Half a million VWs recalled, sneaky emissions software.

[eldar]

A bit about the chemistry behind the NOx emissions...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkpoL-aQbdI

[mondeoman]

Scuffers said:

Pesty said:

Scuffers said:

I suspect this is all about the usage of adblue (as in how much used) rather than anything else

My colleague with a 2.0 2015 A4 was only saying yesterday how he hasn't had to put any in yet he's had it months we do 500 to 1k miles a week.

Wondering if it turns off the tank or reduces it when not testing

that would be the logical conclusion, a lot of the makers set them up to only need adblue refills at service, so you either need a huge tank or use sod all of it.

or a big fk off scr with minimal urea injection to manage the nox.

[944fan]

vanordinaire said:

944fan said:

Got a letter from Audi saying my car is affected and they are working on a technical solution and will have to have my car in to do whatever when they have worked out whatever they need to do.

Who cares? I don't. Can be bothered to take my car in for them to un do something which hasn't bothered me in anyway.

My wife go a similar letter 'from' Richard Harrison, Director of Seat UK today.
It confirmed that her car is affected by the emissions issue and directed her to a section of the Seat website which in turn confirmed that her car is not affected.
She replied directly to him by e-mail, asking which is wrong, his personally signed letter or his company's website. She is eagerly awaiting his reply.
If they can't even work out which cars are affected I doubt whether this'll be fixed soon.

Classic. The letter from Audi is crap also. Basically says your car is ok, but we will have to do something to fix it. We don't know what, when or how yet so stay tuned.

[P-Jay]

Haven't had my letter from Seat yet, but I'm told it's coming.

I have had an e-mail from Leigh Day "VW owner, you could be entitled to compensation...."

Frankly I'm surprised it too so long.

No chance, this has had zero, zilch, nada, sod all effect on me, even if I decide to go for the recall I suspect they'll lend me a car.

The NOx emissions of a car meant sweet fanny Adams to buyers in the UK a few weeks ago, and I'm sure it'll mean SFA to them in a few months.

[anonymous-user]

Efbe said:

um yes I am well aware this is not the same thing.
read through my posts. I was moving on from this

I am saying it is similar to program to specifically pass NOx tests as it is to get great MPG figures in test conditions.

No you're not moving on, you're moving back 60 pages. You're also wrong.

[heebeegeetee]

fblm said:

No you're not moving on, you're moving back 60 pages. You're also wrong.

Kindly explain why.

[frisbee]

heebeegeetee said:

fblm said:

No you're not moving on, you're moving back 60 pages. You're also wrong.

Kindly explain why.

Because it's absolutely unthinkable that a large outstanding pillar of integrity such as VW, one with an unblemished history of compliance, would fiddle their software to get good MPG figures and sell more cars.

[Sheepshanks]

Scuffers said:

Pesty said:

Scuffers said:

I suspect this is all about the usage of adblue (as in how much used) rather than anything else

My colleague with a 2.0 2015 A4 was only saying yesterday how he hasn't had to put any in yet he's had it months we do 500 to 1k miles a week.

Wondering if it turns off the tank or reduces it when not testing

that would be the logical conclusion, a lot of the makers set them up to only need adblue refills at service, so you either need a huge tank or use sod all of it.

They've admitted in the US that it's turned off in "highway" driving.

We have an EU6 Tiguan and were told it should last between services but VW have recently (in Aug/Sep) changed their website to say it'll use a litre about every 400 miles.

Some Tiguan owners are reporting usage rates of 200 miles per litre. With a 12L tank - which you can't let get anywhere near empty, and an awkward refill location, buried under the spare in the boot floor - this will be a right pain (and cost) for owners who do a lot of miles.

I've been assuming our car is unaffected, but if it starts munching through great quantities of Ad Blue I'm going to be less than thrilled.

[jimmyjimjim]

Sheepshanks said:

They've admitted in the US that it's turned off in "highway" driving.

We have an EU6 Tiguan and were told it should last between services but VW have recently (in Aug/Sep) changed their website to say it'll use a litre about every 400 miles.

Some Tiguan owners are reporting usage rates of 200 miles per litre. With a 12L tank - which you can't let get anywhere near empty, and an awkward refill location, buried under the spare in the boot floor - this will be a right pain (and cost) for owners who do a lot of miles.

I've been assuming our car is unaffected, but if it starts munching through great quantities of Ad Blue I'm going to be less than thrilled.

A quick back of a fag packet calc using the worst of those figures - 10 litres to 2000 miles.
10l online is ~$22. So, an additional cost of 1.1c/mile.
Say a lifetime mileage of 150k, that's an extra $1,650, ignoring the cost of any decreased mpg.

[Scuffers]

more like £12 / 5l here at discount motor factors.

[Efbe]

frisbee said:

heebeegeetee said:

fblm said:

No you're not moving on, you're moving back 60 pages. You're also wrong.

Kindly explain why.

Because it's absolutely unthinkable that a large outstanding pillar of integrity such as VW, one with an unblemished history of compliance, would fiddle their software to get good MPG figures and sell more cars.

unthinkable?

um, you do realise what events this thread is based on don't you?


edit:
edmunds proved a few years back that some cars MPG computers were incorrect.
This included the 2010 Volkswagen Jetta SportWagen TDI as the worst contender, which was exaggerating by 5.7mpg.

weren't hyundai done for MPG rigging a few years back too?

Edited by Efbe on Sunday 18th October 00:49

[RDMcG]

The class action suits are being consolidated now. I really think that VAG will never be the same again. At a guess, the lux brands will be grouped and hived off and the remainder will have to fight off the suits.

[Oilchange]

I hope they get bent over...
in fact I hope it changes the entire face of the car industry and puts diesel back into dark ages. Hateful fuel...

Edited by Oilchange on Sunday 18th October 03:29

[Scuffers]

Oilchange said:

I hope they get bent over...
in fact I hope it changes the entire face of the car industry and puts diesel back into dark ages. Hateful fuel...

and just who do you think will be picking up the tab if they do get 'bent over' as you put it?

Yes, that's right, you (along with the rest of us)

Question for you, Exactly what purpose/good will be served by screwing VW?

[RYH64E]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/in...

This is a strange situation, some investors suing VW for €40bn because their actions have wiped €25bn from the share price, leaving aside the fact that it's only some investors and €40bn>€25bn, what would happen to the share price if they win their action? I can't see that VW could afford to pay the worldwide fines, cost of vehicle recalls, inevitable compensation to owners, and €40bn to shareholders on top, so how do shareholders benefit by pushing their company even closer to the edge?

[Foppo]

Any share is a gamble,you win some and you lose some.If V.W made the shareholders a fortune by cheating nobody would have complained.

[Oilchange]

Curious to know how I will be screwed over. Frankly motor manufacturers have been fined massively by numerous goverments in the past and I have yet to feel the pinch. I also cant imagine them passing on the pain to consumers unless VW decide to up prices to cover their fines. That would do them the world of good, not.
Stand to be corrected of course.
I still hope VAG get nailed btw.

quote=Scuffers]
and just who do you think will be picking up the tab if they do get 'bent over' as you put it?

Yes, that's right, you (along with the rest of us)

Question for you, Exactly what purpose/good will be served by screwing VW?
[/quote]

[Scuffers]

Scuffers said:

and just who do you think will be picking up the tab if they do get 'bent over' as you put it?

Yes, that's right, you (along with the rest of us)

Question for you, Exactly what purpose/good will be served by screwing VW?

Oilchange said:

Curious to know how I will be screwed over. Frankly motor manufacturers have been fined massively by numerous goverments in the past and I have yet to feel the pinch. I also cant imagine them passing on the pain to consumers unless VW decide to up prices to cover their fines. That would do them the world of good, not.
Stand to be corrected of course.
I still hope VAG get nailed btw.

where do you think the money will come from?

the magic money tree or the EU taxpayer?

[hornetrider]

RYH64E said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/in...

This is a strange situation, some investors suing VW for €40bn because their actions have wiped €25bn from the share price, leaving aside the fact that it's only some investors and €40bn>€25bn, what would happen to the share price if they win their action? I can't see that VW could afford to pay the worldwide fines, cost of vehicle recalls, inevitable compensation to owners, and €40bn to shareholders on top, so how do shareholders benefit by pushing their company even closer to the edge?

Seems like turkeys voting for Christmas if you ask me. They should also know that the value of shares could go down as well as up.

[anonymous-user]

Oilchange said:

Curious to know how I will be screwed over. Frankly motor manufacturers have been fined massively by numerous goverments in the past and I have yet to feel the pinch. I also cant imagine them passing on the pain to consumers unless VW decide to up prices to cover their fines. That would do them the world of good, not.
Stand to be corrected of course.
I still hope VAG get nailed btw.

quote=Scuffers]
and just who do you think will be picking up the tab if they do get 'bent over' as you put it?

Yes, that's right, you (along with the rest of us)

Question for you, Exactly what purpose/good will be served by screwing VW?

Scuffers is quite right. There's a massive, unnecessary loss and cost involved that will not only touch VW. If the company is seriously damaged financially, which looks inevitable, there will be job losses throughout Europe. We all pay for that.

VW is a huge taxpayer. It's contribution will fall significantly so either someone else will pay more or we'll suffer in some other way

All because VW 'cheated' in some meaningless test procedure, which now it appears wasn't carried out on several other prestige brands because it would hAve cost too much to obtain their vehicles

So we still don't know whether MB, BMW et al would pass muster if tested like VW were.