Stormzy’s attack on TM, justified or not?
Discussion
The Surveyor said:
I think you'll find that this isn't the first generation of 'youth' who has an axe to grind. Take a merry trip back through rock'n'roll, the hippy years, punk, grunge, etc etc
The times are just on 'repeat' but don't let that spoil your little rave
Straight Outta Compton is 30 years old this year The times are just on 'repeat' but don't let that spoil your little rave
Why were Stormzy's backing singers wearing black balaclavas ?
What was that meant to signify ? Gangsta ? Armed robbers ? Arrived on stolen mopeds/ acid gang ? Or was it just a bit nippy at the awards ?
Answers on a postcard to ; I was very scared because of scary balaclavas ... but have no clue wtf they mean.
What was that meant to signify ? Gangsta ? Armed robbers ? Arrived on stolen mopeds/ acid gang ? Or was it just a bit nippy at the awards ?
Answers on a postcard to ; I was very scared because of scary balaclavas ... but have no clue wtf they mean.
Tonberry said:
Randy Winkman said:
Presumably the middle aged moaners on here were doing stuff their parents and grandparents disapproved of when they were younger? But somehow they don't seem to appreciate the current youth doing the same.
I wouldn't expect them to get it.
Diversity and common goals that intersect racial lines can only improve this country. If that isnt change, I don't know what is.
The point made, by many, is that his political statement is simply a load of s
t. 
Posts about PHers being old and 'attacking the establishment is what the youth do' and all that are all a load of bks really. Stormzy is not being rebellious; Tory-bashing is trendy enough without vocally supporting Labour as well! Labour are no less 'establishment' than the Conservatives are, so our grimy friend is being about as edgy as any teacher's pet in school.
The original rock 'n' rollers - Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, Cliff Richard, the Shadows, Billy Fury, etc., etc., - did not criticise or insult anyone with their music, yet they were truly rebellious and virtually defined the concept of the teenager.
Of course, that's not to say politics and music can't mix. Many upstanding musicians have blended politics into their work, yet they've managed to do so with musical merit and personal decorum and a bit of fun. See Screaming Lord Sutch as an example, or this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4
Stormzy strikes me as ill-educated, lacking in any outstanding musical or political understanding and with a massive chip on his shoulder to boot.
ks really. Stormzy is not being rebellious; Tory-bashing is trendy enough without vocally supporting Labour as well! Labour are no less 'establishment' than the Conservatives are, so our grimy friend is being about as edgy as any teacher's pet in school.The original rock 'n' rollers - Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, Cliff Richard, the Shadows, Billy Fury, etc., etc., - did not criticise or insult anyone with their music, yet they were truly rebellious and virtually defined the concept of the teenager.
Of course, that's not to say politics and music can't mix. Many upstanding musicians have blended politics into their work, yet they've managed to do so with musical merit and personal decorum and a bit of fun. See Screaming Lord Sutch as an example, or this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4
Stormzy strikes me as ill-educated, lacking in any outstanding musical or political understanding and with a massive chip on his shoulder to boot.
Mastodon2 said:
So no one actually used the word "savages" until Stormzy himself then? 
It's an easy way of appealing to his audience I expect, misinformation for the feckless who won't bother to check facts, they just want something to feel angry about.
Why the roll eyes??? I think they have something to feel angry about, clearly you haven’t read my view so I can’t be bothered anymore.It's an easy way of appealing to his audience I expect, misinformation for the feckless who won't bother to check facts, they just want something to feel angry about.
thainy77 said:
Why the roll eyes??? I think they have something to feel angry about, clearly you haven’t read my view so I can’t be bothered anymore.
I think the reason for the roll eyes should be fairly obvious. Maybe they do have something to feel angry about, but it's nothing to do with being called "savages" and Stormzy only said that to stir up the whole racial / class angle people have tried to put on the Grenfell incident since the start. Inciting unrest and saying the PM's house should burn down doesn't help, it just gives these people something to focus all of their anger and general disenchantment on.MrBrianNorris said:
Posts about PHers being old and 'attacking the establishment is what the youth do' and all that are all a load of bks really. Stormzy is not being rebellious; Tory-bashing is trendy enough without vocally supporting Labour as well! Labour are no less 'establishment' than the Conservatives are, so our grimy friend is being about as edgy as any teacher's pet in school.
The original rock 'n' rollers - Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, Cliff Richard, the Shadows, Billy Fury, etc., etc., - did not criticise or insult anyone with their music, yet they were truly rebellious and virtually defined the concept of the teenager.
Of course, that's not to say politics and music can't mix. Many upstanding musicians have blended politics into their work, yet they've managed to do so with musical merit and personal decorum and a bit of fun. See Screaming Lord Sutch as an example, or this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4
Stormzy strikes me as ill-educated, lacking in any outstanding musical or political understanding and with a massive chip on his shoulder to boot.
May I ask how old you are?ks really. Stormzy is not being rebellious; Tory-bashing is trendy enough without vocally supporting Labour as well! Labour are no less 'establishment' than the Conservatives are, so our grimy friend is being about as edgy as any teacher's pet in school.The original rock 'n' rollers - Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, Cliff Richard, the Shadows, Billy Fury, etc., etc., - did not criticise or insult anyone with their music, yet they were truly rebellious and virtually defined the concept of the teenager.
Of course, that's not to say politics and music can't mix. Many upstanding musicians have blended politics into their work, yet they've managed to do so with musical merit and personal decorum and a bit of fun. See Screaming Lord Sutch as an example, or this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4
Stormzy strikes me as ill-educated, lacking in any outstanding musical or political understanding and with a massive chip on his shoulder to boot.
Randy Winkman said:
MrBrianNorris said:
Posts about PHers being old and 'attacking the establishment is what the youth do' and all that are all a load of bks really. Stormzy is not being rebellious; Tory-bashing is trendy enough without vocally supporting Labour as well! Labour are no less 'establishment' than the Conservatives are, so our grimy friend is being about as edgy as any teacher's pet in school.
The original rock 'n' rollers - Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, Cliff Richard, the Shadows, Billy Fury, etc., etc., - did not criticise or insult anyone with their music, yet they were truly rebellious and virtually defined the concept of the teenager.
Of course, that's not to say politics and music can't mix. Many upstanding musicians have blended politics into their work, yet they've managed to do so with musical merit and personal decorum and a bit of fun. See Screaming Lord Sutch as an example, or this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4
Stormzy strikes me as ill-educated, lacking in any outstanding musical or political understanding and with a massive chip on his shoulder to boot.
May I ask how old you are?ks really. Stormzy is not being rebellious; Tory-bashing is trendy enough without vocally supporting Labour as well! Labour are no less 'establishment' than the Conservatives are, so our grimy friend is being about as edgy as any teacher's pet in school.The original rock 'n' rollers - Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, Cliff Richard, the Shadows, Billy Fury, etc., etc., - did not criticise or insult anyone with their music, yet they were truly rebellious and virtually defined the concept of the teenager.
Of course, that's not to say politics and music can't mix. Many upstanding musicians have blended politics into their work, yet they've managed to do so with musical merit and personal decorum and a bit of fun. See Screaming Lord Sutch as an example, or this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4
Stormzy strikes me as ill-educated, lacking in any outstanding musical or political understanding and with a massive chip on his shoulder to boot.
MrBrianNorris said:
Posts about PHers being old and 'attacking the establishment is what the youth do' and all that are all a load of bks really. Stormzy is not being rebellious; Tory-bashing is trendy enough without vocally supporting Labour as well! Labour are no less 'establishment' than the Conservatives are, so our grimy friend is being about as edgy as any teacher's pet in school.
The original rock 'n' rollers - Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, Cliff Richard, the Shadows, Billy Fury, etc., etc., - did not criticise or insult anyone with their music, yet they were truly rebellious and virtually defined the concept of the teenager.
Of course, that's not to say politics and music can't mix. Many upstanding musicians have blended politics into their work, yet they've managed to do so with musical merit and personal decorum and a bit of fun. See Screaming Lord Sutch as an example, or this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4
Stormzy strikes me as ill-educated, lacking in any outstanding musical or political understanding and with a massive chip on his shoulder to boot.
Cliff Richard & The Shadows - Truly Rebellious :-)ks really. Stormzy is not being rebellious; Tory-bashing is trendy enough without vocally supporting Labour as well! Labour are no less 'establishment' than the Conservatives are, so our grimy friend is being about as edgy as any teacher's pet in school.The original rock 'n' rollers - Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, Cliff Richard, the Shadows, Billy Fury, etc., etc., - did not criticise or insult anyone with their music, yet they were truly rebellious and virtually defined the concept of the teenager.
Of course, that's not to say politics and music can't mix. Many upstanding musicians have blended politics into their work, yet they've managed to do so with musical merit and personal decorum and a bit of fun. See Screaming Lord Sutch as an example, or this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4
Stormzy strikes me as ill-educated, lacking in any outstanding musical or political understanding and with a massive chip on his shoulder to boot.
chrispmartha said:
MrBrianNorris said:
Posts about PHers being old and 'attacking the establishment is what the youth do' and all that are all a load of bks really. Stormzy is not being rebellious; Tory-bashing is trendy enough without vocally supporting Labour as well! Labour are no less 'establishment' than the Conservatives are, so our grimy friend is being about as edgy as any teacher's pet in school.
The original rock 'n' rollers - Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, Cliff Richard, the Shadows, Billy Fury, etc., etc., - did not criticise or insult anyone with their music, yet they were truly rebellious and virtually defined the concept of the teenager.
Of course, that's not to say politics and music can't mix. Many upstanding musicians have blended politics into their work, yet they've managed to do so with musical merit and personal decorum and a bit of fun. See Screaming Lord Sutch as an example, or this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4
Stormzy strikes me as ill-educated, lacking in any outstanding musical or political understanding and with a massive chip on his shoulder to boot.
Cliff Richard & The Shadows - Truly Rebellious :-)ks really. Stormzy is not being rebellious; Tory-bashing is trendy enough without vocally supporting Labour as well! Labour are no less 'establishment' than the Conservatives are, so our grimy friend is being about as edgy as any teacher's pet in school.The original rock 'n' rollers - Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, Cliff Richard, the Shadows, Billy Fury, etc., etc., - did not criticise or insult anyone with their music, yet they were truly rebellious and virtually defined the concept of the teenager.
Of course, that's not to say politics and music can't mix. Many upstanding musicians have blended politics into their work, yet they've managed to do so with musical merit and personal decorum and a bit of fun. See Screaming Lord Sutch as an example, or this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4
Stormzy strikes me as ill-educated, lacking in any outstanding musical or political understanding and with a massive chip on his shoulder to boot.
oilbethere said:
Randy Winkman and chrispmartha what is your problem with the older generation? Genuine question.
I have no idea how old they are but I like this quote often incorrectly attributed to Winston Churchill - Anyone who was not a liberal at 20 years of age had no heart, while anyone who was still a liberal at 40 had no head.So maybe their just young and bitter that if they embrace the lifestyle rappers chat about they’ll never make old age.
oilbethere said:
Randy Winkman and chrispmartha what is your problem with the older generation? Genuine question.
I personally haven’t got a problem with any generation, this thread is just hilarious in a who can seem the most grumpy it was better in my day type of way.on a serious point I have noticed the general anti youth sentiment on this forum
Randy Winkman said:
MrBrianNorris said:
Posts about PHers being old and 'attacking the establishment is what the youth do' and all that are all a load of bks really. Stormzy is not being rebellious; Tory-bashing is trendy enough without vocally supporting Labour as well! Labour are no less 'establishment' than the Conservatives are, so our grimy friend is being about as edgy as any teacher's pet in school.
The original rock 'n' rollers - Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, Cliff Richard, the Shadows, Billy Fury, etc., etc., - did not criticise or insult anyone with their music, yet they were truly rebellious and virtually defined the concept of the teenager.
Of course, that's not to say politics and music can't mix. Many upstanding musicians have blended politics into their work, yet they've managed to do so with musical merit and personal decorum and a bit of fun. See Screaming Lord Sutch as an example, or this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4
Stormzy strikes me as ill-educated, lacking in any outstanding musical or political understanding and with a massive chip on his shoulder to boot.
May I ask how old you are?ks really. Stormzy is not being rebellious; Tory-bashing is trendy enough without vocally supporting Labour as well! Labour are no less 'establishment' than the Conservatives are, so our grimy friend is being about as edgy as any teacher's pet in school.The original rock 'n' rollers - Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, Cliff Richard, the Shadows, Billy Fury, etc., etc., - did not criticise or insult anyone with their music, yet they were truly rebellious and virtually defined the concept of the teenager.
Of course, that's not to say politics and music can't mix. Many upstanding musicians have blended politics into their work, yet they've managed to do so with musical merit and personal decorum and a bit of fun. See Screaming Lord Sutch as an example, or this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4
Stormzy strikes me as ill-educated, lacking in any outstanding musical or political understanding and with a massive chip on his shoulder to boot.
oilbethere said:
Randy Winkman and chrispmartha what is your problem with the older generation? Genuine question.
On a similar note do you (generally not you personally) not see a certain irony with the number of threads on here about "triggered millennial snowflakes" followed by six deadly serious pages on how Stormzy's apparently been a little bit mean toward Teresa May?It may come across as a tiny bit hypocritical.
Biker 1 said:
The Surveyor said:
He was performing on the Brits because of his music's popularity, not his politics.
What sort of demographic is interested in the Brits??MrBrianNorris said:
Randy Winkman said:
MrBrianNorris said:
Posts about PHers being old and 'attacking the establishment is what the youth do' and all that are all a load of bks really. Stormzy is not being rebellious; Tory-bashing is trendy enough without vocally supporting Labour as well! Labour are no less 'establishment' than the Conservatives are, so our grimy friend is being about as edgy as any teacher's pet in school.
The original rock 'n' rollers - Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, Cliff Richard, the Shadows, Billy Fury, etc., etc., - did not criticise or insult anyone with their music, yet they were truly rebellious and virtually defined the concept of the teenager.
Of course, that's not to say politics and music can't mix. Many upstanding musicians have blended politics into their work, yet they've managed to do so with musical merit and personal decorum and a bit of fun. See Screaming Lord Sutch as an example, or this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4
Stormzy strikes me as ill-educated, lacking in any outstanding musical or political understanding and with a massive chip on his shoulder to boot.
May I ask how old you are?ks really. Stormzy is not being rebellious; Tory-bashing is trendy enough without vocally supporting Labour as well! Labour are no less 'establishment' than the Conservatives are, so our grimy friend is being about as edgy as any teacher's pet in school.The original rock 'n' rollers - Elvis, Bill Haley, Buddy Holly, Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, Little Richard, Roy Orbison, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran, Gene Vincent, Cliff Richard, the Shadows, Billy Fury, etc., etc., - did not criticise or insult anyone with their music, yet they were truly rebellious and virtually defined the concept of the teenager.
Of course, that's not to say politics and music can't mix. Many upstanding musicians have blended politics into their work, yet they've managed to do so with musical merit and personal decorum and a bit of fun. See Screaming Lord Sutch as an example, or this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4
Stormzy strikes me as ill-educated, lacking in any outstanding musical or political understanding and with a massive chip on his shoulder to boot.
In response to another post on this page; it is rather odd that lots of PHers go on about "snowflakes" when they are on a forum revolves almost entirely around people moaning.
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