Honour killings
Discussion
Deva Link said:
smegmore said:
Pesty said:
Edits my memory failed my appologies.
Although British Pakistanis account for three per cent of the births in this country, they are responsible for 33 per cent of the 15 to 20,000 children born each year with genetic defects.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259401/Ba...
Incestuous stone age Although British Pakistanis account for three per cent of the births in this country, they are responsible for 33 per cent of the 15 to 20,000 children born each year with genetic defects.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1259401/Ba...
sjust me said:
anonymous said:
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What money? My father is a Kuwaiti Muslim. He is one of only a handful of his 28 (half)brothers and (half)sisters not to marry a 1st or 2nd cousin. 2 generations of his family have inter-married, birth defects became so common that the elders finally realised that they needed to allow the children of the second generation to marry outside of the bloodline.
This sick inter-marrying went on despite the fact that many of my male and female cousins are doctors and scientists.
It's gross stone age thinking that whilst AIUI not mandated within Islam, seems to be the practice of many Islamic cultures.
Edited by Marf on Saturday 4th August 10:55
anonymous said:
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They should be sent off to Saudi Arabia, extremely tolerant of Muslim practices, but only Muslim. Oil for people programme anyone?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_i...
anonymous said:
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That's true although Judge Evans had a lot of cutting comments and stinging words for the surviving members of the family in his sentencing speech. Words such as "sealed cultural environment" of rural Pakistan rather than modern Britain" ; "sealed cultural environment separate from the culture of the country in which she lived was unrealistic, destructive and cruel" ; "unlikely to be able to avoid the legacy of her upbringing," ; "while it was impossible to tell whether their son Junyad, who continued to back them, was either doing so out of "filial affection or the result of the warped values you instilled in him." ; "You objected to her wearing western clothes and you objected to her having contact with boys. She was being squeezed between two cultures, the culture and way of life that she saw around her and wanted to embrace, and the culture and way of life you wanted to impose on her,"Now their names have been revealed, I can only guess their lives will not be the same any more. The deceased's sister Mevish works as a loans manager for a major bank so I wonder whether the bank's customers will avoid dealing with her? Also the brother wanted his name kept out of the trial but his request was refused, so again, I bet his life will not be the same any more now the facts are out in the public domain.
Nonetheless, it is sad that it came to this and honour killings has absolutely no room in civilised society.
BruceV8 said:
As a nation, we are proud of being tolerant but, historically, that only went so far. We used to know how to deal with situations when other cultures' values clashed with ours. For example, Suttee - the Hindu practice of burning a widow with her husand's body - was once defended on the grounds of it being a people's custom, or as we would now say, their 'culture':
Loving that quote, more apt a couple of centuries ago when the state had the ultimate deterrent available to it, still very relevant in someways though. General Sir Charles Napier said:
"Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs."
What was so wrong with that?jas xjr said:
The reason behind the killing , apparently , was defending the family name . Not bringing shame on the family . So when killing your daughter did it not occur to you that being sent to jail for murder might harm the family name ?
Sadly, in some quarters today there two will be seen as having been treated 'unjustly'.The sadder side of this though is that there are many families from all foreign nations who do integrate very well with the cultures and beliefs of this nation. To me it seems a pity that the actions of a few prejudice the name of a great many, who today will be just as horrified and in many ways far more ashamed and angry of the ignorant village mentality actions that lead to the death of this and many more young women.
Marf said:
just me said:
anonymous said:
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What money? My father is a Kuwaiti Muslim. He is one of only a handful of his 28 (half)brothers and (half)sisters not to marry a 1st or 2nd cousin. 2 generations of his family have inter-married, birth defects became so common that the elders finally realised that they needed to allow the children of the second generation to marry outside of the bloodline.
This sick inter-marrying went on despite the fact that many of my male and female cousins are doctors and scientists.
It's gross stone age thinking that whilst AIUI not mandated within Islam, seems to be the practice of many Islamic cultures.
Edited by Marf on Saturday 4th August 10:55
vsonix said:
TBH I don't think it's only a Muslim thing, half my family is Orthodox Christian from a similar part of the world and I've heard that a lot of marrying of cousins and kids having odd defects went on. Fair play to my old man for getting out of that madness and marrying a fit foreigner, heheh.
You think your own mother is 'fit'?
skinley said:
vsonix said:
TBH I don't think it's only a Muslim thing, half my family is Orthodox Christian from a similar part of the world and I've heard that a lot of marrying of cousins and kids having odd defects went on. Fair play to my old man for getting out of that madness and marrying a fit foreigner, heheh.
You think your own mother is 'fit'?obob said:
skinley said:
vsonix said:
TBH I don't think it's only a Muslim thing, half my family is Orthodox Christian from a similar part of the world and I've heard that a lot of marrying of cousins and kids having odd defects went on. Fair play to my old man for getting out of that madness and marrying a fit foreigner, heheh.
You think your own mother is 'fit'?now back to your mum....
pics or GTFO
It is a bizarre situation, and one that really should be easily rectified, if not for the continuing sowing of these ridiculous 'cultural' themes. Agree with the Judge entirely. If you do not want to integrate, and embrace the UK laws and expectations, then do not go there. Remain in your 3rd world country where you are 'free' to do such things.
The world is Barmy. It is the 21st century, and we still have barmy things like this. To think that the Islamic world, and region was once the hub of education, and knowledge. There really are a backwards people when these things are considered the norm.
The world is Barmy. It is the 21st century, and we still have barmy things like this. To think that the Islamic world, and region was once the hub of education, and knowledge. There really are a backwards people when these things are considered the norm.
TheHeretic said:
Hence why I said region. Interesting to note that people seem to disassociate Islam, and the culture. They are intertwined in my opinion, just as religion is part of the UK culture.
Agreed. But often, when people say they want Shariah enforced, what they really mean is they want their tribal customs enshrined in law. The idea that there is more shame attached to having a flighty daughter than there is to being a murderer is what stands out here. If they want to live by the rules of rural Pakistan, why don't just live in rural Pakistan?
BruceV8 said:
Agreed. But often, when people say they want Shariah enforced, what they really mean is they want their tribal customs enshrined in law.
The idea that there is more shame attached to having a flighty daughter than there is to being a murderer is what stands out here. If they want to live by the rules of rural Pakistan, why don't just live in rural Pakistan?
Agree entirely. All the trappings of the west, but wish to retain the barbaric, brutal customs from their home in Pakistan. Anybody not born in Britain, undertaking such things, should be either sent to prison, or sent back to Pakistan. Zero tolerance.The idea that there is more shame attached to having a flighty daughter than there is to being a murderer is what stands out here. If they want to live by the rules of rural Pakistan, why don't just live in rural Pakistan?
TheHeretic said:
Anybody not born in Britain, undertaking such things, should be either sent to prison, or sent back to Pakistan. Zero tolerance.
Anyone undertaking such acts on behalf of their imaginary friends should be jailed, for a very long time indeed. Whether they can be deported afterwards is a different question.TheHeretic said:
Agree entirely. All the trappings of the west, but wish to retain the barbaric, brutal customs from their home in Pakistan. Anybody not born in Britain, undertaking such things, should be either sent to prison, or sent back to in Pakistan. Zero tolerance.
EFA for a win-win situation, the perpetrator in an environment he can relate to and less cost for us.Officially, the government, police and judicial system of Pakistan takes the same view on this as us. As do, I suspect, most urban educated Pakistanis. But the justice system there is so slow, inefficient and corrupt thats its writ does not run in large parts of the country. It is common for a wealthy landowner or tribal jirga to act as a court and for the police to turn a blind eye or even encourage this. And thats before we get to the Pakistani Taliban ....
Edited by BruceV8 on Monday 6th August 21:50
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