Missing Woman Sarah Everard

[Clifford Chambers]

Derek Smith said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

Magog said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14294370/sarah-evera...


Suspect Named

I really really hate this naming of suspects before they have even been charged. IF the guy is not guilty then his life is effectively over. Once convicted, fine, name shame and crucify him, but just based on an arrest? No.

Hopefully Sarah will be found safe and well.

It's a fact. I think if we go to the lengths of not allowing the media to report facts, then all hope is lost. That's what happens in totalitarian states, although not for any concern about the person identified. The police do not release names of those they've arrested and not charge in the normal course of investigations. I can't be bothered to look it up, but the last time I checked, the UK was around 28th in the table with regards to freedom of the press. We don't want even more restrictions.

'Life is over' is a hyperbolic. If he's released w/o charge then he's been eliminated from enquiries, or at the very least, there's insufficient evidence to prosecute. There's a charge for every benefit, and for a fourth estate to function effectively, it will overstep the bounds of what some people call reasonable.

Tell that to Christopher Jefferies.

[Dromedary66]

The police haven't been covering themselves in glory recently

If they're not arresting people for sitting on a park bench they're kidnapping and murdering young women.

[oobster]

bhstewie said:

The indecent exposure charge seems an odd one?

I mean that doesn't just come out of nowhere does it?

He hasn't been charged with anything yet. But yes, that is odd.

[bitchstewie]

oobster said:

He hasn't been charged with anything yet. But yes, that is odd.

Yes modified my post as I'd misread the article - thanks!

[hyphen]

Dromedary66 said:

The police haven't been covering themselves in glory recently

If they're not arresting people for sitting on a park bench they're kidnapping and murdering young women.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

The arrest for indecent exposure seems an odd one?

I mean that doesn't just come out of nowhere does it?

Edited by bhstewie on Wednesday 10th March 15:45

Against a second woman it seems, wonder if that complaint somehow led them to look at him?

[PurpleTurtle]

oobster said:

bhstewie said:

The indecent exposure charge seems an odd one?

I mean that doesn't just come out of nowhere does it?

He hasn't been charged with anything yet. But yes, that is odd.

For clarity, arrested on suspicion of kidnap, murder and indecent exposure in relation to a different woman. (my bold re the latter of the three reasons for arrest)

[popeyewhite]

Derek Smith said:

It's a fact. I think if we go to the lengths of not allowing the media to report facts, then all hope is lost.

[ajap1979]

oobster said:

bhstewie said:

The indecent exposure charge seems an odd one?

I mean that doesn't just come out of nowhere does it?

He hasn't been charged with anything yet. But yes, that is odd.

It's apparently a separate allegation, presumably not connected to Sarah Everard.

[okgo]

ajap1979 said:

It's apparently a separate allegation, presumably not connected to Sarah Everard.

I'd read it was connected?

[eldar]

hyphen said:

GCHQ and NSA have hacked/can access eveything. Period.

For anything that is considered emergency, I am sure the London Intelligence will communicate with GCHQ

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/inside-the-y...

I believe NSA can, theoretically, crack a properly secured iphone. Practically, they cannot. Recent versions of Android, likewise. If the phone isn't properly secured, all bets are off.

[hyphen]

okgo said:

ajap1979 said:

It's apparently a separate allegation, presumably not connected to Sarah Everard.

I'd read it was connected?

I imagine connected as in may have happened in the same area/day? It concerns another person though.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

hyphen said:

okgo said:

ajap1979 said:

It's apparently a separate allegation, presumably not connected to Sarah Everard.

I'd read it was connected?

I imagine connected as in may have happened in the same area/day? It concerns another person though.

There's was an incident in Folkestone that someone posted earlier on Twitter in relation to this case though they provided no links as to why. Perhaps it would be wise to say no more on the subject.

Edited to add, two assaults now in Folkestone.

(NB, not sure it's anything more than websluths putting 2+2 and getting 6 but this was before the charges were announced)

Edited by LaurasOtherHalf on Wednesday 10th March 16:16

[Muddle238]

Derek Smith said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

Magog said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14294370/sarah-evera...


Suspect Named

I really really hate this naming of suspects before they have even been charged. IF the guy is not guilty then his life is effectively over. Once convicted, fine, name shame and crucify him, but just based on an arrest? No.

Hopefully Sarah will be found safe and well.

It's a fact. I think if we go to the lengths of not allowing the media to report facts, then all hope is lost. That's what happens in totalitarian states, although not for any concern about the person identified. The police do not release names of those they've arrested and not charge in the normal course of investigations. I can't be bothered to look it up, but the last time I checked, the UK was around 28th in the table with regards to freedom of the press. We don't want even more restrictions.

'Life is over' is a hyperbolic. If he's released w/o charge then he's been eliminated from enquiries, or at the very least, there's insufficient evidence to prosecute. There's a charge for every benefit, and for a fourth estate to function effectively, it will overstep the bounds of what some people call reasonable.

I agree with TriumphStag. If he’s released without charge, his name will forever be associated with being implicated in the case, which, should he in fact be innocent, is not fair. Look at the couple who were named in the Gatwick drone attack thing a few years back, hounded by the press and media prematurely, when it later transpired they were completely innocent and uninvolved.

The media, by virtue of being media, should not have any rights to publish any detail they can get their hands on it order to sell a story, if it’s going to potentially cause harm to somebody who’s not at that time been proven of being guilty. The press and especially tabloids are utter sharks, they have no morals and won’t think twice about publishing a juicy detail, however sensitive, if it might make them a quick buck.

[J6542]

g4ry13 said:

Out of interest, why has this story got so much publicity when other people go missing and it doesn't make national news? Or is it a case that the media suspect this is going to end up in bad news soon?

25 year old Asian woman and 2 children, went missing from South Gloucestershire in the middle of February.
She and one of the the children were found murdered and buried under a Kitchen floor in Dundee, last weekend.
And there was hardly much mention in the national press.

[chml]

Muddle238 said:

Derek Smith said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

Magog said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14294370/sarah-evera...


Suspect Named

I really really hate this naming of suspects before they have even been charged. IF the guy is not guilty then his life is effectively over. Once convicted, fine, name shame and crucify him, but just based on an arrest? No.

Hopefully Sarah will be found safe and well.

It's a fact. I think if we go to the lengths of not allowing the media to report facts, then all hope is lost. That's what happens in totalitarian states, although not for any concern about the person identified. The police do not release names of those they've arrested and not charge in the normal course of investigations. I can't be bothered to look it up, but the last time I checked, the UK was around 28th in the table with regards to freedom of the press. We don't want even more restrictions.

'Life is over' is a hyperbolic. If he's released w/o charge then he's been eliminated from enquiries, or at the very least, there's insufficient evidence to prosecute. There's a charge for every benefit, and for a fourth estate to function effectively, it will overstep the bounds of what some people call reasonable.

I agree with TriumphStag. If he’s released without charge, his name will forever be associated with being implicated in the case, which, should he in fact be innocent, is not fair. Look at the couple who were named in the Gatwick drone attack thing a few years back, hounded by the press and media prematurely, when it later transpired they were completely innocent and uninvolved.

The media, by virtue of being media, should not have any rights to publish any detail they can get their hands on it order to sell a story, if it’s going to potentially cause harm to somebody who’s not at that time been proven of being guilty. The press and especially tabloids are utter sharks, they have no morals and won’t think twice about publishing a juicy detail, however sensitive, if it might make them a quick buck.

I'm not sure how you can stop this now though. As soon as the police turn up at his address to remove the car and conduct a search then people in the local vicinity will know about it and then that spreads through social media and becomes a wildfire that nobody can control. Yes, the 'mainstream' press have a responsibility in what they should be able to say/report but they are looking for something that gives them something slightly different to the competition. Not saying it's right, but I genuinely don't know how you can stop this in the age o FB/Twitter etc.

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

Derek Smith said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

Magog said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14294370/sarah-evera...


Suspect Named

I really really hate this naming of suspects before they have even been charged. IF the guy is not guilty then his life is effectively over. Once convicted, fine, name shame and crucify him, but just based on an arrest? No.

Hopefully Sarah will be found safe and well.

It's a fact. I think if we go to the lengths of not allowing the media to report facts, then all hope is lost. That's what happens in totalitarian states, although not for any concern about the person identified. The police do not release names of those they've arrested and not charge in the normal course of investigations. I can't be bothered to look it up, but the last time I checked, the UK was around 28th in the table with regards to freedom of the press. We don't want even more restrictions.

'Life is over' is a hyperbolic. If he's released w/o charge then he's been eliminated from enquiries, or at the very least, there's insufficient evidence to prosecute. There's a charge for every benefit, and for a fourth estate to function effectively, it will overstep the bounds of what some people call reasonable.

Rubbish. Report facts by all means, but not the name and address of a suspect who has not yet been found guilty of anything - that is not a necessary fact. Once convicted - absolutely - go to town on the bd, but not until proven.

It's not hyperbolic. The social media crew will never accept an unproven verdict ("he got away with it", rather than "oh, he is innocent").
I suppose you would be happy if something terrible happened, that was nothing to do with you, you were arrested and then your name and address, pictures of your house, car etc were splashed all over the front pages and internet, you were later released because there was insufficient evidence, but the stigma remains and your name was forever associated with it.

As others have mentioned, there is also the other aspect of it potentially affecting a conviction to consider.

Keeping suspects names out of the press is not unreasonable.

Did the police release his name, or was it the Sun?

[anonymous-user]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

hyphen said:

okgo said:

ajap1979 said:

It's apparently a separate allegation, presumably not connected to Sarah Everard.

I'd read it was connected?

I imagine connected as in may have happened in the same area/day? It concerns another person though.

There's was an incident in Folkestone that someone posted earlier on Twitter in relation to this case though they provided no links as to why. Perhaps it would be wise to say no more on the subject.

Edited to add, two assaults now in Folkestone.

(NB, not sure it's anything more than websluths putting 2+2 and getting 6 but this was before the charges were announced)

Edited by LaurasOtherHalf on Wednesday 10th March 16:16

A property in London and two separate locations in Kent (Ashford and Deal) being searched

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

fido said:

Derek Smith said:

If he's released w/o charge then he's been eliminated from enquiries, or at the very least, there's insufficient evidence to prosecute

True, but it's still going to be an awkward conversation with the neighbours. Some 'less- enlightened' sheeple will still associate you with the crime - until they actually catch the person. I'm going with the accident/cover-up theory above - given that they live so far apart.

Edited by fido on Wednesday 10th March 15:03

Bit like that poor sod who was "identified" by the press as the guy flying the drone over Gatwick, when he had nothing to do with it.... He and his family had their lives turned upside down.

Edit: I see the drone incident was mentioned above.

Edited by TriumphStag3.0V8 on Wednesday 10th March 16:39

[anonymous-user]

berlintaxi said:

BlackWidow13 said:

berlintaxi said:

BlackWidow13 said:

Coming at this from a slightly different angle:

The arrested man lives in Kent. The area around where he lives is being searched. His partner has also been arrested.

A plausible scenario is that the young woman was hit by the arrested man driving his car. He was up in town visiting friends, knows he ought not to have been, panics, bundles the body into his car and drives off.

That is a massive leap.

And yet the Sun’s story now has been updated to show his car being seized and put onto a flatbed.

That is normal standard forensic procedure.

fking hell. Based on this afternoon’s reports it looks like the problem with the leap was that it wasn’t massive enough.

What an awful set of events. Her poor poor parents. Just terrible.