Yellow vests - fuel protest day of action in France

[Wobbegong]

bhstewie said:

Did he promise one thing and do another, or is he doing the things he said and people don't like it?

I just looked him up on Wikipedia and he was literally an investment banker so it seems odd to vote for him and then be surprised.

In fairness to him, he is doing exactly what he said he would. He was just seen as “anyone but Le Pen”, similar to how Trump got in with “anyone but Clinton”, except the fear of the Front National was far greater.

[citizensm1th]

anonymous said:

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If the french really wanted to stop these riots you would see the legion on the streets

[smifffymoto]

anonymous said:

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You have it the wrong way around,because the Police came down harder on Acte 12, the protestestors ramped it up abit.Turnout is still high but most law abiding folk have gone home by 5pm.

[Helicopter123]

toppstuff said:

I get the strong impression that this movement has had its day.

The original movement has run out of steam. It seems now to consist of anarchists / pseudo anarchists / thugs / bored people / wannabees / hopeful looters / people with an axe to grind who want to thump a gendarme etc etc.

I think some of the numbers are also made up of "anarchist Walts" who are only there because they get a chance to wear Hi-Vis.

The idea that this is a movement "set to remove the Gov", seems to have petered out?

Am I wrong?

You’ve hit the nail on the head.

[Earthdweller]

It’s hard to tell from the outside how sentiments are

Perhaps some of our French residents can comment ?

But it seems to me that every action has an equal and opposite reaction as the Govt pass more laws upping the level of Force the Police can use against its citizens the worse their position will get

The idea of the Police being citizens in uniform for the good of their fellow citizens is key to how western democracy works

Once the Police and public are separated and the a police become an arm of the state used to oppress the people then the Govt has lost its legitimacy

So, whilst the moderates might not turn out it doesn’t mean their support has waned

However, not focusing on Paris, it seems that demonstrations were widespread across the whole country again this past weekend

I don’t think it’s over at all

[Jazzy Jag]

"Beneath this yellow vest, there is more than flesh.
Beneath this yellow vest is an idea!
Mr Macron , and ideas are bulletproof. "

They may crush the protests on the streets but the sentiment will not go away.
It will just go underground and may become even more dangerous.

[citizensm1th]

Earthdweller said:

It’s hard to tell from the outside how sentiments are

Perhaps some of our French residents can comment ?

But it seems to me that every action has an equal and opposite reaction as the Govt pass more laws upping the level of Force the Police can use against its citizens the worse their position will get

The idea of the Police being citizens in uniform for the good of their fellow citizens is key to how western democracy works

Once the Police and public are separated and the a police become an arm of the state used to oppress the people then the Govt has lost its legitimacy

So, whilst the moderates might not turn out it doesn’t mean their support has waned

However, not focusing on Paris, it seems that demonstrations were widespread across the whole country again this past weekend

I don’t think it’s over at all

The police in France have never policed by consent as we do here, they have always been separated from the public,

[steve_k]

It started with fuel tax in France

https://www.france24.com/en/20190202-yellow-vests-...

[gooner1]

citizensm1th said:

If the french really wanted to stop these riots you would see the legion on the streets

You think the french authorities don't really want the present situation to stop?
Why's that?

[Earthdweller]

citizensm1th said:

The police in France have never policed by consent as we do here, they have always been separated from the public,

There are three types of police local and national which are civil forces and the Gendarmes which are part of the military

But, yes I take your point on the style but my sentiment remains the same

Once the state starts to use its forces ( civil/military) against its people it’s on the slippery slope

[irocfan]

gooner1 said:

citizensm1th said:

If the french really wanted to stop these riots you would see the legion on the streets

You think the french authorities don't really want the present situation to stop?
Why's that?

because then the government can be seen as 'victims'. Having the ability to stand firm against the mob and, eventually, defeat it

[Digga]

irocfan said:

gooner1 said:

citizensm1th said:

If the french really wanted to stop these riots you would see the legion on the streets

You think the french authorities don't really want the present situation to stop?
Why's that?

because then the government can be seen as 'victims'. Having the ability to stand firm against the mob and, eventually, defeat it

You credit the French government with more intelligence, power and authority than it actually has. The truth is, however, very simple; the broad church of Yellow Vests spans a huge cross-section of society and their opinions are deeply rooted and very much opposed to the status quo.

Give what's going on here, in Spain and also Italy, and without any offence intended to the people of these nations, but the fact their politicians - Macron etc. - have the audacity to lecture the UK about democracy is absurd in the extreme.

[citizensm1th]

gooner1 said:

citizensm1th said:

If the french really wanted to stop these riots you would see the legion on the streets

You think the french authorities don't really want the present situation to stop?
Why's that?

Wrong, I was responding to toxic nerves post about the French getting serious if it carries on much longer.
They won't as the rioters are not actually achieving much at all at present.
Other than butting heads with the chickens they are not inconveniencing any one other than French shoppers and tourists.

If they started burning down town halls and shops rather than the odd car you would see the state step up the response until then the state is quite happy if the rioters want to take on le plod

[dasigty]

Digga said:

You credit the French government with more intelligence, power and authority than it actually has. The truth is, however, very simple; the broad church of Yellow Vests spans a huge cross-section of society and their opinions are deeply rooted and very much opposed to the status quo.

Give what's going on here, in Spain and also Italy, and without any offence intended to the people of these nations, but the fact their politicians - Macron etc. - have the audacity to lecture the UK about democracy is absurd in the extreme.

Lets start with the fact that without social media most people would have no clue what is going on in France and other places, the shear scale of arrests,serious injuries, and multiple deaths has been ignored or so downplayed as to be made out to be insignificant by the MSM.

The behaviour of the police is not that of protecting the people, but of enforcing the dictates of a government completely at odds with the people, they now act more as an army of occupation, often instigating the violence at the protests as can be seen on many of the videos posted live.

Its no longer possible to trust the MSM, while the alternative independent media is under attack from de-platforming by the likes of Google & facebook and more importantly by the EUs articles 11 & 13.

We are fed the lies of how wonderful the EU is from a bought and paid for media/ political elite, what is happening only twenty odd miles from our shores should be a major wake up call on what the EU is.

[citizensm1th]

dasigty said:

We are fed the lies of how wonderful the EU is from a bought and paid for media/ political elite, what is happening only twenty odd miles from our shores should be a major wake up call on what the EU is.

And this is why you are mr tinfoil

How are internal french political issues the fault of the EU? did the EU tell the french government to increase fuel prices? if so can you provide a link to the relevant eu regulation that forced the french government of macron to do this?

[Digga]

citizensm1th said:

dasigty said:

We are fed the lies of how wonderful the EU is from a bought and paid for media/ political elite, what is happening only twenty odd miles from our shores should be a major wake up call on what the EU is.

And this is why you are mr tinfoil

How are internal french political issues the fault of the EU? did the EU tell the french government to increase fuel prices? if so can you provide a link to the relevant eu regulation that forced the french government of macron to do this?

Not directly but both the ECB and the IMF have repeatedly and, with growing forcefulness, warned France about it's budget deficit. It is not sustainable. So the choices are spend less or tax more.

Do you understand?

[citizensm1th]

Digga said:

citizensm1th said:

dasigty said:

We are fed the lies of how wonderful the EU is from a bought and paid for media/ political elite, what is happening only twenty odd miles from our shores should be a major wake up call on what the EU is.

And this is why you are mr tinfoil

How are internal french political issues the fault of the EU? did the EU tell the french government to increase fuel prices? if so can you provide a link to the relevant eu regulation that forced the french government of macron to do this?

Not directly but both the ECB and the IMF have repeatedly and, with growing forcefulness, warned France about it's budget deficit. It is not sustainable. So the choices are spend less or tax more.

Do you understand?

oh i totally understand that no one ordered the french government to raise fuel tax let alone the EU so how come mr tinfoil is saying it is the EU,s fault?

[Digga]

citizensm1th said:

Digga said:

citizensm1th said:

dasigty said:

We are fed the lies of how wonderful the EU is from a bought and paid for media/ political elite, what is happening only twenty odd miles from our shores should be a major wake up call on what the EU is.

And this is why you are mr tinfoil

How are internal french political issues the fault of the EU? did the EU tell the french government to increase fuel prices? if so can you provide a link to the relevant eu regulation that forced the french government of macron to do this?

Not directly but both the ECB and the IMF have repeatedly and, with growing forcefulness, warned France about it's budget deficit. It is not sustainable. So the choices are spend less or tax more.

Do you understand?

oh i totally understand that no one ordered the french government to raise fuel tax let alone the EU so how come mr tinfoil is saying it is the EU,s fault? [b ]No.[/b]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/24/france-2019-budget-is-also-a-concern-for-brussels.html

Edited by Digga on Monday 11th February 15:19

[WyrleyD]

I've given up trying to explain why all this is happening as it would appear that those outside France just can't grasp the situation. Here in deepest darkest Limousin the hate for Macron and his ilk has to be heard/seen to be believed, there seems to be a growing number of hand-painted FREXIT signs appearing locally beside the roads and on bridges. The remark you made about cutting spending or raising taxes is correct but the trouble is Macron doesn't seem to be able to do either. Another thing a lot do not understand is that the Police are "police", generally in the bigger towns and cities but Gendarme are in effect para-military and operate out side of the main centres of population.

[dasigty]

citizensm1th said:

And this is why you are mr tinfoil

How are internal french political issues the fault of the EU? did the EU tell the french government to increase fuel prices? if so can you provide a link to the relevant eu regulation that forced the french government of macron to do this?

Who told you it was about fuel prices ?, the French government scrapped the planned increases two months ago yet the protests are larger than ever,

Try looking up the EU budget deficit rules: 3% GDP limit and a 60% GDP ceiling on public debt, while your at it look at the sanctions able to be enforced on member countries that dont do as they are told ( Plus the financial attacks, as used on Greece and currently being threatened on Italy).

If you want a conspiracy, look up Goldman Sachs/ EU connections, nothing but a great deal of coincidence ?,