Bianca Williams stop accusing race motivated.
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Greendubber said:
Bigends said:
Greendubber said:
Drive on wrong side of the road, make off from police and then moan about it when they want you quite lawfully out if the vehicle to search you.
Absolute melts.
..and the grounds for that weapons search were?? Suppose thatll only come out when the complaints investigatedAbsolute melts.
Linford Christie openly accused those officers of being racist. There isn't a hint of racism about this incident, maybe hes got beef as his drug dealing son is banged up for drug supply or maybe because he got potted himself for s
t driving not so long ago. Who knows, but its fashionable to scream about the police doing their job at the moment I suppose.
Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
jsc15 said:
Honestly, I have to ask this, why do a seemingly large proportion of a specific racial group (in UK & USA) decide to run from the police.....then are somehow more surprised that they are followed then confronted more robustly?
Why resist arrest then wonder why you are tasered?
Why resist a search then wonder why you get a longer drugs search?
Clue: It's not racism, it's because you're an idiot with zero morals, no people skills, and no respect for laws
Look at the prevalence of crime within your communities, and the significantly disproportionate likelihood of violent crime, knife possession, muggings, rapes, burglary, drug dealing....then come back to us when this is resolved and we can then talk about unfair "profiling"
^^^ This post hits the nail absolutely on the headWhy resist arrest then wonder why you are tasered?
Why resist a search then wonder why you get a longer drugs search?
Clue: It's not racism, it's because you're an idiot with zero morals, no people skills, and no respect for laws
Look at the prevalence of crime within your communities, and the significantly disproportionate likelihood of violent crime, knife possession, muggings, rapes, burglary, drug dealing....then come back to us when this is resolved and we can then talk about unfair "profiling"
ArmaghMan said:
Greendubber said:
Bigends said:
Greendubber said:
Drive on wrong side of the road, make off from police and then moan about it when they want you quite lawfully out if the vehicle to search you.
Absolute melts.
..and the grounds for that weapons search were?? Suppose thatll only come out when the complaints investigatedAbsolute melts.
Linford Christie openly accused those officers of being racist. There isn't a hint of racism about this incident, maybe hes got beef as his drug dealing son is banged up for drug supply or maybe because he got potted himself for s
t driving not so long ago. Who knows, but its fashionable to scream about the police doing their job at the moment I suppose.
Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
Greendubber said:
I'm sure they'd be just fine after dealing with London knife crime and gangsters for years on a daily basis unlike some of county mounties who rarely have exposure to anything like that.
Indeed You’ll learn and deal with far more in a couple of years on an inner London borough than in 20 years in a rural force
Officer safety and situational awareness can be appalling in county forces and they tend to be far less proactive
A vast majority of Stop/search is conducted in the half dozen or so main Metropolitan areas Met/GMP/WY/WMids etc
It’s also where there are the most social problems and the most anti-Police elements and the most diverse communities
Plonk a cop from Devon in the middle of Harlesden or Brixton on a night duty and they’d probably s
t themselves ArmaghMan said:
"its been looked into and found absolutely fine",
Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
You make a strong point. But, you've had to go back decades (in some cases) to make it. Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
In this day of cameras and recording devices, the internet and social media I think it's most unlikely that the Police have crossed a line with this one.
Listening to Ms Williams interview with Nick Ferrari it struck me that she knew that driving away when asked to stop was wrong. "ahh but we were going to our house that was just 20 seconds away" is not really an excuse now is it?
The fact is that they were stopped by the Police and then decided to drive off. That's going to get a robust response from the Met.
Then, watching Ms Williams video (that she shot in the car) it struck me that the 'escalation' came entirely from the couple. The WPCs remained calm and polite.
I'd love to see the rest of the footage.....
jsc15 said:
If only there was a way to explain why black people are so unjustly stopped/arrested/prosecuted?
I've previously attempted to highlight on PH that the obvious (really obvious) reason black men are stopped by police slightly more is that they are *multiple* times times more likely to be engaged in serious criminality, but I just get the standard "f-in racist pr**k" type retorts.
So, here is another attempt.....namely the wikipedia page on "Race and crime in the United Kingdom" located at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_th...
I know some of it looks dated, but let's be honest, things haven't improved
Here's the full "History" section from that page...
In 2003 Lee Jasper, a race advisor to the London mayor, said drugs and gun crime were the "biggest threat to the black community since its arrival here".[4]
In 2007, after a series of murders committed by black people, prime minister Tony Blair attributed them to a distinctive black culture: "the black community (...) need to be mobilised in denunciation of this gang culture that is killing innocent young black kids. But we won't stop this by pretending it isn't young black kids doing it."[5] Some from the black community criticised his remarks.[6]
Gang involvement is said to be a "continuing problem" in the community.[7] African-Caribbean people are over represented in violent crimes.[8]
Some commentators have argued that the issue of black people and crime is hidden away or downplayed, and that the fear of accusations of racism may have contributed to this.[9][10]
The Metropolitan Police Service is one of the few police forces which has collected statistics on gang rape. Filmmaker Sorious Samura compiled 29 such incidents involving young people from January 2006 to March 2009, and found that, of 92 people convicted, 66 were black or mixed race. Samura said he found it "impossible to ignore the fact that such a high proportion were committed by black and mixed-race young men"
....and as a copy'n'paste from the "Race and crime in London" section (remember this is just the "B" of "BAME")
Figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that in 2007 an estimated 10.6 percent of London's population of 7,556,900 were black.[24] Evidence shows that the black population in London boroughs increases with the level of deprivation, and that the level of crime also increases with deprivation, such that "It is clear that ethnicity, deprivation, victimisation and offending are closely and intricately inter-related".[25]
In June 2010, through a Freedom of Information Act request, The Sunday Telegraph obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–2010 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 58 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[26] Robbery, drug use, and gang violence have been associated with black people since the 1960s.[27] In the 1980s and 1990s, the police associated robbery with black people. In 1995, the Metropolitan Police commissioner Paul Condon said that the majority of robberies in London were committed by black people.[28]
Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob, and snatching property. Black males accounted for 29 percent of the male victims of gun crime and 24 percent of the male victims of knife crime.[26] Of sex offences, black men made up 32 per cent of male suspects. Similar statistics were recorded for females. Of knife crime, 45 percent of suspected female perpetrators were black; for gun crime, 58 percent; and of robberies, 52 percent.[29]
Operation Trident was set up in March 1998 by the Metropolitan Police to investigate gun crime in London's black community after black-on-black shootings in Lambeth and Brent.[30]
Between April 2005 and January 2006, figures from the Metropolitan Police Service showed that black people accounted for 46 percent of car-crime arrests generated by automatic number plate recognition cameras.
Here's a link to the national crime agency most wanted page.I've previously attempted to highlight on PH that the obvious (really obvious) reason black men are stopped by police slightly more is that they are *multiple* times times more likely to be engaged in serious criminality, but I just get the standard "f-in racist pr**k" type retorts.
So, here is another attempt.....namely the wikipedia page on "Race and crime in the United Kingdom" located at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_th...
I know some of it looks dated, but let's be honest, things haven't improved
Here's the full "History" section from that page...
In 2003 Lee Jasper, a race advisor to the London mayor, said drugs and gun crime were the "biggest threat to the black community since its arrival here".[4]
In 2007, after a series of murders committed by black people, prime minister Tony Blair attributed them to a distinctive black culture: "the black community (...) need to be mobilised in denunciation of this gang culture that is killing innocent young black kids. But we won't stop this by pretending it isn't young black kids doing it."[5] Some from the black community criticised his remarks.[6]
Gang involvement is said to be a "continuing problem" in the community.[7] African-Caribbean people are over represented in violent crimes.[8]
Some commentators have argued that the issue of black people and crime is hidden away or downplayed, and that the fear of accusations of racism may have contributed to this.[9][10]
The Metropolitan Police Service is one of the few police forces which has collected statistics on gang rape. Filmmaker Sorious Samura compiled 29 such incidents involving young people from January 2006 to March 2009, and found that, of 92 people convicted, 66 were black or mixed race. Samura said he found it "impossible to ignore the fact that such a high proportion were committed by black and mixed-race young men"
....and as a copy'n'paste from the "Race and crime in London" section (remember this is just the "B" of "BAME")
Figures from the Office for National Statistics showed that in 2007 an estimated 10.6 percent of London's population of 7,556,900 were black.[24] Evidence shows that the black population in London boroughs increases with the level of deprivation, and that the level of crime also increases with deprivation, such that "It is clear that ethnicity, deprivation, victimisation and offending are closely and intricately inter-related".[25]
In June 2010, through a Freedom of Information Act request, The Sunday Telegraph obtained statistics on accusations of crime broken down by race from the Metropolitan Police Service.[n 2] The figures showed that the majority of males who were accused of violent crimes in 2009–2010 were black. Of the recorded 18,091 such accusations against males, 54 percent accused of street crimes were black; for robbery, 58 percent; and for gun crimes, 67 percent.[26] Robbery, drug use, and gang violence have been associated with black people since the 1960s.[27] In the 1980s and 1990s, the police associated robbery with black people. In 1995, the Metropolitan Police commissioner Paul Condon said that the majority of robberies in London were committed by black people.[28]
Street crimes include muggings, assault with intent to rob, and snatching property. Black males accounted for 29 percent of the male victims of gun crime and 24 percent of the male victims of knife crime.[26] Of sex offences, black men made up 32 per cent of male suspects. Similar statistics were recorded for females. Of knife crime, 45 percent of suspected female perpetrators were black; for gun crime, 58 percent; and of robberies, 52 percent.[29]
Operation Trident was set up in March 1998 by the Metropolitan Police to investigate gun crime in London's black community after black-on-black shootings in Lambeth and Brent.[30]
Between April 2005 and January 2006, figures from the Metropolitan Police Service showed that black people accounted for 46 percent of car-crime arrests generated by automatic number plate recognition cameras.
How many black faces do you see?
https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/most-wanted
ArmaghMan said:
"its been looked into and found absolutely fine",
Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
Please do ... give us some examples when most of the Cops working the streets were actually alive Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
The most recent example you can give is 30 years old
The WPC in this incident wouldn’t even have been born then
But, hey what happened 50 years ago is so relevant, it’s probably why you sectarian muppets are still fighting the battle of the boyne and killing each other
Earthdweller said:
ArmaghMan said:
"its been looked into and found absolutely fine",
Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
Please do ... give us some examples when most of the Cops working the streets were actually alive Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
The most recent example you can give is 30 years old
The WPC in this incident wouldn’t even have been born then
But, hey what happened 50 years ago is so relevant, it’s probably why you sectarian muppets are still fighting the battle of the boyne and killing each other
andymadmak said:
ArmaghMan said:
"its been looked into and found absolutely fine",
Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
You make a strong point. But, you've had to go back decades (in some cases) to make it. Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
In this day of cameras and recording devices, the internet and social media I think it's most unlikely that the Police have crossed a line with this one.
Listening to Ms Williams interview with Nick Ferrari it struck me that she knew that driving away when asked to stop was wrong. "ahh but we were going to our house that was just 20 seconds away" is not really an excuse now is it?
The fact is that they were stopped by the Police and then decided to drive off. That's going to get a robust response from the Met.
Then, watching Ms Williams video (that she shot in the car) it struck me that the 'escalation' came entirely from the couple. The WPCs remained calm and polite.
I'd love to see the rest of the footage.....
If that had been Andy and Kim Murray and he had driven on for 20 seconds to get to their own property before stopping would they have been trated like this couple?
Earthdweller said:
ArmaghMan said:
"its been looked into and found absolutely fine",
Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
Please do ... give us some examples when most of the Cops working the streets were actually alive Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
The most recent example you can give is 30 years old
The WPC in this incident wouldn’t even have been born then
But, hey what happened 50 years ago is so relevant, it’s probably why you sectarian muppets are still fighting the battle of the boyne and killing each other
Have a read 2019
BTW keep your racist comments to yourself please
Greendubber said:
biggbn said:
Greendubber said:
biggbn said:
Regardless of the situation leading up to the stop, you would think the officers involved would have been slightly more culturally aware and handled the situation with a bit more nous once they realised there were kids in the car. Standing shouting with batons at the ready? Absolute joke. I would have felt very intimidated and would likely have ended up with a night in the cells at least. Attitudes like this are the epitome of agent provocateurs.
It cant be 'regardless of the situation'Those bobbies were tasked to patrol an area where violence is rife. A vehicle driving down the wrong side of the road makes off from them. That car could be stolen, it could contain people brandishing weapons, people concealing drugs etc.
Maybe they should give the window a tickle with a feather and ask if the occupants would mind awfully if they minded the police speaking with them.
Theres zero responsibility being taken by the morons who created this situation in the first place, easier to say they're a victim of racism than actually look at why they were even being dealt with in the first place.
I am not some snowflake, I have worked in a volatile industry for over thirty years and have seen much more good policing than bad, but i have seen both sides. My initial point was about the lack of awareness shown by the officers. If the fella with the baton was in fact, as some have suggested, inexperienced, this is a man management situation as I would suggedt, sadly, IF this had been an armed bad man in the car, it would have incited the ensuing violence that doubtless would have occurred. Everyone just needs to take a breath and think in situations.
ArmaghMan said:
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire...
Have a read 2019
BTW keep your racist comments to yourself please
I’m not being racist .. you frequent these forums with your anti British bigotry and I’ll call you out on it as I have done previously Have a read 2019
BTW keep your racist comments to yourself please
And I say that as a Catholic living in Ireland
Sectarianism is an evil stain on Ireland
And those that cannot move on from it should be ashamed of themselves
So don’t try and call me a racist when you try and bring up events from 50 years ago to try and smear the British Police of today
ArmaghMan said:
Earthdweller said:
ArmaghMan said:
"its been looked into and found absolutely fine",
Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
Please do ... give us some examples when most of the Cops working the streets were actually alive Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
The most recent example you can give is 30 years old
The WPC in this incident wouldn’t even have been born then
But, hey what happened 50 years ago is so relevant, it’s probably why you sectarian muppets are still fighting the battle of the boyne and killing each other
Have a read 2019
BTW keep your racist comments to yourself please
Edited by Greendubber on Monday 6th July 20:05
ArmaghMan said:
andymadmak said:
ArmaghMan said:
"its been looked into and found absolutely fine",
Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
You make a strong point. But, you've had to go back decades (in some cases) to make it. Like The Birmingham Six convictions
The Guildford Four Convictions
Hillsborough
The initial Stephen Lawrence enquiry
Bloody Sunday
Loughinisland
Do I really need to go on?
In this day of cameras and recording devices, the internet and social media I think it's most unlikely that the Police have crossed a line with this one.
Listening to Ms Williams interview with Nick Ferrari it struck me that she knew that driving away when asked to stop was wrong. "ahh but we were going to our house that was just 20 seconds away" is not really an excuse now is it?
The fact is that they were stopped by the Police and then decided to drive off. That's going to get a robust response from the Met.
Then, watching Ms Williams video (that she shot in the car) it struck me that the 'escalation' came entirely from the couple. The WPCs remained calm and polite.
I'd love to see the rest of the footage.....
If that had been Andy and Kim Murray and he had driven on for 20 seconds to get to their own property before stopping would they have been trated like this couple?
ArmaghMan said:
Here's a link to the national crime agency most wanted page.
How many black faces do you see?
https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/most-wanted
Because no-one flees to the Costa Del Sol after mugging a granny, waving a knife at a different postcode, or dealing weedHow many black faces do you see?
https://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/most-wanted
Bigends said:
Greendubber said:
Alucidnation said:
Has the whole video been released now?
Dont hold your breath, it wont fit the narrative.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff