Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister
Discussion
CoolHands said:
Sad to see them take the familiar path of going after benefit scroungers etc. 2 new targets, sick note Britain and if you’ve been unemployed for more than 12 months.
Guaranteed there is no one who can deal with sick note people off work (idea is to get ailments validated / see if there’s other work you could do rather than be off work). Clearly b
ks and will never happen as you’d need an army of staff on top of the job centres and GPs you already have.
And the over 12 month unemployed will be another tick box load of crap.
Be good if someone would actually do something genuine to help unemployed people rather than use them for rhetoric
I have a team leader off sick, now been 3 months. The only reason its been that long is because there is a minimum 6 month waiting list for the treatment. The delay is not his fault, its the fault of the government and the total mismanagement of the NHS. Guaranteed there is no one who can deal with sick note people off work (idea is to get ailments validated / see if there’s other work you could do rather than be off work). Clearly b
ks and will never happen as you’d need an army of staff on top of the job centres and GPs you already have.And the over 12 month unemployed will be another tick box load of crap.
Be good if someone would actually do something genuine to help unemployed people rather than use them for rhetoric
As for getting long term unemployed back to work - job centres are terrible. Completely misguided help with cv's and skills focus, putting people on courses they have already done, using training providers that fail to deliver in terms of the certificates to prove the training has been done etc. They are much more interested in chastising a claimant for being 5 mins late to sign on and making sure they are totally inflexible on signing on days and job finding help. (Example - our village has a bus service that runs only on tuesday and thursday with one round trip on those days). If your NI number starts with NH you have to sign on on a monday. There is zero leeway. A return taxi would cost 75% of the job seekers allowance. How does this attitude help to get people engaged with job finding?
blueg33 said:
I have a team leader off sick, now been 3 months. The only reason its been that long is because there is a minimum 6 month waiting list for the treatment. The delay is not his fault, its the fault of the government and the total mismanagement of the NHS.
Yep, as I alluded to on the other thread there's many that want to work but they can't because of delays to treatment and even to get on path to treatment can be difficult and time consuming and meanwhile they have to claim benefits.Many on here will think this will address the shirkers, the ones that play the system but it won't. As much as the wealthy know their way around the tax system to pay as little as possible, the 'aggressive' benefit scroungers know how to play the benefits system so much better than those whose job it is to get them off benefits. It will make no difference to these people yet those who do rely on it and don't want to be on benefits will be hounded by some Capita drone with targets to meet and their lives will be made even more miserable.
blueg33 said:
I have a team leader off sick, now been 3 months. The only reason its been that long is because there is a minimum 6 month waiting list for the treatment. The delay is not his fault, its the fault of the government and the total mismanagement of the NHS.
As for getting long term unemployed back to work - job centres are terrible. Completely misguided help with cv's and skills focus, putting people on courses they have already done, using training providers that fail to deliver in terms of the certificates to prove the training has been done etc. They are much more interested in chastising a claimant for being 5 mins late to sign on and making sure they are totally inflexible on signing on days and job finding help. (Example - our village has a bus service that runs only on tuesday and thursday with one round trip on those days). If your NI number starts with NH you have to sign on on a monday. There is zero leeway. A return taxi would cost 75% of the job seekers allowance. How does this attitude help to get people engaged with job finding?
I went to a job centre after I left school thinking they would have adverts for jobs I could do over the summer. They did, but they also said I couldn't see them unless I registered for benefits first. As for getting long term unemployed back to work - job centres are terrible. Completely misguided help with cv's and skills focus, putting people on courses they have already done, using training providers that fail to deliver in terms of the certificates to prove the training has been done etc. They are much more interested in chastising a claimant for being 5 mins late to sign on and making sure they are totally inflexible on signing on days and job finding help. (Example - our village has a bus service that runs only on tuesday and thursday with one round trip on those days). If your NI number starts with NH you have to sign on on a monday. There is zero leeway. A return taxi would cost 75% of the job seekers allowance. How does this attitude help to get people engaged with job finding?
Campbell was suggesting that because the Tories have got literally nothing to go into the election with they're going for the negative in the hope that total voter despondency will help them.
Unlike 97 there is a total lack of optimism.
I don't think he's wrong either. I just hope it fails miserably for them.
Unlike 97 there is a total lack of optimism.
I don't think he's wrong either. I just hope it fails miserably for them.
smn159 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Seems odd to think that GPs and medical professionals aren’t the right people to be judging this stuff.
Presumably those who actually understand this stuff don't give the 'right' answers.Enemies of the people, obvs...
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:smn159 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Seems odd to think that GPs and medical professionals aren’t the right people to be judging this stuff.
Presumably those who actually understand this stuff don't give the 'right' answers.Enemies of the people, obvs...
CoolHands said:
Sad to see them take the familiar path of going after benefit scroungers etc. 2 new targets, sick note Britain and if you’ve been unemployed for more than 12 months.
Guaranteed there is no one who can deal with sick note people off work (idea is to get ailments validated / see if there’s other work you could do rather than be off work). Clearly bks and will never happen as you’d need an army of staff on top of the job centres and GPs you already have.
And the over 12 month unemployed will be another tick box load of crap.
Be good if someone would actually do something genuine to help unemployed people rather than use them for rhetoric
possibly go back to the old tick box scenario used, IIRC, 2000/2002 or around that time period. Didn’t use health professionals for the compulsory call up for the health checks, those on the benefits lost cash for non attendance. Tick box scenario ‘can you pick up the pencil from the floor?Guaranteed there is no one who can deal with sick note people off work (idea is to get ailments validated / see if there’s other work you could do rather than be off work). Clearly b
ks and will never happen as you’d need an army of staff on top of the job centres and GPs you already have.And the over 12 month unemployed will be another tick box load of crap.
Be good if someone would actually do something genuine to help unemployed people rather than use them for rhetoric
demonstration required. Can you stand on one leg? etc etc etc.
G4s or some such business had the contract to perform these ‘health checks’. ost concluded that the checks were heavily biased and deeply unfair on the attendee.
Now we are going back to something which will no doubt be based on the system that was discredited. Not sure how depression, anxiety or bad nerves will be assessed for severity and therefore unfit for work.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:smn159 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Seems odd to think that GPs and medical professionals aren’t the right people to be judging this stuff.
Presumably those who actually understand this stuff don't give the 'right' answers.Enemies of the people, obvs...
crankedup5 said:
You can’t get any support for mental health issues, see a GP,if you can get an appointment, and you will very likely end up with anti depressants medication. Counselling services and such like are almost non existent. From the reported numbers of people currently experiencing mental health issues and the lack of professional help available to these people it’s obvious what the outcomes usually are.
Precisely my point Cranked.So rather than demonising people as sitting "alone in the dark before a flickering screen watching as their dreams slip further from reach every single day" how about him telling us what his Government are going to do to help those people.
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