EU Referendum Poll - Final Call
Poll: EU Referendum Poll - Final Call
Total Members Polled: 803
Discussion
Leave for me. Still the same.
The sovereignty issue for me is paramount. I'm a great believer that if we can muster ourselves, we can be a dynamic, thriving country in control of its own destiny and a global player. We have the intellectual resources to be the best again. We just need to be proud of achievement and celebrate success rather than drag everyone down to the lowest denominator as has been done in recent times. It could be a bit rocky in the short term but we have the talent to overcome that.
The EU, and the Euro, are in deep s
t. We need to get clear of the vortex before it sucks us down.
The sovereignty issue for me is paramount. I'm a great believer that if we can muster ourselves, we can be a dynamic, thriving country in control of its own destiny and a global player. We have the intellectual resources to be the best again. We just need to be proud of achievement and celebrate success rather than drag everyone down to the lowest denominator as has been done in recent times. It could be a bit rocky in the short term but we have the talent to overcome that.
The EU, and the Euro, are in deep s
t. We need to get clear of the vortex before it sucks us down.
wc98 said:
on friday morning i would advise you board your home up from the inside, go into the cupboard under the stairs and hide from the new european order of things . people are sick to the back teeth of politicians, the establishment and those running the eu. scary pronouncements of you will all be poor with no pensions if you do not toe the line and keep propping up said institutions and politicians while they milk the system to their advantage will not wash anymore. this is the information age, the lies and bullst ,along with just how much greed and avarice the public purse pays for is there in black and white for all to see.
last night i watched the prime minister of the united kingdom utterly humiliated on television . he was laughed at. think about that for a minute. i have done a bit of travelling the last few days , spoken to people in both england and scotland regarding their views on the referendum in general conversation and am now convinced the vote will be for leave, in excess of 60% . previously i had to admit that the reason that 90% of people i know were leave voters was due to them being in the same social circle. the last few days has me believing the only areas that will vote remain will be london and edinburgh .
people want our own politicians to be 100% accountable for what happens in this country. they want them to know their first and quite possibly only responsibility is to do their very best for the people of this country. they seem to have forgotten this somewhere along the line . the labour and tory parties as they currently stand are a disgrace. completely disconnected from the people that put them where they are , stuck in a self absorbed echo chamber of a bubble while the people of this country look at them wondering just wtf is going on in their minds.
funnily enough similar sentiment exists all across europe ,when the uk votes leave on thursday it is only the beginning of change across the european political spectrum . it seems to me people now realise more government and more politicians are never, ever a good thing. they suck the lifeblood out of people and the economy ,leading to stagnation of both. hopefully on friday morning those charged with running the uk and europe for the benefit of the people that select them will get the wake up call they have long needed. all imo of course.
Exactly this. Bring on the dropping pound and the devaluing house, these are not things to be feared, they are to be welcomed if (a) we want our industry to grow as it should and (b) we want our children to have even half a chance of owning a house. t ,along with just how much greed and avarice the public purse pays for is there in black and white for all to see.last night i watched the prime minister of the united kingdom utterly humiliated on television . he was laughed at. think about that for a minute. i have done a bit of travelling the last few days , spoken to people in both england and scotland regarding their views on the referendum in general conversation and am now convinced the vote will be for leave, in excess of 60% . previously i had to admit that the reason that 90% of people i know were leave voters was due to them being in the same social circle. the last few days has me believing the only areas that will vote remain will be london and edinburgh .
people want our own politicians to be 100% accountable for what happens in this country. they want them to know their first and quite possibly only responsibility is to do their very best for the people of this country. they seem to have forgotten this somewhere along the line . the labour and tory parties as they currently stand are a disgrace. completely disconnected from the people that put them where they are , stuck in a self absorbed echo chamber of a bubble while the people of this country look at them wondering just wtf is going on in their minds.
funnily enough similar sentiment exists all across europe ,when the uk votes leave on thursday it is only the beginning of change across the european political spectrum . it seems to me people now realise more government and more politicians are never, ever a good thing. they suck the lifeblood out of people and the economy ,leading to stagnation of both. hopefully on friday morning those charged with running the uk and europe for the benefit of the people that select them will get the wake up call they have long needed. all imo of course.
TurboHatchback said:
I'm genuinely not sure which way I will vote, months ago I was dead set on leave, now I could go either way. There are many strong arguments for and against both courses of action and neither outcome is what I would like to see. It's worrying that such an important decision is going to be made by a public with very little understanding of the true facts and issues, mostly just influenced by either of the badly run, misleading and negatiI know to have been saying ve campaigns.
My prediction is that it will go 60/40 to remain.
Would concur with your thoughts. I reckon at least half the people I know to have been saying they'll vote leave will end up voting remain in the end. Including, possibly, myself.My prediction is that it will go 60/40 to remain.
60/40 would be my gut feeling too. Either way, it has dragged on far too long and I'll be pleased when it is over.
The EU may want us to stay but the individual countries in it are praying that we'll have the balls to leave so that they can do exactly the same as us. Italy has just had some important mayoral elections which strongly suggest a huge amount of disaffection with the establishment and politicians. There's been rioting in France and I suspect plenty more stuff going on in Europe than we're being told about. As a Northerner who's lived south of Watford for most of his life I have the same feeling as the earlier poster ie that the leave sentiment here in the UK is very strong between Hampstead and Morningside.
Bradgate said:
I will definitely vote remain, as will my partner.
Given that I work in aviation, this decision is a no- brainier, and I'm sure the vast majority of people who work in the industry will also vote remain.
Can you explain why working in aviation affects your choice of lawmaker?Given that I work in aviation, this decision is a no- brainier, and I'm sure the vast majority of people who work in the industry will also vote remain.
If we got for a Brexit, why do people think our MPs will suddenly get good at their jobs and pass effective legislation to capitalise on any Brexit opportunities? We are being asked to vote for known and unknown unknowns, with a bunch Baffoons driving the bus.
If we had a better governance structure, it could be an alternative; but the risk reward profile looks wrong. Especially given the global economy right now (previously mentioned Asian economies are at risk to Fed raising rates, so struggle to see these as stable export opportunities). Given a vote for leave doesn't include reform of Westminster, I'm with the status quo.
Regardless of the way it goes, as a country we have diminished ourselves on the global stage and only the negatives will be taken away. Cameron looks like the sorcerers apprentice and as a nation look brain addled and bigoted.
If we had a better governance structure, it could be an alternative; but the risk reward profile looks wrong. Especially given the global economy right now (previously mentioned Asian economies are at risk to Fed raising rates, so struggle to see these as stable export opportunities). Given a vote for leave doesn't include reform of Westminster, I'm with the status quo.
Regardless of the way it goes, as a country we have diminished ourselves on the global stage and only the negatives will be taken away. Cameron looks like the sorcerers apprentice and as a nation look brain addled and bigoted.
Blackpuddin said:
wc98 said:
on friday morning i would advise you board your home up from the inside, go into the cupboard under the stairs and hide from the new european order of things . people are sick to the back teeth of politicians, the establishment and those running the eu. scary pronouncements of you will all be poor with no pensions if you do not toe the line and keep propping up said institutions and politicians while they milk the system to their advantage will not wash anymore. this is the information age, the lies and bullst ,along with just how much greed and avarice the public purse pays for is there in black and white for all to see.
last night i watched the prime minister of the united kingdom utterly humiliated on television . he was laughed at. think about that for a minute. i have done a bit of travelling the last few days , spoken to people in both england and scotland regarding their views on the referendum in general conversation and am now convinced the vote will be for leave, in excess of 60% . previously i had to admit that the reason that 90% of people i know were leave voters was due to them being in the same social circle. the last few days has me believing the only areas that will vote remain will be london and edinburgh .
people want our own politicians to be 100% accountable for what happens in this country. they want them to know their first and quite possibly only responsibility is to do their very best for the people of this country. they seem to have forgotten this somewhere along the line . the labour and tory parties as they currently stand are a disgrace. completely disconnected from the people that put them where they are , stuck in a self absorbed echo chamber of a bubble while the people of this country look at them wondering just wtf is going on in their minds.
funnily enough similar sentiment exists all across europe ,when the uk votes leave on thursday it is only the beginning of change across the european political spectrum . it seems to me people now realise more government and more politicians are never, ever a good thing. they suck the lifeblood out of people and the economy ,leading to stagnation of both. hopefully on friday morning those charged with running the uk and europe for the benefit of the people that select them will get the wake up call they have long needed. all imo of course.
Exactly this. Bring on the dropping pound and the devaluing house, these are not things to be feared, they are to be welcomed if (a) we want our industry to grow as it should and (b) we want our children to have even half a chance of owning a house. t ,along with just how much greed and avarice the public purse pays for is there in black and white for all to see.last night i watched the prime minister of the united kingdom utterly humiliated on television . he was laughed at. think about that for a minute. i have done a bit of travelling the last few days , spoken to people in both england and scotland regarding their views on the referendum in general conversation and am now convinced the vote will be for leave, in excess of 60% . previously i had to admit that the reason that 90% of people i know were leave voters was due to them being in the same social circle. the last few days has me believing the only areas that will vote remain will be london and edinburgh .
people want our own politicians to be 100% accountable for what happens in this country. they want them to know their first and quite possibly only responsibility is to do their very best for the people of this country. they seem to have forgotten this somewhere along the line . the labour and tory parties as they currently stand are a disgrace. completely disconnected from the people that put them where they are , stuck in a self absorbed echo chamber of a bubble while the people of this country look at them wondering just wtf is going on in their minds.
funnily enough similar sentiment exists all across europe ,when the uk votes leave on thursday it is only the beginning of change across the european political spectrum . it seems to me people now realise more government and more politicians are never, ever a good thing. they suck the lifeblood out of people and the economy ,leading to stagnation of both. hopefully on friday morning those charged with running the uk and europe for the benefit of the people that select them will get the wake up call they have long needed. all imo of course.
confused_buyer said:
Would concur with your thoughts. I reckon at least half the people I know to have been saying they'll vote leave will end up voting remain in the end. Including, possibly, myself.
60/40 would be my gut feeling too. Either way, it has dragged on far too long and I'll be pleased when it is over.
I would have thought anyone who is that disassociated from a decision probably won't bother voting...60/40 would be my gut feeling too. Either way, it has dragged on far too long and I'll be pleased when it is over.
I don't have party loyalty really as I've voted various ways at GE time. I consider myself 'liberal' and on the left but at the same time I do not identify with these wealthy metropolitan tossers / SJW types who try and pass themselves off as liberal while at the same time demanding censorship and grabbing more and more power & wealth from ordinary people.
I don't understand why so many on the left are in love with the EU as from what I can see it is all about big business and a political elite controlling everything mainly for their own benefit. I am slightly disgusted about some of the company I will be keeping by voting leave, but unlike many on the left I'm not so sanctimonious that I think that alone is a good enough reason to vote remain... even racists and xenophobes can be right on some issues sometimes, albeit for the wrong reasons.
Project fear and the political and media manipulation of Jo Cox's murder has only made my decision even easier. What we have at the moment doesn't work, yes there is risk but there is no reward without some kind of risk. If the poll were to read "Should we join the EU", I do not believe 'yes' would come anywhere close to 50%. People just have to have the courage to shift out of their comfort zone and break free as we can do better out of the EU.
I don't understand why so many on the left are in love with the EU as from what I can see it is all about big business and a political elite controlling everything mainly for their own benefit. I am slightly disgusted about some of the company I will be keeping by voting leave, but unlike many on the left I'm not so sanctimonious that I think that alone is a good enough reason to vote remain... even racists and xenophobes can be right on some issues sometimes, albeit for the wrong reasons.
Project fear and the political and media manipulation of Jo Cox's murder has only made my decision even easier. What we have at the moment doesn't work, yes there is risk but there is no reward without some kind of risk. If the poll were to read "Should we join the EU", I do not believe 'yes' would come anywhere close to 50%. People just have to have the courage to shift out of their comfort zone and break free as we can do better out of the EU.
Edited by VolvoT5 on Monday 20th June 19:43
stongle said:
If we got for a Brexit, why do people think our MPs will suddenly get good at their jobs and pass effective legislation to capitalise on any Brexit opportunities? We are being asked to vote for known and unknown unknowns, with a bunch Baffoons driving the bus.
If we had a better governance structure, it could be an alternative; but the risk reward profile looks wrong. Especially given the global economy right now (previously mentioned Asian economies are at risk to Fed raising rates, so struggle to see these as stable export opportunities). Given a vote for leave doesn't include reform of Westminster, I'm with the status quo.
Regardless of the way it goes, as a country we have diminished ourselves on the global stage and only the negatives will be taken away. Cameron looks like the sorcerers apprentice and as a nation look brain addled and bigoted.
I think voting leave could force a re-alignment of politics and therefore a better governance system. Certainly it would be very hard for Labour and Conservative parties to stay united given the splits over this issue. If we had a better governance structure, it could be an alternative; but the risk reward profile looks wrong. Especially given the global economy right now (previously mentioned Asian economies are at risk to Fed raising rates, so struggle to see these as stable export opportunities). Given a vote for leave doesn't include reform of Westminster, I'm with the status quo.
Regardless of the way it goes, as a country we have diminished ourselves on the global stage and only the negatives will be taken away. Cameron looks like the sorcerers apprentice and as a nation look brain addled and bigoted.
I think after all this fuss voting remain will be the bigger risk.... it will give the green flag to the EU project to go full steam ahead, sucking us all into the United States of Europe.
VolvoT5 said:
I think voting leave could force a re-alignment of politics and therefore a better governance system. Certainly it would be very hard for Labour and Conservative parties to stay united given the splits over this issue.
I think after all this fuss voting remain will be the bigger risk.... it will give the green flag to the EU project to go full steam ahead, sucking us all into the United States of Europe.
I'd describe it as the USSE and the precursor to the next major world conflict.I think after all this fuss voting remain will be the bigger risk.... it will give the green flag to the EU project to go full steam ahead, sucking us all into the United States of Europe.
I am in the leave camp, have been since Cameron came back from Europe with some belly button fluff and a smacked arse proclaiming it was a good deal, now he wants us to remain so that we can have our say in what happens in the future. What a load of bks. We will be told what is happening, not asked. I dont want that for my kids.
ks. We will be told what is happening, not asked. I dont want that for my kids.Edited by dazwalsh on Monday 20th June 20:09
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