

Whilst we are at it, Men forget......women are afraid of being killed by Men......Men are afraid of being laughed at by women. Most women would agree with this view.

[anonymous-user]

TheRealNoNeedy said:

He didn't say it was ok he said it was legal

Pedant.

Her age isn't the issue, certainly not in the UK and not on this thread.

[Halb]

Nadhim Zahawi sweating like Andy in a school, disco on politics live today, desperately trying not to have opinion on slimy Andy's actions.
Looked like a gutless plate of jelly.

[Etypephil]

Thesprucegoose said:

Different generation. they grew up where celebs like Bill Wymen shagged 13 year old girls and thoughT nothing of it.

Wyman may have thought nothing of it, but we Stones fans who were around at the time weren't impressed.

[smn159]

Pinoyuk said:

I can see the point been made . And worst still is today Many mothers are happy to see their daughters been around rich older men etc . This is a very different form of “grooming” than the Bradford method. Many of these girls are almost into it .

Sweeping assertion with zero evidence AND victim blaming

[Frank7]

stichill99 said:

Frank7 I have to say I think you are pretty much on the ball although most on here seem to disagree.

PHers disagree with me on lots of things, so I appreciate your empathy, but the Head Serang of The Star Chamber has decreed that I MUST learn that it’s no longer 1968, so be careful in what you say.
I remember back in the dim and distant past, when it first came out that Bill Wyman was shacking up with 13 y.o. Mandy Smith, thinking surely plod will be knocking on his door,
They didn’t as far as I know, but with the age of consent being 16, I don’t know why.
I’ve been taken to task for soft pedalling in saying that Epstein was just immoral.
Okay, so I’ll say that he was on a par with the Marquis de Sade, is that better?
If there is any truth in the debauchery of 12, 13, 14, and 15 y.o. girls by Epstein et al, then that is totally heinous, and completely indefensible, but I still don’t believe that 17 y.o. Virginia Giuffre was a wide eyed innocent, groomed in the same manner as the ingénues of Rochdale and Rotherham, with a kebab and chips, and a pack of cigarettes.

[anonymous-user]

Frank7 said:

PHers disagree with me on lots of things, so I appreciate your empathy, but the Head Serang of The Star Chamber has decreed that I MUST learn that it’s no longer 1968, so be careful in what you say.
I remember back in the dim and distant past, when it first came out that Bill Wyman was shacking up with 13 y.o. Mandy Smith, thinking surely plod will be knocking on his door,
They didn’t as far as I know, but with the age of consent being 16, I don’t know why.
I’ve been taken to task for soft pedalling in saying that Epstein was just immoral.
Okay, so I’ll say that he was on a par with the Marquis de Sade, is that better?
If there is any truth in the debauchery of 12, 13, 14, and 15 y.o. girls by Epstein et al, then that is totally heinous, and completely indefensible, but I still don’t believe that 17 y.o. Virginia Giuffre was a wide eyed innocent, groomed in the same manner as the ingénues of Rochdale and Rotherham, with a kebab and chips, and a pack of cigarettes.

Grooming is grooming.

You give the victim gifts, money, cigarettes, alcohol, jewellery, kebabs, cans of Irn Bru, new clothes, trips on your yacht, trips in your Nissan Bluebird, a new mobile phone, some fancy shoes, some trainers, etc

The girls then end up, slowly but surely, in a position where they can't say no when you make it clear you are going to have sex with them. They feel utterly obliged to do whatever you want as they have 'accepted' all these gifts.

As I point out, it doesn't matter if you do that with a kebab and a ride in a minicab or some Tiffany jewellery and a ride on a yacht, it's Grooming.

[JuniorD]

Apparently adult grooming is a thing too. I don’t know if it necessarily needs an air of vulnerability about the victim, but I think would be helpful if precise and structured official guidelines on how to safely woo someone could be produced. Same goes for seduction.

[anonymous-user]

JuniorD said:

Apparently adult grooming is a thing too. I don’t know if it necessarily needs an air of vulnerability about the victim, but I think would be helpful if precise and structured official guidelines on how to safely woo someone could be produced. Same goes for seduction.

I think you are being deliberately obtuse.

Like those people who claim you can't ask a work colleague out on a date or send a girl flowers without it being classed as harassment or something.

If you can't decide for yourself what actions will or will not get you in trouble with the Police, then it's perhaps best if you just stay at home and don't talk to anyone.

It really isn't difficult.

[Cold]

JuniorD said:

Apparently adult grooming is a thing too. I don’t know if it necessarily needs an air of vulnerability about the victim, but I think would be helpful if precise and structured official guidelines on how to safely woo someone could be produced. Same goes for seduction.

This is why I always make sure she pays for her half of dinner.

[anonymous-user]

From what I've read. He groomed her, to groom other girls, who groomed girls between 14-16. These were then passed around to his rich and powerful friends.

Not much difference to the Rotherham gangs, just more money involved.

[vonuber]

Frank7 said:

but I still don’t believe that 17 y.o. Virginia Giuffre was a wide eyed innocent, groomed in the same manner as the ingénues of Rochdale and Rotherham, with a kebab and chips, and a pack of cigarettes.

Why not? Because she is accusing Andrew Windsor?

And Epstein got her first when she was 15.

From Mar El Lago, in an unsurprising twist.

[anonymous-user]

abzmike said:

...Exocet missile decoy...
So, not to denigrate his experience, but seemingly not exactly in the line of fire.

Just being on a ship down there was in the line of fire. Flying exocet decoy and search and rescue considerably more so. My dad served down there, he recons Andrew's service was absolutely legit. Credit where credit is due. Not that it has any relevance to the current ststorm.

[Gameface]

Frank7 said:

I still don’t believe that 17 y.o. Virginia Giuffre was a wide eyed innocent, groomed in the same manner as the ingénues of Rochdale and Rotherham, with a kebab and chips, and a pack of cigarettes.

So because she was groomed with nicer gifts she's somehow culpable?

[Pinoyuk]

ash73 said:

Probably trying to avoid being bumped off. She must know exactly what went on, I doubt she'll ever get to tell it.

I believe from the start that Epstein was not in charge .He was set up .And Ghislane was more of a “Handler” . She might never be seen again . Depending on the outcome she might receive a medal in private and live a very secluded life .Or she gets whacked. She was not just on the surface of this . She was connected to who set it up and who gained from it all.