Finsbury Park

[anonymous-user]

First up I am genuinely sorry for anyone caught up in this. It seems almost as callous as other attacks as it seems to have been targeted at people leaving the mosque. This is cowardly and no one should have to see stuff like this happening. People like this do not speak for me or people that I know
It seems as well that people from the mosque or in the crowd behaved with great dignity and arrested the man, holding him until the police came. This is testament to their dignity and bravery in the situation. These people are to be commended for their actions and I would hope they are recognised for this.
Secondly as if the Police simply didn't have enough on their bloody hands at the moment this sort of crap is just yet more pressure on a police force that are doing the best they can.
Thirdly if Mrs May feels she can control the agenda of issues in the UK I fear she is badly ,completely wide of the mark. Just as the focus in the news was starting to shift towards Brexit negotiations this happens. This country is in dangerous times.

[anonymous-user]

rscott said:

Sick individuals celebrating the attack on Twitter:

In a similar fashion, Facebook is frankly disgusting this morning.

If you read any of the comments under news articles, they are littered with idiots saying thing like "about time", "give that man a medal" and "if you blow our kids up you should expect this".

Sick.

[AndrewCrown]

Just an observation about the timing of this incident...

The press were reaching 'peak' frenzy on the awful tower fire
Everyone, including her own were rounding on Mrs May
Brexit talks opening today


In Mr Corbyn's constituency
Late on a Sunday
Press totally diverted
Horrific, but not too horrific

I'm probably reading too much into it...

[stitched]

El stovey said:

Sorry if I'm missing the point but what's the significance of whether it was a terrorist or revenge or whatever kind of attack?

Is it to do with people saying only Muslims are doing the terrorist thing or how it's being reported in the media and whether it indicates some kind of bias or are people just interested in how stuff gets classified?

I must admit I have felt seriously out of touch with the legal system for a long time, actually I really mean the laws in this country.
If I stab someone then I face legal procedures, agreed. However if ,in anger, I call them a Welsh ***** (insert epithet of choice) I can face greater punishment.
I am half Welsh BTW.
I am pretty sure my insult was not what offended the stabee.
To progress, if someone who ticks another box in the ethnicity chart to me fails to secure a job they can (IMHO correctly) report me for investigation to a racial equality body who investigate me. I'm perfectly happy with this as I strongly believe in equality across the board and despise discrimination in all it's forms.
However an story I read whilst abroad (i do not have evidence, custard or links showing its veracity) seemed to suggest that some public services were taking into account ethnicity, religion or whatever in ther recruitment.
Do people not see that this is utterly contrary to the whole concept of equality?
I recall thinking fk me I'd be crucified if I did that, and rightly so.
Sorry to wander off but it now seems that a violent criminal who is motivated by their dislike of a certain group is now a terrorist, unless he is a member of an organisation who perpetrate thes acts for political pressure then I call bks.
Just as I do with the vicious criminals who comitted criminal murderous attacks in the recent past.
The killers of Lee Rigby, who given the opportunity I would happily lay to rest, should not be legitimised with the label terrorist.
IMHO they are criminal scum and no more than that, regardless of their warped delusions they have neither the intelligence nor the capability to be higher up the echelon of security threats than one off lunatics like Fred West.
Some tt who manages to borrow/rent a van is a nonentity, we however give his deluded mind 'bragging rights' by ascribing such actions to a cause.

[anonymous-user]

LocoCoco said:

bmw535i suspiciously not posted since this incident.

Not sure about him but loads of the more outspoken right wingers have been banned (temporarily possibly) recently I think.

Loads of these terrorist,politics,trump etc threads have the OP or main posters missing.

You can usually see them complaining in website feedback about free speech etc

[rscott]

saaby93 said:

rscott said:

How dare the police question the company he hired the van from - what's next? Interrogating the suspect, reviewing CCTV?

I'm guessing you've already decided it was a terrorist attack - after all , you seemed to think this was - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... - just because a van was used...

Your guess is wrong I didnt decide anything, just asked the question where is the line

There's nothing wrong with police investigating the place a van is from. It's the reporting that brings in a nationality
Read what I wrote not what you think I wrote

They're simply explaining whereabouts in the UK the van was hired from, for those who can't google a place name or guess from the spelling..

[Dindoit]

[Nothingtoseehere]

El stovey said:

LocoCoco said:

bmw535i suspiciously not posted since this incident.

Not sure about him but loads of the more outspoken right wingers have been banned recently I think.

Loads of these terrorist,politics,trump etc threads have the OP or main posters missing.

Maybe that's more to do with moderating bias? Just look at the Trump thread...
Maybe BMW is on holiday?
How the hell Eddie,Jjlynn etc get away with it endlessly is telling, not worth bothering with np&e for quite a few of us.

[MrBrightSi]

AndrewCrown said:

Just an observation about the timing of this incident...

The press were reaching 'peak' frenzy on the awful tower fire
Everyone, including her own were rounding on Mrs May
Brexit talks opening today


In Mr Corbyn's constituency
Late on a Sunday
Press totally diverted
Horrific, but not too horrific

I'm probably reading too much into it...

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams!

[Europa1]

AndrewCrown said:

Just an observation about the timing of this incident...

The press were reaching 'peak' frenzy on the awful tower fire
Everyone, including her own were rounding on Mrs May
Brexit talks opening today


In Mr Corbyn's constituency
Late on a Sunday
Press totally diverted
Horrific, but not too horrific

I'm probably reading too much into it...

D'you know what, I think you probably are. You are sounding a bit...."Momentum".

A short vacation from the internet may be in order.

[Halb]

Colonial said:

If that is what you are taking away from this then you are part of the problem.

Colonial said:

Stickyfinger said:

You may have, but you present it in a terrible way...................

I agree with what he is saying in some respects, but I also have to agree with this.

And

[Zod]

Mr GrimNasty said:

BlackLabel said:

hornetrider said:

Oh dear. The van is from our village, well known local business. I wonder who the perps will turn out to be, early reports saying one arrested but two managed to flee the scene? Not good

Looking at the footage of the guy arrested being detained by locals, kudos to everyone involved. That could easily have turned ugly with him coming to serious harm so you have to admire them for their restraint.

According to an eyewitness he was 'being lynched' before the mosque imam intervened and told his congregation to wait for the police. Kudos to the man.

Yes the MSM propaganda machine is having a field day isn't it.

Non-Muslim victims mainly targetted, we get - no known links to IS, loan wolf, mentally ill, random, not terror.

Muslim victims, terror, definitely TERROR!

Show me a single "MSM" report about London Bridge or Manchester that says any of these things.

You are indeed nasty.

[Halb]

Derek Smith said:

It didn't take long for this thread to collapse into cheap point scoring.

And FB gets called!

[Zod]

AndrewCrown said:

Just an observation about the timing of this incident...

The press were reaching 'peak' frenzy on the awful tower fire
Everyone, including her own were rounding on Mrs May
Brexit talks opening today


In Mr Corbyn's constituency
Late on a Sunday
Press totally diverted
Horrific, but not too horrific

I'm probably reading too much into it...

Yes, you are.

[Murph7355]

AndrewCrown said:

Just an observation about the timing of this incident...

The press were reaching 'peak' frenzy on the awful tower fire
Everyone, including her own were rounding on Mrs May
Brexit talks opening today


In Mr Corbyn's constituency
Late on a Sunday
Press totally diverted
Horrific, but not too horrific

I'm probably reading too much into it...

Wearing tin foil is especially inadvisable in this weather.

Go and find somewhere in the shade, drink plenty of water then have a lie down

[TTmonkey]

1. nad ydych yn Cymraeg brawd

[Trophy Husband]

PurpleMoonlight said:

Greg66 said:

BBC now reporting:

"An eyewitness called Abdul told the BBC he saw a man come out the van "and then he was shouting 'where are all the Muslims? I wanna kill all Muslims.' Literally he said that"."

There was a guy screaming at the BBC reporter earlier "white terrorist white terrorist white terrorist".

Seems more like a hate crime to me.

I agree 100%. It will become clearer as to whether this lone individual has any affiliation with far right groups and acted in their name, sponsored by their ideology with a network of support as is nearly always discovered after an Islamist terror attack such as those occurring in Europe in recent weeks/months/years. This jumping on a label by the media and others seems a little reactionary and is not helpful.

[Tankrizzo]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Yes the MSM propaganda machine is having a field day isn't it.

Non-Muslim victims mainly targetted, we get - no known links to IS, loan wolf, mentally ill, random, not terror.

Muslim victims, terror, definitely TERROR!

That's utter bks, the entirety of the media called the previous attacks terrorism virtually straight away.

[AndrewCrown]

Go and find somewhere in the shade, drink plenty of water then have a lie down
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Good plan...I'm off to the classified section to finds some V8s and chill out...

[Wobbegong]

Not a wild guess to say it was targeted due to the past links with terrorism. A shame as it seems the people in charge had managed to turn it away from those links and create something positive.

Although sad, I'm not surprised it has happened.