Marcus Rashford - School Meals Vouchers Campaign

[bitchstewie]

Helping kids and the poor should be something anyone is proud of and it's not as if he has to do it rather than just sitting back and putting his feet up on £100K a week or whatever he's on.

Seems weird that people think he's incapable of having a view on anything and it just must be the work of shadowy puppet masters.

The dislike of the lad and what he's achieved to date and is still doing is just plain odd.

[Blue One]

I think it’s the other way around maybe, a reaction to the disproportionate media adulation this guy gets given he’s a largely inarticulate rich young kid with a media team (and others I’m sure) backing up his quasi political efforts.

[chrispmartha]

Blue One said:

Here’s a link to a story that shows the lad has a big media team behind him and probably gets a lot of guidance and coaching on almost everything he does, and he certainly doesn’t write his own tweets:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.caughtoffside.c...

Edited by Blue One on Saturday 9th October 08:38

Person with massive public profile has a PR team shocker

[NerveAgent]

bhstewie said:

Helping kids and the poor should be something anyone is proud of and it's not as if he has to do it rather than just sitting back and putting his feet up on £100K a week or whatever he's on.

Seems weird that people think he's incapable of having a view on anything and it just must be the work of shadowy puppet masters.

The dislike of the lad and what he's achieved to date and is still doing is just plain odd.

This is your invention btw

[bitchstewie]

Blue One said:

I think it’s the other way around maybe, a reaction to the disproportionate media adulation this guy gets given he’s a largely inarticulate rich young kid with a media team (and others I’m sure) backing up his quasi political efforts.

I think 2 Government u-turns and an MBE for services to vulnerable children is pretty good for a "largely inarticulate rich young kid".

Like I said if he spent his days posting flash cars on Instagram he'd no doubt be wrong too.

Can't win.

[bitchstewie]

NerveAgent said:

bhstewie said:

Helping kids and the poor should be something anyone is proud of and it's not as if he has to do it rather than just sitting back and putting his feet up on £100K a week or whatever he's on.

Seems weird that people think he's incapable of having a view on anything and it just must be the work of shadowy puppet masters.

The dislike of the lad and what he's achieved to date and is still doing is just plain odd.

This is your invention btw

No it isn't.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

All the work of his lobbying firm that "actually do the thinking and indeed tweeting for him" apparently and there's enough hints on here that he can't be behind the stuff he tweets because he has a team of people not to mention that lovely Youtube video a few pages back all about his "real bosses".

[NerveAgent]

bhstewie said:

No it isn't.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

All the work of his lobbying firm that "actually do the thinking and indeed tweeting for him" apparently and there's enough hints on here that he can't be behind the stuff he tweets because he has a team of people not to mention that lovely Youtube video a few pages back all about his "real bosses".

You think PR firms are shadowy puppet masters?

[bitchstewie]

NerveAgent said:

You think PR firms are shadowy puppet masters?

No.

But when people are talking about lobbying firms and posting videos that say they reveal who his secret "real bosses" are it's pretty clear the suggestion is that Rashford is being told what to do.

The lad clearly has lots of money and a social conscience that's seen him force the Government into some embarrassing climb downs as well as earning himself an MBE for his work.

People should give him credit for that instead of suggesting it's all down to lobbying firms or his "real bosses".

[NerveAgent]

bhstewie said:

No.

But when people are talking about lobbying firms and posting videos that say they reveal who his secret "real bosses" are it's pretty clear the suggestion is that Rashford is being told what to do.

The lad clearly has lots of money and a social conscience that's seen him force the Government into some embarrassing climb downs as well as earning himself an MBE for his work.

People should give him credit for that instead of suggesting it's all down to lobbying firms or his "real bosses".

Sounds like you’ve got in to a load of conspiracy bks to explain to yourself why the “people should give him credit” doesn’t play out with everyone.

[bitchstewie]

NerveAgent said:

Sounds like you’ve got in to a load of conspiracy bks to explain to yourself why the “people should give him credit” doesn’t play out with everyone.

Because me giving the lad credit for his achievements when other people are claiming he's run by a "lobbying firm" and is controlled by his "real bosses" is definitely me getting into a load of conspiracy bks.

Seems legit

[rscott]

Does it actually matter who writes his tweets?
Presumably he asked them to create a campaign to address what he sees as an injustice

[ZedLeg]

Yeah, some people seem to not understand what PR/media management teams do.

No ones forcing him to support the nefarious cause of not letting kids go hungry.

[chrispmartha]

ZedLeg said:

Yeah, some people seem to not understand what PR/media management teams do.

No ones forcing him to support the nefarious cause of not letting kids go hungry.

It’s utterly bizarre how some people think it works.

MR is their client, he will decide what goes out not the other way round. They will just implement it.

Yes they may make suggestions but he will ultimately be in control.

[jdw100]

rscott said:

Does it actually matter who writes his tweets?
Presumably he asked them to create a campaign to address what he sees as an injustice

Exactly.

I doubt there was a meeting with his PR team where they suggested he should take on this topic due to researching 25 possible causes.

Even if there was, fair play to somebody raising this as an issue and putting government under pressure.

Even if it was a Marketing Assistant in a PR company - raising public consciousness re hungry childen has to be a good idea. Even if the route is via a footballer.

'Oh hey Marcus. Would you like to pick underfunding donkey sanctuaries, bin collection issues or kids getting malnourished in a first world country like ours? We are doing this cynically just in an attempt to raise your profile and make us all more money'

' Well you pick for me I don't really care. Whatever gets me an honorary degree. I just want my profile raising and get more chicks. Maybe the donkeys?'

[bitchstewie]

Hadn't twigged he hadn't had the actual ceremony.

Marcus Rashford: Manchester United striker to give MBE to mum

[Gone a bit AMG]

bhstewie said:

Hadn't twigged he hadn't had the actual ceremony.

Marcus Rashford: Manchester United striker to give MBE to mum

I’d not seen this thread. I’ve met Marcus on a few occasions and his recent work has had a huge impact on those that need it most around the south Manchester area I live. I can stroll to the mural painted of him in 10 minutes from my front door. I pass every demographic during that stroll and housing From million pound mansions to the cheapest properties in Manchester.

What he is doing for the area is fantastic. Yes his position and profile allows him to, but he’s not the only 23 year old with that position and profile but he’s done more than most.

A well deserved honour.

[Randy Winkman]

Top bloke. His mum seems really good too.

[heisthegaffer]

Magic to see such a good contribution and a true role model.

Shame on the nay sayers and MPs who vote against providing against those in poverty.

[Ian Geary]

heisthegaffer said:

Shame on the nay sayers and MPs who vote against providing against those in poverty.

I thought PH had been round this loop during the first lockdown? The votes against the measures were predicated on alternative methods for providing support being in place.

[Ian Geary]

OldAndTired said:

The left thinks the state should be responsible for almost everything. The right believes in personal responsibility.

It’s easy to be on the left, because without any critical thinking all left wing policies appear “nice” but they are superficially “nice”. They cause unintended consequences which in the long run cause far bigger problems.

For example your statement “How can anyone not want to feed kiddies?” No one can argue with that. But that’s not a solution. It’s simply stating the “bleeding obvious”.

No one on the left or right wants to see kiddies go hungry. If you honestly think politically right minded people don’t care then that says far more about your own prejudices.

Parents should be responsible for feeding their children. And the current system is already in place to remove children from parents that neglect their basic responsibilities.

If you hand the responsibility of feeding children over to the state you simply create more demand for that “free” service and create a bigger problem.

We now have an online delivery service provided by supermarkets that wasn’t available 15 years ago. Instead of handing out all benefits in cash why not use a proportion to deliver set meal plans with the necessary ingredients to families in need and give them the tools to learn to cook?

Of course some families are so dysfunctional that will never work but that’s where social services step in and remove the kids.

I would like to see children at the end of their secondary school education being taught how to cook ten basic meals. They should not be able to leave school without passing this course.

Just throwing more tax payers money at a problem and shouting “tories are scum,they want children to starve” is childish and a refusal to entertain better long term, sustainable solutions.

There's a lot in there I would agree with, but as someone else pointed out: the care system really isn't a good place for kids to be. There's tonnes of data showing how poor their outcomes are. The idea social services can just appear like a fairy god mother and make everything ok is not how it is.

Frankly, people don't "care" enough. There's a huge shortage of foster carers, and often I think the emotional damage to the children is already too deep for foster carers to really address. Stopping it getting worse is often the best they can hope for.

And it's incredibly expensive! One "chaotic" family on a street could easily consume the entire streets' worth of council tax.

So really it has to be a joint approach of fixing the problem "now" via state intervention, and working with kids (ie parents to be) to get future generations on a stable footing.