Islam and the West
Discussion
I'm not sure if your response is serious or not. No, I do not hold all Muslims responsible. Where have I said I do?
The fact remains that under Islamic law, the punishment for apostasy or blasphemy is death. That has been true for 1400 years and remains true today. Even to question the word of Mohammad, as written in the Quran, is to commit blasphemy.
Far from being an isolated case, death (often administered by mob) for blasphemy, apostasy, homosexuality and adultary remains a threat and a regular occurrence across the Islamic world. In particular the punishment for apostasy has been the modus operandi for Islam to grow the Ummah.
The fact remains that under Islamic law, the punishment for apostasy or blasphemy is death. That has been true for 1400 years and remains true today. Even to question the word of Mohammad, as written in the Quran, is to commit blasphemy.
Far from being an isolated case, death (often administered by mob) for blasphemy, apostasy, homosexuality and adultary remains a threat and a regular occurrence across the Islamic world. In particular the punishment for apostasy has been the modus operandi for Islam to grow the Ummah.
supersingle said:
I'm not sure if your response is serious or not. No, I do not hold all Muslims responsible. Where have I said I do?
The fact remains that under Islamic law, the punishment for apostasy or blasphemy is death.
Care to back that up with links to the Quran?The fact remains that under Islamic law, the punishment for apostasy or blasphemy is death.
I thought the Quran states that there is no compulsion in religion.
supersingle said:
I'm not sure if your response is serious or not. No, I do not hold all Muslims responsible. Where have I said I do?
The fact remains that under Islamic law, the punishment for apostasy or blasphemy is death. That has been true for 1400 years and remains true today. Even to question the word of Mohammad, as written in the Quran, is to commit blasphemy.
Far from being an isolated case, death (often administered by mob) for blasphemy, apostasy, homosexuality and adultary remains a threat and a regular occurrence across the Islamic world. In particular the punishment for apostasy has been the modus operandi for Islam to grow the Ummah.
And that is why there is no voice from moderate muslims. They are scared literally of putting their head above the parapet.The fact remains that under Islamic law, the punishment for apostasy or blasphemy is death. That has been true for 1400 years and remains true today. Even to question the word of Mohammad, as written in the Quran, is to commit blasphemy.
Far from being an isolated case, death (often administered by mob) for blasphemy, apostasy, homosexuality and adultary remains a threat and a regular occurrence across the Islamic world. In particular the punishment for apostasy has been the modus operandi for Islam to grow the Ummah.
As an Indian who was brain washed under the Indian education system and who is now British.
There was no India. There was warring kingdoms with the longest single largest area being held under the Mughal Muslim kings.
Later it went back to warring little kingdoms again. The East India company who were merchant banker mercenaries came to India, just like the Portuguese and the French. EIC started trading with the small kings and got them into debt by helping them go to war with other kings and effectively took control.
The British parliament took over the 'raj' when the British people objected to the conduct of the EIC. this conduct was the seed of independence that later developed as a movement. The British raj was one of the most important part of the development of India as a nation, but we all need a bogey man, so British became that target.
Within the movement for independence, came the power struggle of politicians. Socialist, secular, Hindu Nehru Vs Muslim Jinnah. The political football was going crazy and this created huge Hindu Vs Muslim tensions which were practically non existent earlier. The British were broke after WW2 and could not fund the governance of a large colony like India. So how do you get out? Call Gandhi over and hand over the keys to him.
Gandhi tried to keep India a secular undivided state, but finally had to give in to the 2 state solution because of politics between Nehru and Jinnah. Secular India and Muslim Pakistan is born. India moves forward progressively , Pakistan lives on Islamic ideology struggling to control Bangladesh.
Kashmir was an independent kingdom ruled by a Hindu king with a majority Muslim population. Fearing Pakistan, the king decided to accede into secular India so the minority Hindus would not be ill treated and majority Muslims will be treated equally. Pakistan wants it, Chinese covet it, Kashmiris want independence, India won't give up a strategic geographic area.
I'm sure you can all figure out the rest.
There was no India. There was warring kingdoms with the longest single largest area being held under the Mughal Muslim kings.
Later it went back to warring little kingdoms again. The East India company who were merchant banker mercenaries came to India, just like the Portuguese and the French. EIC started trading with the small kings and got them into debt by helping them go to war with other kings and effectively took control.
The British parliament took over the 'raj' when the British people objected to the conduct of the EIC. this conduct was the seed of independence that later developed as a movement. The British raj was one of the most important part of the development of India as a nation, but we all need a bogey man, so British became that target.
Within the movement for independence, came the power struggle of politicians. Socialist, secular, Hindu Nehru Vs Muslim Jinnah. The political football was going crazy and this created huge Hindu Vs Muslim tensions which were practically non existent earlier. The British were broke after WW2 and could not fund the governance of a large colony like India. So how do you get out? Call Gandhi over and hand over the keys to him.
Gandhi tried to keep India a secular undivided state, but finally had to give in to the 2 state solution because of politics between Nehru and Jinnah. Secular India and Muslim Pakistan is born. India moves forward progressively , Pakistan lives on Islamic ideology struggling to control Bangladesh.
Kashmir was an independent kingdom ruled by a Hindu king with a majority Muslim population. Fearing Pakistan, the king decided to accede into secular India so the minority Hindus would not be ill treated and majority Muslims will be treated equally. Pakistan wants it, Chinese covet it, Kashmiris want independence, India won't give up a strategic geographic area.
I'm sure you can all figure out the rest.
Alpinestars said:
supersingle said:
I'm not sure if your response is serious or not. No, I do not hold all Muslims responsible. Where have I said I do?
The fact remains that under Islamic law, the punishment for apostasy or blasphemy is death.
Care to back that up with links to the Quran?The fact remains that under Islamic law, the punishment for apostasy or blasphemy is death.
I thought the Quran states that there is no compulsion in religion.
As for 'no compulsion in Islam' , it means that nobody can be forced to have faith as faith comes from within. That doesn't mean you can't be executed for renouncing islam, or be treated as subhuman for being Hindu, or be expected to pay the Jisya if you're Christian or Jewish.
supersingle said:
Google it for yourself, it's all over the Quran and Hadiths.
I'm sure I could find support for any argument I like on Google. Perhaps you could point me to the verses of the Quran. In the meantime
Deuteronomy 17:2-5
New International Version (NIV)
2 If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the Lord gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the Lord your God in violation of his covenant, 3 and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars in the sky, 4 and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death.
Edited by Alpinestars on Thursday 12th June 23:45
Alpinestars said:
supersingle said:
Google it for yourself, it's all over the Quran and Hadiths.
I'm sure I could find support for any argument I like on Google. Perhaps you could point me to the verses of the Quran. It's fairly unambiguous and it's the usual verse from the Qur'an used to justify death to apostates but there are many others especially in the various Hadiths. The Hadiths vary between different schools of Islam and not everyone agrees on the fitting punishment. Ahmadiyya don't punish apostasy at all, but the vast majority of the Islamic world punishes it with death. Those using oil money to push Wahhabi Islam in the West are ultra-conservative. No prizes for guessing how they deal with apostates.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
supersingle said:
IMO Islam is a wicked totalitarian ideology which sanctions all kinds of barbarism.
Have you read the bible or the torah? They ain't any different. supersingle said:
Qur'an Surah 4. An-Nisa, Ayah 89 or Qur'an 4:89 "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-".
It's fairly unambiguous and it's the usual verse from the Qur'an used to justify death to apostates but there are many others especially in the various Hadiths. The Hadiths vary between different schools of Islam and not everyone agrees on the fitting punishment. Ahmadiyya don't punish apostasy at all, but the vast majority of the Islamic world punishes it with death. Those using oil money to push Wahhabi Islam in the West are ultra-conservative. No prizes for guessing how they deal with apostates.
4.90. If they withdraw from you and do not fight against you, and offer you peace, then God allows you no way (to war) against them. It's fairly unambiguous and it's the usual verse from the Qur'an used to justify death to apostates but there are many others especially in the various Hadiths. The Hadiths vary between different schools of Islam and not everyone agrees on the fitting punishment. Ahmadiyya don't punish apostasy at all, but the vast majority of the Islamic world punishes it with death. Those using oil money to push Wahhabi Islam in the West are ultra-conservative. No prizes for guessing how they deal with apostates.
Say: "Oh, you who disbelieve!
"I do not worship that which you worship,
"Nor do you worship That Which I worship.
"Nor will I worship that which you have been worshipping,
"Neither will you worship That Which I worship.
"To you your religion and to me mine."
Alpinestars said:
supersingle said:
Qur'an Surah 4. An-Nisa, Ayah 89 or Qur'an 4:89 "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-".
It's fairly unambiguous and it's the usual verse from the Qur'an used to justify death to apostates but there are many others especially in the various Hadiths. The Hadiths vary between different schools of Islam and not everyone agrees on the fitting punishment. Ahmadiyya don't punish apostasy at all, but the vast majority of the Islamic world punishes it with death. Those using oil money to push Wahhabi Islam in the West are ultra-conservative. No prizes for guessing how they deal with apostates.
4.90. If they withdraw from you and do not fight against you, and offer you peace, then God allows you no way (to war) against them. It's fairly unambiguous and it's the usual verse from the Qur'an used to justify death to apostates but there are many others especially in the various Hadiths. The Hadiths vary between different schools of Islam and not everyone agrees on the fitting punishment. Ahmadiyya don't punish apostasy at all, but the vast majority of the Islamic world punishes it with death. Those using oil money to push Wahhabi Islam in the West are ultra-conservative. No prizes for guessing how they deal with apostates.
Say: "Oh, you who disbelieve!
"I do not worship that which you worship,
"Nor do you worship That Which I worship.
"Nor will I worship that which you have been worshipping,
"Neither will you worship That Which I worship.
"To you your religion and to me mine."
4.91 You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.
supersingle said:
Next verse:
4.91 You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.
Are you missing the point here? Those verses clearly refer to war and clearly state that if an enemy does not withdraw or offer peace then action is allowed. That's eminently sensible isn't it?4.91 You will find others who desire that they should be safe from you and secure from their own people; as often as they are sent back to the mischief they get thrown into it headlong; therefore if they do not withdraw from you, and (do not) offer you peace and restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and against these We have given.you a clear authority.
And have have ignored the fact that conversion to religion is absolutely not required. And Deuteronomy?
supersingle said:
There's a woman named Mariam Yehya Ibrahim who's in prison in Sudan at the moment. Her crime? Apostasy!
She's a Christian who refuses to renounce her faith but because her father was Muslim she is considered Muslim. Proclaiming her Christianity is her crime.
She was turned in to police by Muslim members of her family whilst heavily pregnant. In prison she has given birth to a girl who she will be allowed to raise for two years. Marian will then be hanged. The child will no doubt be raised a Muslim.
This is all in accordance with Islamic law and far from a unique occurance. IMO Islam is a wicked totalitarian ideology which sanctions all kinds of barbarism. Both Muslims and non-Muslims are justified in fearing it.
Hmmm. She's a Christian who refuses to renounce her faith but because her father was Muslim she is considered Muslim. Proclaiming her Christianity is her crime.
She was turned in to police by Muslim members of her family whilst heavily pregnant. In prison she has given birth to a girl who she will be allowed to raise for two years. Marian will then be hanged. The child will no doubt be raised a Muslim.
This is all in accordance with Islamic law and far from a unique occurance. IMO Islam is a wicked totalitarian ideology which sanctions all kinds of barbarism. Both Muslims and non-Muslims are justified in fearing it.
You would think that a mother would care more about her child than being a Christian. Can't you see that in your example, Christianity is equally to blame?
She is sacrificing the well being of her child for her religion. That religion is clearly evil.
Or maybe she is just a backward jub in a country of backward jubs who are busy being backward and using whatever they can find to help them be backward?
Edited by DonkeyApple on Friday 13th June 07:46
Alpinestars said:
supersingle said:
Google it for yourself, it's all over the Quran and Hadiths.
I'm sure I could find support for any argument I like on Google. Perhaps you could point me to the verses of the Quran. In the meantime
Deuteronomy 17:2-5
New International Version (NIV)
2 If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the Lord gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the Lord your God in violation of his covenant, 3 and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars in the sky, 4 and this has been brought to your attention, then you must investigate it thoroughly. If it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death.
Edited by Alpinestars on Thursday 12th June 23:45
k-all times and oooh I don't know fk-all times... yet the issues with Islam and apostasy is a biggie, even todayirocfan said:
well done - and exactly how often has this actually happened recently? I'd say it's likely to be between fk-all times and oooh I don't know fk-all times... yet the issues with Islam and apostasy is a biggie, even today
It is interesting though isn't it. k-all times and oooh I don't know fk-all times... yet the issues with Islam and apostasy is a biggie, even todayI'm sure the irony of "Christians" not upholding the Bibe (by not stoning non believers) and "Muslims" not upholding the Quran (apostacy is not in the Quran, but makes it's way into Middle Eastern man made "laws" via Hadith) is not wasted on you.
supersingle said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
supersingle said:
IMO Islam is a wicked totalitarian ideology which sanctions all kinds of barbarism.
Have you read the bible or the torah? They ain't any different. Is it the Islamic god called "Allah" of the Koran or the Christian/Judean God, "Yahweh," of the Holy Bible? Answer the questions below correctly to prove you know whose God is more vicious!
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1. Whose god has promised the cruelest fate for people of different religions?
A. The Islamic god, because the Christian god would never harm anyone simply because he was raised in a different religion.
B. The Islamic god because he curses anyone who does not believe in him.
C. The Christian god because he condemns non-Christians to everlasting destruction.
D. Both are equally vicious. Both gods have utter disdain for all other religions and condemn the followers of those faiths to eternal damnation.
2. Whose god orders the most violent plight for nonbelievers while on Earth?
A. Neither. Neither god believes in violence.
B. Neither. While both gods will punish nonbelievers on Judgment Day, neither prescribes harming them while on Earth.
C. The Christian god because he ordered his followers to kill all those of a different religion, including family members, friends and even their cattle, whereas the Islamic god simply required the enslaving of nonbelievers.
D. Both gods issued equally violent orders.
3. Whose god orders the cruelest warfare?
A. Neither god speaks of cruelty in warfare.
B. Obviously, the Islamic god, since the Christian god never endorsed warfare.
C. The Islamic god because he ordered his followers to imprison and enslave their enemies temporarily.
D. The Christian god because he ordered his followers to kill all the men in the towns they invaded, enslaving only the women and children (who sometimes were to be slaughtered as well, along with every other living thing in sight).
4. Whose god has the least pity and most contempt for the enemies of his followers?
A. The Islamic god because the Christian god advocates nonviolence and continuous forgiveness.
B. The Christian god because he orders his followers to kill all their enemies, regardless of their actions, without pity.
C. The Christian god because the Islamic god forbids his followers from striking enemies who do not fight and orders peace with those desiring it.
D. B and C.
5. Whose god has more contempt for homosexuals?
A. The Islamic god, because the Christian god judges people on how they treat others and not on their sexual orientation.
B. The Christian god because he demands that homosexuals be killed whereas the Islamic god, though demanding punishment of homosexuals, spares those ultimately intimidated into suppressing their natural passions.
C. The Christian god because he condemns homosexuals to Hell whereas the Islamic god promises resurrected men beautiful young boys in Heaven.
D. B and C.
6. Whose god has prescribed the more vicious physical punishment of sinners?
A. The Islamic god because the Christian god never told His people to harm anyone physically.
B. The Islamic god because he ordered his followers to apply more lashes to sinners than the Christian god did.
C. The Christian god because he actually ordered the greater level of beating.
D. Both gods ordered the same level of violence to be perpetrated against those who violated the gods’ arbitrary edicts.
7. Whose god should you fear most?
A. The Islamic god because the Christian god is not to be feared at all.
B. The Islamic god because he deserves to be feared.
C. The Christian god because while Allah may be worthy of fear, God not only kills those who rub Him the wrong way but sends them to Hell as well.
D. They’re both equally terrifying.
8. Whose god places the least value on the lives of women?
A. Neither. Both gods view women and men as equally important.
B. The Islamic god, for he says females deserve less than males.
C. The Christian god, for he places lesser value on the lives of women.
D. This is basically a draw. Both gods view women as far less worthwhile than men.
9. Whose god puts women in their place with the harshest of restrictions on their speech?
A. The Islamic god because the Christian god recognizes the equality of the genders and allows women to speak in any forum.
B. The Christian god, for he requires women to learn in silence and forbids them to speak in church.
C. The Christian god because he forbids women to teach, requiring them to learn from their husbands, whereas the Islamic god allows women to speak out against their husbands and he hears their complaints.
D. B and C.
10. Whose god is the champion of deceit?
A. Trick question. The gods of both religions are completely honest.
B. The Islamic god for he leads sinners to believe lies so they may be damned.
C. The Christian god for he leads sinners to believe lies so they may be damned.
D. Neither wins for both “B” and “C” are true.
Answers To The "Whose God is More Vicious" Quiz!
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1. Whose god has promised the cruelest fate for people of different religions?
Correct Answer: D. (Both are equally vicious. Both gods have utter disdain for all other religions and condemn the followers of those faiths to eternal damnation.) “Surely those who disbelieve . . . Allah has set a seal upon their hearts . . . and there is a great punishment for them” (Koran 2:6-7). “Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all” (Koran 2:161). [W]hen the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance of them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord . . . (2 Thessalonians 1:7-9). “[H]e that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him”(John 3:36).
2. Whose god orders the most violent plight for nonbelievers while on Earth?
Correct Answer: C. (The Christian god because he ordered his followers to kill all those of a different religion, including family members, friends and even their cattle, whereas the Islamic god simply required the enslaving of nonbelievers .) “If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods . . . thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people . . . If thou shalt hear . . . Certain men . . . have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods . . . Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants ofthat city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword” (Deuteronomy13:6-15). “Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection” (Koran 9:29).
3. Whose god orders the cruelest warfare?
Correct Answer: D. (The Christian god because he ordered his followers to kill all the men inthe towns they invaded, enslaving only the women and children (who sometimes were to be slaughtered as well, along with every other living thing insight.)) “So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates” (Koran 47:4). “And when the Lord thy God hath delivered [a city] into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones . . . shalt thou take unto thyself . . . But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth”(Deuteronomy 20:13-16).
4. Whose god has the least pity and most contempt for the enemies of his followers?
Correct Answer: D. (B and C.) “And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both males, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men who were before the house. And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go you forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city” (Ezekiel 9:5-7). “Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice” (Koran 60:8). “And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing” (Koran 8:61).
5. Whose god has more contempt for homosexuals?
Correct Answer: D. (B and C.) “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them”(Leviticus 20:13). “And if two (men) of you commit it, then hurt them both; but if they turn again and amend, leave them alone, verily, God is easily turned, compassionate” (Koran 4:21). “Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind . . . shall inherit the kingdom of God”(1 Corinthians 6:9-10). "And there shall wait on them young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls" (Koran 52:24). “They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who will seem like scattered pearls to the beholders" (Koran 76:19).
6. Whose god has prescribed the more vicious physical punishment of sinners?
Correct Answer: B. (The Islamic god because he ordered his followers to apply more lashes to sinners than the Christian god did.) “(As for) the fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them, (giving) a hundred stripes, and let not pity for them detain you in the matter of obedience to Allah, if you believe in Allah and the last day, and let a party of believers witness their chastisement” (Koran 24:2). “And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face . . . Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed”(Deuteronomy 25:2-3).
7. Whose god should you fear most?
Correct Answer: C. (The Christian god because while Allah may be worthy of fear, God not only kills those who rub Him the wrong way but sends them to Hell as well.) “What! will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Apostle, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers” (Koran 9:13). “But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him” (Luke 12:5). “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matthew 10:28).
8. Whose god places the least value on the lives of women?
Correct Answer: D.(This is basically a draw. Both gods view women as less worthwhile than men.) “Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females; then if they are more than two females, shall have two-thirds of what the deceased has left, and if there is one, she shall they have the half” (Koran 4:11). "And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and sayunto them, When a man shall make a singular vow, the persons shall be for the Lord by thy estimation. And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary. And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels. And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. And if it be from sixty years old and above, if it be a male, then thy estimation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female, ten shekels" (Leviticus27:1-7).
9. Whose god puts women in their place with the harshest of restrictions on their speech?
Correct Answer: D. (B and C) “Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence" ; (1 Timothy 2:11-12). "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church" (1Corinthians 14:34-35). "Allah has heard and accepted the statement of the woman who pleads with you (the Prophet) concerning her husband and carries her complaint to Allah, and Allah hears the arguments between both of you for Allah hears and sees all things”(Koran 58:1).
10. Whose god is the champion of deceit?
Correct Answer: D. (Neither wins for both “B”and “C” are true.) “Surely Allah is not ashamed to set forth any parable-- (that of) a gnat or any thing above that; then as for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord, and as for those who disbelieve, they say: What is it that Allah means by this parable: He causes many to err by it and many He leads aright by it! but He does not cause to err by it (any) except the transgressors” (Koran2:26). “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness” (2Thessalonians 2:11-12).
Jinx said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Whose God is More Vicious?
According to the Quran they are one and the same God - the question is: In this day and age whose followers are the most vicious?They're all as bad as each other. I'm an equal opportunities despiser of religion.
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