This a*se should be arrested
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Bulldong has hit the nail on the head.
Most conditions that surfers go out in would be considered 'rough seas' by the layperson. I myself have surfed many many times in storms with no issues. Granted, I wouldn't have gone out in strong winds in Hastings though, mainly because the surf would be absolute rubbish.
For posters to automatically assume this surfer is definately an idiot just highlights their lack of understanding for the situation. He may be an idiot, or he may have the necessary skills to deal with the situation. Since he was fine without intervention, the latter seems likely.
Those people saying that the RNLI shouldn't have to rescue idiots like this, it's a bit like saying that the emergency services shouldn't have to attend road traffic accidents, because the idiots that crashed should've known better.
Most conditions that surfers go out in would be considered 'rough seas' by the layperson. I myself have surfed many many times in storms with no issues. Granted, I wouldn't have gone out in strong winds in Hastings though, mainly because the surf would be absolute rubbish.
For posters to automatically assume this surfer is definately an idiot just highlights their lack of understanding for the situation. He may be an idiot, or he may have the necessary skills to deal with the situation. Since he was fine without intervention, the latter seems likely.
Those people saying that the RNLI shouldn't have to rescue idiots like this, it's a bit like saying that the emergency services shouldn't have to attend road traffic accidents, because the idiots that crashed should've known better.
Greendubber said:
I was really impressed with it, the fact they just beach it, recover it onto the trailer that spins it 180° before being dragged back up (a long way when the tide is out) it's a proper but of engineering porn.
Compared to a couple of hour drag up the ramp for the old Tyne class... The tractor is pretty cool too - and the reduced costs of maintaining an onshore lifeboathouse instead of the old pier type are nice too.
eharding said:
No it isn't, at least not in this case.
If you die in the high mountains, and you will have understood this long before getting there - your body will stay where you die, and in the process of dying you won't expect anyone else to come and rescue you. That is part of the pact, and you accept that.
In this case, there seems to be - from the apologist at least - some sense of entitlement that regardless of the conditions, you can act as you please and if that entails the launch of a rescue craft, then so be it.
Huge difference.
Given the number of people that have to assisted by Mountain Rescue teams in Scotland/Snowdonia/Dartmoor etc. then it doesn't seem that that is the case.If you die in the high mountains, and you will have understood this long before getting there - your body will stay where you die, and in the process of dying you won't expect anyone else to come and rescue you. That is part of the pact, and you accept that.
In this case, there seems to be - from the apologist at least - some sense of entitlement that regardless of the conditions, you can act as you please and if that entails the launch of a rescue craft, then so be it.
Huge difference.
boyse7en said:
eharding said:
No it isn't, at least not in this case.
If you die in the high mountains, and you will have understood this long before getting there - your body will stay where you die, and in the process of dying you won't expect anyone else to come and rescue you. That is part of the pact, and you accept that.
In this case, there seems to be - from the apologist at least - some sense of entitlement that regardless of the conditions, you can act as you please and if that entails the launch of a rescue craft, then so be it.
Huge difference.
Given the number of people that have to assisted by Mountain Rescue teams in Scotland/Snowdonia/Dartmoor etc. then it doesn't seem that that is the case.If you die in the high mountains, and you will have understood this long before getting there - your body will stay where you die, and in the process of dying you won't expect anyone else to come and rescue you. That is part of the pact, and you accept that.
In this case, there seems to be - from the apologist at least - some sense of entitlement that regardless of the conditions, you can act as you please and if that entails the launch of a rescue craft, then so be it.
Huge difference.
Sadly, the apologists for this plum will keep apologising for him until he removes himself from the gene pool, and when he does so regard him as some sort of hero.
boyse7en said:
Given the number of people that have to assisted by Mountain Rescue teams in Scotland/Snowdonia/Dartmoor etc. then it doesn't seem that that is the case.
Indeed. Here's an "idiot" out mountaineering yesterday in 84mph winds. https://www.lakedistrictweatherline.co.uk/I assume if he'd slipped and twisted an ankle he'd be burnt at the stake on here by now.
Re RNLI advice, most rescue organizations are very anti "stay at home" warnings. National Trust got an earful this time last year.
https://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/2019/02/01/bmc-a...
LLMRT chairman said:
“Hazards exist on any mountain, but it is not the role of our mountain rescue team to decide when these mountains are ‘safe’.
“As with all risk, changing mountain hazards can be mitigated by personal experience, route choice, equipment, weather and ground conditions.
“The ethos of mountain rescue was, and remains, that of ‘mountaineers helping other mountaineers’ and we will continue to turn out to people who feel they need our help without judgment.
“And, we’ll all be out over the next few days making the most of the conditions.”
“As with all risk, changing mountain hazards can be mitigated by personal experience, route choice, equipment, weather and ground conditions.
“The ethos of mountain rescue was, and remains, that of ‘mountaineers helping other mountaineers’ and we will continue to turn out to people who feel they need our help without judgment.
“And, we’ll all be out over the next few days making the most of the conditions.”
eharding said:
boyse7en said:
eharding said:
No it isn't, at least not in this case.
If you die in the high mountains, and you will have understood this long before getting there - your body will stay where you die, and in the process of dying you won't expect anyone else to come and rescue you. That is part of the pact, and you accept that.
In this case, there seems to be - from the apologist at least - some sense of entitlement that regardless of the conditions, you can act as you please and if that entails the launch of a rescue craft, then so be it.
Huge difference.
Given the number of people that have to assisted by Mountain Rescue teams in Scotland/Snowdonia/Dartmoor etc. then it doesn't seem that that is the case.If you die in the high mountains, and you will have understood this long before getting there - your body will stay where you die, and in the process of dying you won't expect anyone else to come and rescue you. That is part of the pact, and you accept that.
In this case, there seems to be - from the apologist at least - some sense of entitlement that regardless of the conditions, you can act as you please and if that entails the launch of a rescue craft, then so be it.
Huge difference.
Sway said:
borcy said:
I wonder if the coastguard /RNLI give out a warning that no one should go in the water, does that mean that anyone can make a judgement to ignore that with no comeback?
Yes. Where do we allow people to make a judgement over various bodies saying don't do blah?
I'm sure we could all think of various examples where we limit people's activities or punish/fine if they make a personal judgement.
witko999 said:
And anybody who knows anything about surfing (which you clearly don't) wouldn't particularly regard those waves in the videos as "high waves" either.
At the risk of repeating myself, in which case how did he end up losing his equipment and drifting several miles?Was there anybody else out surfing yesterday on that beach?
eharding said:
I wouldn't regard Scotland/Snowdonia/Dartmoor as the "high mountains" though, and that comment is in the context of "extreme mountaineering".
Sadly, the apologists for this plum will keep apologising for him until he removes himself from the gene pool, and when he does so regard him as some sort of hero.
The problem is that if you decide that acting like a plum means you cannot expect anyone to assist that pretty much means no help from any agency for anyone, ever. Sadly, the apologists for this plum will keep apologising for him until he removes himself from the gene pool, and when he does so regard him as some sort of hero.
There's a report on the news about a guy who got trapped in his car under a tree yesterday. Had to be rescued by firefighters, police and ambulance. Is he a "plum" for going out in a car in bad weather? Should he be charged for the rescue services provided?
Was everyone else who was out in a car yesterday also a plum for going out, even if nothing untoward happened to them?
Crew/engineer for nearly 6 years between Slyne and Loop head out of Inis Mor.
No matter how stupid or how many times they had been warned, no matter what the weather we would go and get them.
So long as we got home we were happy, we left the admonishing to shore crew and went to the pub.
No matter how stupid or how many times they had been warned, no matter what the weather we would go and get them.
So long as we got home we were happy, we left the admonishing to shore crew and went to the pub.
boyse7en said:
eharding said:
I wouldn't regard Scotland/Snowdonia/Dartmoor as the "high mountains" though, and that comment is in the context of "extreme mountaineering".
Sadly, the apologists for this plum will keep apologising for him until he removes himself from the gene pool, and when he does so regard him as some sort of hero.
The problem is that if you decide that acting like a plum means you cannot expect anyone to assist that pretty much means no help from any agency for anyone, ever. Sadly, the apologists for this plum will keep apologising for him until he removes himself from the gene pool, and when he does so regard him as some sort of hero.
There's a report on the news about a guy who got trapped in his car under a tree yesterday. Had to be rescued by firefighters, police and ambulance. Is he a "plum" for going out in a car in bad weather? Should he be charged for the rescue services provided?
Was everyone else who was out in a car yesterday also a plum for going out, even if nothing untoward happened to them?
This surfer plum ignored warnings not to go out, and came unstuck. Now we have half a punnet of plum sycophants here apologising for him.
eharding said:
At the risk of repeating myself, in which case how did he end up losing his equipment and drifting several miles?
Was there anybody else out surfing yesterday on that beach?
I have no idea, and you probably don't either. There isn't enough information in the story to judge, other than clickbait knee jerk reactions from people who know very little about the subject. It would be interesting to hear a statement from the guy himself, rather than onlookers.Was there anybody else out surfing yesterday on that beach?
The fact is, surfers go out everyday all around the world, in conditions where the average man on the street would drown.
I'm not saying that the guy definately wasn't an idiot, but he had the correct equipment, and turned down help when offered (according to the article on yahoo). This suggests he was at least at some point, fairly comfortable. A blanket attitude of "anyone who goes out is an idiot" isn't very sensible.
eharding said:
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
If he’s in that bracket then the RNLI advice doesn’t really apply; that’s aimed more at the general public not the small percentage of experts
Give your head a wobble.The RNLI advice doesn't apply, because he's an expert......but he's such an incompetent expert, the RNLI have to launch anyway?
It’s a bit like on a country road you sometimes get a sign advising a certain max speed, say for example 40mph. However if someone in a good car who happens to be a rally driver comes along, they would asses the corner, and drive around it at a sensible speed for them. Which might well be different to 40mph.
That’s all I’m really saying re general advice not always applying to experts.
eharding said:
This surfer plum ignored warnings not to go out, and came unstuck. Now we have half a punnet of plum sycophants here apologising for him.
In other news, Weymouth lifeboat crew were out training yesterday.https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/...
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
eharding said:
Chainsaw Rebuild said:
If he’s in that bracket then the RNLI advice doesn’t really apply; that’s aimed more at the general public not the small percentage of experts
Give your head a wobble.The RNLI advice doesn't apply, because he's an expert......but he's such an incompetent expert, the RNLI have to launch anyway?
It’s a bit like on a country road you sometimes get a sign advising a certain max speed, say for example 40mph. However if someone in a good car who happens to be a rally driver comes along, they would asses the corner, and drive around it at a sensible speed for them. Which might well be different to 40mph.
That’s all I’m really saying re general advice not always applying to experts.
That's pretty much accepted, well to most people anyway, there's a personal choice and then there's a consequence.
silentbrown said:
eharding said:
This surfer plum ignored warnings not to go out, and came unstuck. Now we have half a punnet of plum sycophants here apologising for him.
In other news, Weymouth lifeboat crew were out training yesterday.https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/...
Have they got no idea of the danger they put themselves in?
boyse7en said:
silentbrown said:
eharding said:
This surfer plum ignored warnings not to go out, and came unstuck. Now we have half a punnet of plum sycophants here apologising for him.
In other news, Weymouth lifeboat crew were out training yesterday.https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/...
Have they got no idea of the danger they put themselves in?
eharding said:
boyse7en said:
silentbrown said:
eharding said:
This surfer plum ignored warnings not to go out, and came unstuck. Now we have half a punnet of plum sycophants here apologising for him.
In other news, Weymouth lifeboat crew were out training yesterday.https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/...
Have they got no idea of the danger they put themselves in?
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