Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 5
Discussion
RichFN2 said:
Adam. said:
Might be a combination of:
recent territory gains - can be sold as a win
fear of new influx of weapons
ATACMS seems to be very efffective and now longer range
Shoigu replacement is an economist who maybe explained the financial s
tstorm Putin is creating
My vote is with the longer range ATACMS, they are simply too fast for any Russian air defence to intercept them (3x faster than HIMARS iirc) recent territory gains - can be sold as a win
fear of new influx of weapons
ATACMS seems to be very efffective and now longer range
Shoigu replacement is an economist who maybe explained the financial s
tstorm Putin is creatingI think so far the longer range version have had 100% success rate.
It's most likely a combination of decoys, maneuvering of the incoming missile and targeting of the defending radars to keep them off line.
Sheets Tabuer said:
You can't trust Russia, they've literally broken every treaty they've signed recognising Ukraines sovereignty.
This to me is them wanting a pause so they can re-arm and as soon as they have they'll go for the rest of it because there has been very little consequence so far. fk them.
Or just want to bring it up to cause confusion. Or more likely the story is just false.This to me is them wanting a pause so they can re-arm and as soon as they have they'll go for the rest of it because there has been very little consequence so far. f
k them.Hard to see why Putin would a) Want a ceasefire before November and b) Would be leaking it to the media.
BikeBikeBIke said:
Sheets Tabuer said:
You can't trust Russia, they've literally broken every treaty they've signed recognising Ukraines sovereignty.
This to me is them wanting a pause so they can re-arm and as soon as they have they'll go for the rest of it because there has been very little consequence so far. fk them.
Or just want to bring it up to cause confusion. Or more likely the story is just false.This to me is them wanting a pause so they can re-arm and as soon as they have they'll go for the rest of it because there has been very little consequence so far. f
k them.Hard to see why Putin would a) Want a ceasefire before November and b) Would be leaking it to the media.
Build up both men and equipment
Replenish stocks
…. Then go again.
I believe only solution to this is complete victory over the invading forces. Then a ceasefire and UN type buffer zones and proper assurances that if they do it again, it will be NATO alliance coming in.
LM240 said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
Sheets Tabuer said:
You can't trust Russia, they've literally broken every treaty they've signed recognising Ukraines sovereignty.
This to me is them wanting a pause so they can re-arm and as soon as they have they'll go for the rest of it because there has been very little consequence so far. fk them.
Or just want to bring it up to cause confusion. Or more likely the story is just false.This to me is them wanting a pause so they can re-arm and as soon as they have they'll go for the rest of it because there has been very little consequence so far. f
k them.Hard to see why Putin would a) Want a ceasefire before November and b) Would be leaking it to the media.
Build up both men and equipment
Replenish stocks
…. Then go again.
I believe only solution to this is complete victory over the invading forces. Then a ceasefire and UN type buffer zones and proper assurances that if they do it again, it will be NATO alliance coming in.
The alternative is Ukraine to recruit many tens of thousands of men *and* equip them *and* gain air supremecy *and* train everyone in all arms combat. Plus they'd be sacrificing a large number of those men.
I want to be wrong.
Hopefully Putin's successor might regard withdrawing as a small price for returning to the international fold.
TopTrump said:
Noy sure I believe Putin's real intentions at this point and the deal would be farcical... I do sense everyone has lost patience with it all
not exactly coming from a position of trust now is he?but its incredibly easy, stand troops down immediately return to within russian borders and send a delegation to negotiate reparations.
Prolex-UK said:
J4CKO said:
Wonder if the hunter may become the hunted here ?
Ukraine may not want to just agree to stop, might want to make a point.
Wonder if the population have the appetite to carry on if Pootin says stop. Ukraine may not want to just agree to stop, might want to make a point.
Russians - the previously comfortable and untouchable- could now find things getting a lot more uncomfortable, very quickly.
Interesting piece in the Guardian from Polands foreign minister:
“He was sceptical about Russian threats to use nuclear weapons, saying: “The Americans have told the Russians that if you explode a nuke, even if it doesn’t kill anybody, we will hit all your targets [positions] in Ukraine with conventional weapons, we’ll destroy all of them.
“I think that’s a credible threat. Also, the Chinese and the Indians have read Russia the riot act. And it’s no child’s play because if that taboo were also to be breached, like the taboo of not changing borders by force, China knows that Japan and Korea would go nuclear, and presumably they don’t want that.””
So we all knew the Russian nuclear propaganda was bulls**t but this just confirms it.
“He was sceptical about Russian threats to use nuclear weapons, saying: “The Americans have told the Russians that if you explode a nuke, even if it doesn’t kill anybody, we will hit all your targets [positions] in Ukraine with conventional weapons, we’ll destroy all of them.
“I think that’s a credible threat. Also, the Chinese and the Indians have read Russia the riot act. And it’s no child’s play because if that taboo were also to be breached, like the taboo of not changing borders by force, China knows that Japan and Korea would go nuclear, and presumably they don’t want that.””
So we all knew the Russian nuclear propaganda was bulls**t but this just confirms it.
Digga said:
Prolex-UK said:
J4CKO said:
Wonder if the hunter may become the hunted here ?
Ukraine may not want to just agree to stop, might want to make a point.
Wonder if the population have the appetite to carry on if Pootin says stop. Ukraine may not want to just agree to stop, might want to make a point.
Russians - the previously comfortable and untouchable- could now find things getting a lot more uncomfortable, very quickly.
However I think now they've seen Ukraine attack 100s of miles into russia with essentially remote control cessna's they are now realising that Putin cannot actually protect them and that they are in effect quite weak now. The talking heads on the Russian TV who keep saying 'paris in 3 months' are now made to look increasingly stupid by the fact 100 mph drones keep smashing up various key installations.
If Ukraine can get a marquee target such as the bridge or something BIG by the end of summer we could really see the stakes raised to a level that the Russians won't want to play in. They clearly cannot sustain the current losses at present, it's nearing 350,000+ dead and wounded now, a good 75% of that figure are Russian 'men'
Glasgowrob said:
but its incredibly easy, stand troops down immediately return to within russian borders and send a delegation to negotiate reparations.
Which he would never do, he will try and negotiate ceasefire and current front line is a new border (give or take), then see if the West has the stomach to continue.Iamnotkloot said:
Interesting piece in the Guardian from Polands foreign minister:
“He was sceptical about Russian threats to use nuclear weapons, saying: “The Americans have told the Russians that if you explode a nuke, even if it doesn’t kill anybody, we will hit all your targets [positions] in Ukraine with conventional weapons, we’ll destroy all of them.
“I think that’s a credible threat. Also, the Chinese and the Indians have read Russia the riot act. And it’s no child’s play because if that taboo were also to be breached, like the taboo of not changing borders by force, China knows that Japan and Korea would go nuclear, and presumably they don’t want that.””
So we all knew the Russian nuclear propaganda was bulls**t but this just confirms it.
Agreed. As is to underline the various hazards, the B52 that’s just taken off from UK this morning, flying into the Baltic.“He was sceptical about Russian threats to use nuclear weapons, saying: “The Americans have told the Russians that if you explode a nuke, even if it doesn’t kill anybody, we will hit all your targets [positions] in Ukraine with conventional weapons, we’ll destroy all of them.
“I think that’s a credible threat. Also, the Chinese and the Indians have read Russia the riot act. And it’s no child’s play because if that taboo were also to be breached, like the taboo of not changing borders by force, China knows that Japan and Korea would go nuclear, and presumably they don’t want that.””
So we all knew the Russian nuclear propaganda was bulls**t but this just confirms it.
Russia are quadruple f
ked if they even so much as just fart a bit nuclear.borcy said:
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