The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread
Discussion
red_slr said:
I keep saying it over and over again but the British public seem to think they know better.
We might not know better, but we certainly do it better. As do virtually all other 'western' countries.Blaming video games, when all the other countries in the top 10 users of video games have hardly any mass shootings, shows that even those in charge know they are doing something wrong. If everyone else has cracked it, it's the time to look at others to see how they do it, rather than saying, over and over again, that you've got it right, and something/someone else is at fault.
Derek Smith said:
red_slr said:
I keep saying it over and over again but the British public seem to think they know better.
We might not know better, but we certainly do it better. As do virtually all other 'western' countries.Blaming video games, when all the other countries in the top 10 users of video games have hardly any mass shootings, shows that even those in charge know they are doing something wrong. If everyone else has cracked it, it's the time to look at others to see how they do it, rather than saying, over and over again, that you've got it right, and something/someone else is at fault.
I was referring to the "AR 15 for hunting? No way." post.
I have quoted below for reference.
As I say, people in the UK seem to *know* everything about US gun laws when in reality they know probably as close to nothing as is possible. Hunting in the US is actually quite restricted and the laws are complex. Very, very few British people will be able to even tell you some of the most basic rules and regulations, but they are able to make statements such as "no way" would you ever use an AR for hunting, when in fact its very, very popular in some parts of the US for exactly that!
As for video games, no idea, not something I have commented on in this thread as I know little about them.
Very very common, especially in the south.
Common to see hunters driving round on trucks at night shooting hogs. Even helicopters day or night, its big business as the hogs cause a lot of damage to crops. Hogs and deer are the 2 most hunted animals in the US and both are regularly shot with .223 although 300BLK and SPC are very popular too.
That said for AR the .450BM is now a very popular platform in some states. This is because many states prohibit bottle neck cartridges.
And this is the problem, Brits tend to think they know what they are talking about when it comes to US gun laws but they really really don't as its a complex area of US law especially more so as soon as you start hunting. There are rifle zones, mag limits, cartridge limits, ammunition restrictions, time restrictions, clothing restrictions etc etc.
So saying, no way you could use an AR15 to hunt with would literally get you laughed out of any gun shop in the USA.
I keep saying it over and over again but the British public seem to think they know better.
I have quoted below for reference.
As I say, people in the UK seem to *know* everything about US gun laws when in reality they know probably as close to nothing as is possible. Hunting in the US is actually quite restricted and the laws are complex. Very, very few British people will be able to even tell you some of the most basic rules and regulations, but they are able to make statements such as "no way" would you ever use an AR for hunting, when in fact its very, very popular in some parts of the US for exactly that!
As for video games, no idea, not something I have commented on in this thread as I know little about them.
red_slr said:
rambo19 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Suitable. but there is an obvious advantage in using a semi automatic.
I've only done target shooting but from using both I'd choose to shoot an AR-15 type rather than a Bolt action Lee Enfield given the choice.
AR-15 for hunting? No way.I've only done target shooting but from using both I'd choose to shoot an AR-15 type rather than a Bolt action Lee Enfield given the choice.
Common to see hunters driving round on trucks at night shooting hogs. Even helicopters day or night, its big business as the hogs cause a lot of damage to crops. Hogs and deer are the 2 most hunted animals in the US and both are regularly shot with .223 although 300BLK and SPC are very popular too.
That said for AR the .450BM is now a very popular platform in some states. This is because many states prohibit bottle neck cartridges.
And this is the problem, Brits tend to think they know what they are talking about when it comes to US gun laws but they really really don't as its a complex area of US law especially more so as soon as you start hunting. There are rifle zones, mag limits, cartridge limits, ammunition restrictions, time restrictions, clothing restrictions etc etc.
So saying, no way you could use an AR15 to hunt with would literally get you laughed out of any gun shop in the USA.
I keep saying it over and over again but the British public seem to think they know better.
red_slr said:
I was referring to the "AR 15 for hunting? No way." post.
I have quoted below for reference.
As I say, people in the UK seem to *know* everything about US gun laws when in reality they know probably as close to nothing as is possible. Hunting in the US is actually quite restricted and the laws are complex. Very, very few British people will be able to even tell you some of the most basic rules and regulations, but they are able to make statements such as "no way" would you ever use an AR for hunting, when in fact its very, very popular in some parts of the US for exactly that!
As for video games, no idea, not something I have commented on in this thread as I know little about them.
Very very common, especially in the south.
Common to see hunters driving round on trucks at night shooting hogs. Even helicopters day or night, its big business as the hogs cause a lot of damage to crops. Hogs and deer are the 2 most hunted animals in the US and both are regularly shot with .223 although 300BLK and SPC are very popular too.
That said for AR the .450BM is now a very popular platform in some states. This is because many states prohibit bottle neck cartridges.
And this is the problem, Brits tend to think they know what they are talking about when it comes to US gun laws but they really really don't as its a complex area of US law especially more so as soon as you start hunting. There are rifle zones, mag limits, cartridge limits, ammunition restrictions, time restrictions, clothing restrictions etc etc.
So saying, no way you could use an AR15 to hunt with would literally get you laughed out of any gun shop in the USA.
I keep saying it over and over again but the British public seem to think they know better.
If it's so great for hunting, then they could introduce a scheme like our shotgun licensing one.I have quoted below for reference.
As I say, people in the UK seem to *know* everything about US gun laws when in reality they know probably as close to nothing as is possible. Hunting in the US is actually quite restricted and the laws are complex. Very, very few British people will be able to even tell you some of the most basic rules and regulations, but they are able to make statements such as "no way" would you ever use an AR for hunting, when in fact its very, very popular in some parts of the US for exactly that!
As for video games, no idea, not something I have commented on in this thread as I know little about them.
red_slr said:
rambo19 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Suitable. but there is an obvious advantage in using a semi automatic.
I've only done target shooting but from using both I'd choose to shoot an AR-15 type rather than a Bolt action Lee Enfield given the choice.
AR-15 for hunting? No way.I've only done target shooting but from using both I'd choose to shoot an AR-15 type rather than a Bolt action Lee Enfield given the choice.
Common to see hunters driving round on trucks at night shooting hogs. Even helicopters day or night, its big business as the hogs cause a lot of damage to crops. Hogs and deer are the 2 most hunted animals in the US and both are regularly shot with .223 although 300BLK and SPC are very popular too.
That said for AR the .450BM is now a very popular platform in some states. This is because many states prohibit bottle neck cartridges.
And this is the problem, Brits tend to think they know what they are talking about when it comes to US gun laws but they really really don't as its a complex area of US law especially more so as soon as you start hunting. There are rifle zones, mag limits, cartridge limits, ammunition restrictions, time restrictions, clothing restrictions etc etc.
So saying, no way you could use an AR15 to hunt with would literally get you laughed out of any gun shop in the USA.
I keep saying it over and over again but the British public seem to think they know better.
All the other items you mention (time limits, mag sizes,etc) are restriction on how and where you hunt, not on what you can buy. Texas, for example, has no magazine size limit.
red_slr said:
I was referring to the "AR 15 for hunting? No way." post.
I have quoted below for reference.
As I say, people in the UK seem to *know* everything about US gun laws when in reality they know probably as close to nothing as is possible. Hunting in the US is actually quite restricted and the laws are complex. Very, very few British people will be able to even tell you some of the most basic rules and regulations, but they are able to make statements such as "no way" would you ever use an AR for hunting, when in fact its very, very popular in some parts of the US for exactly that!
As for video games, no idea, not something I have commented on in this thread as I know little about them.
Very very common, especially in the south.
Common to see hunters driving round on trucks at night shooting hogs. Even helicopters day or night, its big business as the hogs cause a lot of damage to crops. Hogs and deer are the 2 most hunted animals in the US and both are regularly shot with .223 although 300BLK and SPC are very popular too.
Is there not some contradiction in there? You say hunting is very restricted, and the laws quite complex, then say that its 'common to see hunters driving round on trucks. Even helicopters, day and night.' I have quoted below for reference.
As I say, people in the UK seem to *know* everything about US gun laws when in reality they know probably as close to nothing as is possible. Hunting in the US is actually quite restricted and the laws are complex. Very, very few British people will be able to even tell you some of the most basic rules and regulations, but they are able to make statements such as "no way" would you ever use an AR for hunting, when in fact its very, very popular in some parts of the US for exactly that!
As for video games, no idea, not something I have commented on in this thread as I know little about them.
red_slr said:
rambo19 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Suitable. but there is an obvious advantage in using a semi automatic.
I've only done target shooting but from using both I'd choose to shoot an AR-15 type rather than a Bolt action Lee Enfield given the choice.
AR-15 for hunting? No way.I've only done target shooting but from using both I'd choose to shoot an AR-15 type rather than a Bolt action Lee Enfield given the choice.
Common to see hunters driving round on trucks at night shooting hogs. Even helicopters day or night, its big business as the hogs cause a lot of damage to crops. Hogs and deer are the 2 most hunted animals in the US and both are regularly shot with .223 although 300BLK and SPC are very popular too.
And irrespective of hunting being restricted, there is a large availability of weapons which allows members of the public to own and use them, regardless of their intention of hunting or not.
In 2018 14,700 people died from firearms; so far this year 9,900 deaths have involved firearms. By contrast there have been 6,800 US service personal killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined, in operations over 18 years.
Condi said:
In 2018 14,700 people died from firearms; so far this year 9,900 deaths have involved firearms. By contrast there have been 6,800 US service personal killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined, in operations over 18 years.
Of that 14,700 around 350-450 are homicides committed with *any* rifle (so could be AR15, Ruger 10-22, Remington 700, M&P15-22 etc etc). Can you now see why the vast majority of US gun owners oppose restrictions on rifles? There are 4 to 5 times more people murdered with knives in the USA than rifles.
Everyone is focusing on the wrong firearm.
hstewie said:red_slr said:
Condi said:
In 2018 14,700 people died from firearms; so far this year 9,900 deaths have involved firearms. By contrast there have been 6,800 US service personal killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined, in operations over 18 years.
Of that 14,700 around 350-450 are homicides committed with *any* rifle (so could be AR15, Ruger 10-22, Remington 700, M&P15-22 etc etc). Can you now see why the vast majority of US gun owners oppose restrictions on rifles? There are 4 to 5 times more people murdered with knives in the USA than rifles.
Everyone is focusing on the wrong firearm.
red_slr said:
Condi said:
In 2018 14,700 people died from firearms; so far this year 9,900 deaths have involved firearms. By contrast there have been 6,800 US service personal killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined, in operations over 18 years.
Of that 14,700 around 350-450 are homicides committed with *any* rifle (so could be AR15, Ruger 10-22, Remington 700, M&P15-22 etc etc). Can you now see why the vast majority of US gun owners oppose restrictions on rifles? There are 4 to 5 times more people murdered with knives in the USA than rifles.
Everyone is focusing on the wrong firearm.
rscott said:
red_slr said:
Condi said:
In 2018 14,700 people died from firearms; so far this year 9,900 deaths have involved firearms. By contrast there have been 6,800 US service personal killed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined, in operations over 18 years.
Of that 14,700 around 350-450 are homicides committed with *any* rifle (so could be AR15, Ruger 10-22, Remington 700, M&P15-22 etc etc). Can you now see why the vast majority of US gun owners oppose restrictions on rifles? There are 4 to 5 times more people murdered with knives in the USA than rifles.
Everyone is focusing on the wrong firearm.
Rifles are not used most frequently in mass shootings. Hand guns are.
In 114 Mass shootings analysed over 37 years the following number of firearms were used
Handguns = 141
Rifles = 53
Shotguns = 30
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