If masks become compulsory in shops.

[Funk]

scottyp123 said:

Funk said:

But look at them all, walking around....alive.

And calling it 'the sniffles' immediately invalidates any argument you could've made; I can see why you don't want to wear a mask for something you're not taking seriously.

Well what would you call it, it certainly isn't any sort of dangerous killer disease, 99.9% of people that catch it live. I've had it I think and I got a headache for 3 or 4 days and I'm alomost 50 and fat with high blood pressure. As for staying alive everyone I see without a mask appeared to be still alive as well.

It's a highly-infectious respiratory and vascular disease that causes significant organ damage throughout the body.

Even if people don't die from it, we're going to see significant long-term health problems arising as a result of the long-term effects of the virus on the human body.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-...

scottyp123 said:

Funk said:

I'm beginning to understand why we have the third-highest mortality rate in the world from Covid-19.

But I'm not dead, no-one I know is dead and no-one that everyone I know knows is dead or even had it. If I wanted to stand a better chance not dying prematurely I wouldn't have had eight pints yesterday.

"I haven't seen it puhrsurnurlly so therefore it doesn't exist."

Here's the irony; wearing a mask isn't about protecting yourself, it's about protecting others. It would be highly ironic if you did get it - oh look, it's the consequences of your own actions - and you may well survive it or have it mildly. But the biggest issue is that you could be infectious for a week and spreading it around to others during that time who ARE susceptible to it.

Wearing a mask is considering other peoples' well-being - and their wearing one is considering yours.

Edited by Funk on Monday 13th July 17:30

[RDMcG]

It it true that mask-wearing in the UK is about 25%?...amazingly low if so. Mandatory here in Toronto in all indoor public spaces. We are seeing very few new cases.

[anonymous-user]

Funk said:

There's not a SINGLE good reason there. Not one. We already have 44,000 people dead. America has over 130,000 dead (and going up FAST). But you like a little smile, so what's a slew of dead bodies in comparison.

fksake, I despair, I really do.

You sir are precisely the sort of person who spreads the fear and paranoia we have seen take hold of society in the last few months. You have been brainwashed by the media I'm afraid. 44,000 deaths sounds like a lot doesn't it? Scary perhaps?

It is until you realise that 180,000 a year, each and every year die prematurely from preventable heart disease. Yet precious little is done about this. Are you also aware of the 35,000 (estimated) cancer deaths that could be directly incurred as a result of the Coronavirus fear induced lockdown? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53300784

The paranoia of people like you, obsessed with the risks of Covid-19 above all else is directly helping to cause these excess deaths. Pandering to people like you is directly damaging our economy. Some people are happy to stay at home in isolation, yet expect others to go out and take risks to deliver their shopping, their Amazon parcels and generally keep the world running (wearing masks of course), whilst they chill out at home.

There is no surer thing in life than death. No point living in fear until we wait for the inevitable. Time to put on your 'big boy pants' and man up.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 13th July 17:28

[ToastMan76]

Funk said:

But look at them all, walking around....alive.

And calling it 'the sniffles' immediately invalidates any argument you could've made; I can see why you don't want to wear a mask for something you're not taking seriously.

Mental isnt it? I walked out without a mask yesterday and instantly died. I know the facts are CV19 is less likely to kill me than lightning but it happened because I didnt have a mask on!!

Lets just be serious - those pro-mask, will you be happy wearing one every time you want to go anywhere forever? Because thats what it will take. CV19 will never have a vaccine. It is less likely to kill you than pretty much most diseases. Unless you are disposing of the mask every 20 minutes you arent any more protected than if you simply wash your hands regularly. The virus, much like the other 4 coronaviruses that circulate in humanity, will be part of our life forever in one way shape or form so wearing a mask now is acceptance to wear one forever.

My theory - the government are fully aware masks do sweet fa really, but they are in a bind. Their messaging about this virus has petrified large swathes if the population into thinking that The virus is lurking right outside their front garden just waiting to pounce. Businesses are falling to pieces trying to implement social distancing, and when 70-80% of our economy is service based that cant survive with 30% footfall, they have to find a way to make it look like the advice was correct all along whilst removing social distancing. Its a very elaborate charade to stop the country collapsing. Really, a lot of social distancing went out the window 4 weeks ago with the BLM movement, and did we see a huge spike in deaths? Nope. Good thing the virus took time off to not infect those jam packed crowds.

And before anybody harps the 44k deaths figure, its very sad. Much like the 55k flu deaths in 2015. People die, its a fact of life. This virus targets those 70+ with underlying health conditions. The same people who are susceptible to ANY respiratory illness. Meanwhile us wearing masks and not catching any other bugs lead to weakened immune systems so any illness we do get is made much worse.

[ReaperCushions]

scottyp123 said:

I think the main reason that I detest mask wearing is because if we do start to wear them then the virus has won, we will turn into a Country looking like this.



When it should look like this.



I used to look at pictures of China and think thank god we live in a free country and aren't a nation of miserable faceless drones, the UK used to rule the world but now we are running scared from the sniffles, in my opinion (which is worth nothing I know) it's time to ditch every restriction going and get back out there and party whatever is likely to happen.

You have to be trolling... I mean... I really hope you are.

[bitchstewie]

El stovey said:

Funk said:

GreatGranny said:

Wow!

I'm beginning to understand why we have the third-highest mortality rate in the world from Covid-19.

But it’s against my personal freedoms!

Sums it up quite nicely really doesn't it.

Look to Japan and South Korea and their mortality rates then look at ours.

Now to be clear I'm not suggesting the reasons for that are as simple as masks.

But culturally they don't tend to be "fk you I know my rights" countries they tend to be more around the collective and the good of the group.

You'd think we may be able to learn something from that.

[isaldiri]

vixen1700 said:

Must admit it does still shock me seeing the amount of people in masks (around East London) on a really hot July day compared to a handful on the buses/tubes/trains back at the height of it all back in March.

Don't forget. Masks weren't necessary to reduce cases when there is a pressing need for the outbreak to be controlled but are absolutely required to be made mandatory now when very very few people with the virus around because it (somewhat mysteriously for a respiratory virus) spreads far more easily with very low case numbers without masks than much higher case numbers without....

[scottyp123]

BevR said:

scottyp123 said:

I think the main reason that I detest mask wearing is because if we do start to wear them then the virus has won, we will turn into a Country looking like this.


When it should look like this.


I used to look at pictures of China and think thank god we live in a free country and aren't a nation of miserable faceless drones, the UK used to rule the world but now we are running scared from the sniffles, in my opinion (which is worth nothing I know) it's time to ditch every restriction going and get back out there and party whatever is likely to happen.

Its a sign of the times that I genuinely cant tell if this post is sarcastic or not. I really hope it is.

Why would it be sarcastic, not everyone is afraid or puts the rest of the world first.

[JagLover]

El stovey said:

Funk said:

GreatGranny said:

Wow!

I'm beginning to understand why we have the third-highest mortality rate in the world from Covid-19.

But it’s against my personal freedoms!

Its not so much personal freedoms Stovey but destroying our economy over a virus that is about 2-3 times more dangerous than seasonal Flu and represents almost no statistical threat to the population under 45.

The time of reckoning for all this madness is coming.

[Brave Fart]

Funk said:

Brave Fart said:

My reasons:

1. I find them damp and sweaty, really unpleasant.
2. I think it is important to see people's facial expressions, and most importantly, smiles. It's part of being human.
3. Once implemented, there's a danger they'll become permanent.
4. I object to being told what to do by the state for something so marginal; I dislike the nanny state I suppose.
5. There's something dystopian about masks; to me they convey danger and fear, slightly sinister.

There's not a SINGLE good reason there. Not one. We already have 44,000 people dead. America has over 130,000 dead (and going up FAST). But you like a little smile, so what's a slew of dead bodies in comparison.

fksake, I despair, I really do.

What a pleasant reply, you sound like a really nice person. Swearing too, well done. Not only are you blessed with good manners, you are also able to feel exactly what it's like to be me; an extraordinary gift! Look, numbers 1, 2 and 5 are my subjective feeling on the matter. Your feelings may be different. That's life - people differ, and that fact that makes you "despair" tells me something about you, Funk.

Face coverings would have made, and will make, zero difference to any outcomes, in my opinion. You'll disagree, but then, the scientists are divided too, are they not? So we have that in common.

[ReaperCushions]

ToastMan76 said:

Funk said:

But look at them all, walking around....alive.

And calling it 'the sniffles' immediately invalidates any argument you could've made; I can see why you don't want to wear a mask for something you're not taking seriously.

Mental isnt it? I walked out without a mask yesterday and instantly died. I know the facts are CV19 is less likely to kill me than lightning but it happened because I didnt have a mask on!!

Lets just be serious - those pro-mask, will you be happy wearing one every time you want to go anywhere forever? Because thats what it will take. CV19 will never have a vaccine. It is less likely to kill you than pretty much most diseases. Unless you are disposing of the mask every 20 minutes you arent any more protected than if you simply wash your hands regularly. The virus, much like the other 4 coronaviruses that circulate in humanity, will be part of our life forever in one way shape or form so wearing a mask now is acceptance to wear one forever.

My theory - the government are fully aware masks do sweet fa really, but they are in a bind. Their messaging about this virus has petrified large swathes if the population into thinking that The virus is lurking right outside their front garden just waiting to pounce. Businesses are falling to pieces trying to implement social distancing, and when 70-80% of our economy is service based that cant survive with 30% footfall, they have to find a way to make it look like the advice was correct all along whilst removing social distancing. Its a very elaborate charade to stop the country collapsing. Really, a lot of social distancing went out the window 4 weeks ago with the BLM movement, and did we see a huge spike in deaths? Nope. Good thing the virus took time off to not infect those jam packed crowds.

And before anybody harps the 44k deaths figure, its very sad. Much like the 55k flu deaths in 2015. People die, its a fact of life. This virus targets those 70+ with underlying health conditions. The same people who are susceptible to ANY respiratory illness. Meanwhile us wearing masks and not catching any other bugs lead to weakened immune systems so any illness we do get is made much worse.

Enjoy your second wave in a month or so.

I live in the US and we are currently experiencing the fallout of exactly your attitude.

[Funk]

Brave Fart said:

Funk said:

Brave Fart said:

My reasons:

1. I find them damp and sweaty, really unpleasant.
2. I think it is important to see people's facial expressions, and most importantly, smiles. It's part of being human.
3. Once implemented, there's a danger they'll become permanent.
4. I object to being told what to do by the state for something so marginal; I dislike the nanny state I suppose.
5. There's something dystopian about masks; to me they convey danger and fear, slightly sinister.

There's not a SINGLE good reason there. Not one. We already have 44,000 people dead. America has over 130,000 dead (and going up FAST). But you like a little smile, so what's a slew of dead bodies in comparison.

fksake, I despair, I really do.

What a pleasant reply, you sound like a really nice person. Swearing too, well done. Not only are you blessed with good manners, you are also able to feel exactly what it's like to be me; an extraordinary gift! Look, numbers 1, 2 and 5 are my subjective feeling on the matter. Your feelings may be different. That's life - people differ, and that fact that makes you "despair" tells me something about you, Funk.

Face coverings would have made, and will make, zero difference to any outcomes, in my opinion. You'll disagree, but then, the scientists are divided too, are they not? So we have that in common.

[Louis Balfour]

Funk said:

Shouldn't you be wearing a face mask whilst doing that? Coronavirus lives on hard surfaces for up to three days.

[JagLover]

ReaperCushions said:

Enjoy your second wave in a month or so.

I live in the US and we are currently experiencing the fallout of exactly your attitude.

Most of the southern states didn't have a first wave as they locked down too early.

Is New York having a second wave?. Let me check, no

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/new-yo...

[Hoofy]

I wear a mask already. Don't see the issue with wearing them.

[xjay1337]

Funk said:

Brave Fart said:

Funk said:

Brave Fart said:

My reasons:

1. I find them damp and sweaty, really unpleasant.
2. I think it is important to see people's facial expressions, and most importantly, smiles. It's part of being human.
3. Once implemented, there's a danger they'll become permanent.
4. I object to being told what to do by the state for something so marginal; I dislike the nanny state I suppose.
5. There's something dystopian about masks; to me they convey danger and fear, slightly sinister.

There's not a SINGLE good reason there. Not one. We already have 44,000 people dead. America has over 130,000 dead (and going up FAST). But you like a little smile, so what's a slew of dead bodies in comparison.

fksake, I despair, I really do.

What a pleasant reply, you sound like a really nice person. Swearing too, well done. Not only are you blessed with good manners, you are also able to feel exactly what it's like to be me; an extraordinary gift! Look, numbers 1, 2 and 5 are my subjective feeling on the matter. Your feelings may be different. That's life - people differ, and that fact that makes you "despair" tells me something about you, Funk.

Face coverings would have made, and will make, zero difference to any outcomes, in my opinion. You'll disagree, but then, the scientists are divided too, are they not? So we have that in common.

You seem very frustrated. His opinion is different to yours - what's wrong in that?

[Louis Balfour]

Hoofy said:

I wear a mask already. Don't see the issue with wearing them.

Yes but you're a superhero and it's to prevent people establishing your true identity. What we are discussing here is different.

[Brave Fart]

ReaperCushions said:

Enjoy your second wave in a month or so.

I live in the US and we are currently experiencing the fallout of exactly your attitude.

Curious why you say "a month or so"? We've had the VE day celebrations at the start of May, BLM protests weeks ago, people crowding onto beaches weeks ago..............and so on. Where's our second wave then?

[PositronicRay]

xjay1337 said:

Funk said:

Brave Fart said:

Funk said:

Brave Fart said:

My reasons:

1. I find them damp and sweaty, really unpleasant.
2. I think it is important to see people's facial expressions, and most importantly, smiles. It's part of being human.
3. Once implemented, there's a danger they'll become permanent.
4. I object to being told what to do by the state for something so marginal; I dislike the nanny state I suppose.
5. There's something dystopian about masks; to me they convey danger and fear, slightly sinister.

There's not a SINGLE good reason there. Not one. We already have 44,000 people dead. America has over 130,000 dead (and going up FAST). But you like a little smile, so what's a slew of dead bodies in comparison.

fksake, I despair, I really do.

What a pleasant reply, you sound like a really nice person. Swearing too, well done. Not only are you blessed with good manners, you are also able to feel exactly what it's like to be me; an extraordinary gift! Look, numbers 1, 2 and 5 are my subjective feeling on the matter. Your feelings may be different. That's life - people differ, and that fact that makes you "despair" tells me something about you, Funk.

Face coverings would have made, and will make, zero difference to any outcomes, in my opinion. You'll disagree, but then, the scientists are divided too, are they not? So we have that in common.

You seem very frustrated. His opinion is different to yours - what's wrong in that?

What's with this mask thing becoming permanent, which tinfoil hat are you wearing?

[Cold]

JagLover said:

Cold said:

The science still appears to be arguing with itself as to the effectiveness of masks, but I'm sure one side is correct.

I'm not sure that there is that much debate.

Are you kidding? There's loads of debate. Every single aspect of this virus has had a counter-point to every point raised.

As someone who is just another member of the public with zero insight into any scientific papers or medical thought processes this whole virus debacle is a deluge of confusing and argumentative information.

I don't subscribe to Project Fear but am quite happy not to have someone cough in my face either.

Project Apathy, however, calls loudly and a significant contribution to this is the constant "these facts" no, we meant "these contrary facts" which happens all too often. It could be the fault of the government, it could be the fault of the WHO, it could be the fault of the media. It's probably all three.