Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)
Discussion
Mortarboard said:
Citation needed
Doubly so, as part of the brexit deal had to be amended to allow NI to source meds from ROI, due to the difficulties obtaining them in GB....
M.
Seems strange, but bear in mind that poor old VS likes to cite Guido so presumably gets a deal of his objective data from the lovable Mr Staines. Just like the complete lie he posted about Rayner, lifted straight from Guido, pity he didn’t pop back once the error of his ways was pointed out to him, so don't hold your breath. Doubly so, as part of the brexit deal had to be amended to allow NI to source meds from ROI, due to the difficulties obtaining them in GB....
M.
Vanden Saab said:
Ah ha.
Likely is doing a lot of heavy lifting
Smoother product flow, you know the EU has had to take steps to prevent EU countries stockpiling?
Removing the UK from supply chains bearing in mind the supply problems it has hit Ireland harder and they are in the EU.
It does not say how much later but as it was only for 2023 probably days or weeks and no comment on medicines approved in the UK but not in the EU. Which is strange don't you think.
Not sure what social care workers have to do with medicines but may be you do
Lagging behind but no figures as to how much. A few days would be irrelevant.
All in all I guess Nuffields 'brexit lead' has to stay relevant somehow.
Likely is not a get out of jail free card for BrexitLikely is doing a lot of heavy lifting
Smoother product flow, you know the EU has had to take steps to prevent EU countries stockpiling?
Removing the UK from supply chains bearing in mind the supply problems it has hit Ireland harder and they are in the EU.
It does not say how much later but as it was only for 2023 probably days or weeks and no comment on medicines approved in the UK but not in the EU. Which is strange don't you think.
Not sure what social care workers have to do with medicines but may be you do
Lagging behind but no figures as to how much. A few days would be irrelevant.
All in all I guess Nuffields 'brexit lead' has to stay relevant somehow.
Mortarboard said:
Vanden Saab said:
Removing the UK from supply chains bearing in mind the supply problems it has hit Ireland harder and they are in the EU.
Citation needed Doubly so, as part of the brexit deal had to be amended to allow NI to source meds from ROI, due to the difficulties obtaining them in GB....
M.
Over 300 in Ireland compared to 111 at its highest in the uk.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0427/1446045-medicine...
The main problem in the UK seems to be that prices are generally lower here which means companies will favour places where they can get more money if they are short.
This is clearly see by the number of times the agency has to ok an emergency increase in pricing
732NM said:
I live jn Cambridgeshire, Cambridge and the surrounding area is booming with life sciences investment.
Great. I live in a house in the Cotswolds therefore everyone else does. You are not making a relevant point. It’s about comparative of investment and production and supply chains.
Deesee said:
Billions and Billions...per annum, more than the UK's former annual GNI EU bill... was per annum.. UK attracting and retaining investment, shudder..
Every year has been lower than 2016, and was even negative in 2018.https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countri...
M.
Mortarboard said:
Deesee said:
Billions and Billions...per annum, more than the UK's former annual GNI EU bill... was per annum.. UK attracting and retaining investment, shudder..
Every year has been lower than 2016, and was even negative in 2018.https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countri...
M.
Mrr T said:
Deesee said:
Mrr T said:
Deesee said:
Largest trading partner is the United States at 310b Germany is the next at 160b, there’s no ‘new’ friction there for the USA, goods of European Origin/UK Origin are tariff free between UK and EU.
We also maintain a large trading surplus with our largest trading partner (& are also are largest investor & for Us the country where we send the most investment) and have entered into talks with the individual states to promote free trade with individual states ie Texas, the Texan economy is around the size of Italys so would stand as a top 10 GNI ranked ‘economy’ by its self, it’s quite the win especially with our expertise in O&G, wind and space technology.
I used the word partner not country because in trade terms the EU is a single market. Obviously there is no new friction on trade with the US but there is with the EU.We also maintain a large trading surplus with our largest trading partner (& are also are largest investor & for Us the country where we send the most investment) and have entered into talks with the individual states to promote free trade with individual states ie Texas, the Texan economy is around the size of Italys so would stand as a top 10 GNI ranked ‘economy’ by its self, it’s quite the win especially with our expertise in O&G, wind and space technology.
As for the partner agreements with individual states other than a trip for the TS they have no value.
Anyway, I believe it’s 5 more states then it goes to congress..
& we don’t deal with the EU anymore, we deal with individual countries that may be have EC oversight and are bound by their regulations within the EU-UK trade agreement.
& remember UK exports have grown well to the EU and faster to the rest of the world since the Brexit vote.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uk-trade-...
UK exports
US 21.9%
EU/EEA 38.7%
UK imports
US 13.5%
EU/EEA 48.9%
All trade is on WTO terms. In addition, while there is no FTA with the US there are other treaty covering trade including a mutual recognition in some products.
It does not matter if the state agreements to Congress. Trade agreements are a federal matter.
What do we deal with individual sT countries on? Trade matters? Absolutely rubbish. Trade agreements are a EU competency.
All 'trade' is certainly not dealt with WTO terms, the UK has various fledgling trade agreements following withdrawal from the single market. Very early doors following the 'frankly' elongated and for both sides non commercial brexit 'deal'.
Im not of the opinion that the UK needs a FTA with the USA, enhanced trade yes/adjusted tariffs almost certainly, also id be happy if the EC gave the EU the ability to trade with the UK and return to previous terms enjoyed pre Maastricht (even if we moved to freedom of movement to the EEC 12 ..at a push..).. even if we paid a few quid, but, lol, that not going to happen.
732NM said:
I live jn Cambridgeshire, Cambridge and the surrounding area is booming with life sciences investment.
And every life science company is struggling with the same issues. Employing highly qualified people they need from Europe, exporting goods to Europe with the increased bureaucracy, and working with their European partners because their UK employees are restricted to the number days they can now work in Europe.Guess where I live and what industry I’m in
Mortarboard said:
Your reply didn't specify.
Good to know Cambridge is a net brexit winner then!
Is the investment due to the large numbers of smart immigrants there? Enquiring minds need to know...
M.
It was a quoted reply..Good to know Cambridge is a net brexit winner then!
Is the investment due to the large numbers of smart immigrants there? Enquiring minds need to know...
M.
South East is always a winner Brexit/no Brexit, easy reply to be honest, however IMO, levelling up needs to actually happen in the NE/NW/NI/Wales (SW too), there are some major projects going forwards but not enough, will be a very easy win for the next government for the populous in these regions to direct investment and jobs (as well as infrastructure), business and supply chains.
The UK does somethings very well, others not so much, in this case we are world leaders by attracting the highest investments, and the best talent... hope that helps..
To all the remainers on here, are you sure you want to rejoin?
https://unherd.com/2024/05/the-eu-is-turning-into-...
https://unherd.com/2024/05/the-eu-is-turning-into-...
272BHP said:
To all the remainers on here, are you sure you want to rejoin?
https://unherd.com/2024/05/the-eu-is-turning-into-...
Why do you think remainers want to rejoin?https://unherd.com/2024/05/the-eu-is-turning-into-...
Serious question.
M.
blueg33 said:
Great. I live in a house in the Cotswolds therefore everyone else does.
You are not making a relevant point. It’s about comparative of investment and production and supply chains.
It's completely relevant. UK and my area in particular is attracting massive investment and creating a world beating science hub. You are not making a relevant point. It’s about comparative of investment and production and supply chains.
Deesee said:
Mrr T said:
Deesee said:
Mrr T said:
Deesee said:
Largest trading partner is the United States at 310b Germany is the next at 160b, there’s no ‘new’ friction there for the USA, goods of European Origin/UK Origin are tariff free between UK and EU.
We also maintain a large trading surplus with our largest trading partner (& are also are largest investor & for Us the country where we send the most investment) and have entered into talks with the individual states to promote free trade with individual states ie Texas, the Texan economy is around the size of Italys so would stand as a top 10 GNI ranked ‘economy’ by its self, it’s quite the win especially with our expertise in O&G, wind and space technology.
I used the word partner not country because in trade terms the EU is a single market. Obviously there is no new friction on trade with the US but there is with the EU.We also maintain a large trading surplus with our largest trading partner (& are also are largest investor & for Us the country where we send the most investment) and have entered into talks with the individual states to promote free trade with individual states ie Texas, the Texan economy is around the size of Italys so would stand as a top 10 GNI ranked ‘economy’ by its self, it’s quite the win especially with our expertise in O&G, wind and space technology.
As for the partner agreements with individual states other than a trip for the TS they have no value.
Anyway, I believe it’s 5 more states then it goes to congress..
& we don’t deal with the EU anymore, we deal with individual countries that may be have EC oversight and are bound by their regulations within the EU-UK trade agreement.
& remember UK exports have grown well to the EU and faster to the rest of the world since the Brexit vote.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/uk-trade-...
UK exports
US 21.9%
EU/EEA 38.7%
UK imports
US 13.5%
EU/EEA 48.9%
All trade is on WTO terms. In addition, while there is no FTA with the US there are other treaty covering trade including a mutual recognition in some products.
It does not matter if the state agreements to Congress. Trade agreements are a federal matter.
What do we deal with individual sT countries on? Trade matters? Absolutely rubbish. Trade agreements are a EU competency.
All 'trade' is certainly not dealt with WTO terms, the UK has various fledgling trade agreements following withdrawal from the single market. Very early doors following the 'frankly' elongated and for both sides non commercial brexit 'deal'.
Im not of the opinion that the UK needs a FTA with the USA, enhanced trade yes/adjusted tariffs almost certainly, also id be happy if the EC gave the EU the ability to trade with the UK and return to previous terms enjoyed pre Maastricht (even if we moved to freedom of movement to the EEC 12 ..at a push..).. even if we paid a few quid, but, lol, that not going to happen.
All trade is on WTO terms because the WTO specifically allows for agreements to alter its base terms.
No agreement which limited FOML is certain countries would ever be agreed with the EU because it would never be ratified by all member states.
732NM said:
blueg33 said:
Great. I live in a house in the Cotswolds therefore everyone else does.
You are not making a relevant point. It’s about comparative of investment and production and supply chains.
It's completely relevant. UK and my area in particular is attracting massive investment and creating a world beating science hub. You are not making a relevant point. It’s about comparative of investment and production and supply chains.
If your argument held any water, then Nuffield wouldn't be reporting the problems, they would be saying "woohoo, no drug shortages, we produce all we need in the UK using UK sourced raw materials"
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