Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 6)

[Down and out]

It's always in X amount of years, why can't it be now? I live miles from the beach.

[Gadgetmac]

Down and out said:

Langweilig said:

So now, some bod at the United Nations has warned everybody that things are very serious and all sorts of nasty things will happen due to "climate change".

Guess what? It's happened before - thirty years ago.

I really am surprised at how gullible a lot of people are nowadays.
Glug.

Yeah #metoo.

[kerplunk]

Down and out said:

Langweilig said:

So now, some bod at the United Nations has warned everybody that things are very serious and all sorts of nasty things will happen due to "climate change".

Guess what? It's happened before - thirty years ago.

I really am surprised at how gullible a lot of people are nowadays.
Glug.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nations-vanish-global-warming/

[Gadgetmac]

kerplunk said:

Down and out said:

Langweilig said:

So now, some bod at the United Nations has warned everybody that things are very serious and all sorts of nasty things will happen due to "climate change".

Guess what? It's happened before - thirty years ago.

I really am surprised at how gullible a lot of people are nowadays.
Glug.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nations-vanish-global-warming/

Spoilsport, I was enjoying that.

[Kawasicki]

Gadgetmac said:

Spoilsport, I was enjoying that.

The Snopes article linked to states that the attribution of this quote is correct. This wasn’t a one off article on this topic either.

[Gadgetmac]

Kawasicki said:

Gadgetmac said:

Spoilsport, I was enjoying that.

The Snopes article linked to states that the attribution of this quote is correct. This wasn’t a one off article on this topic either.

Duh, I know, I said as much myself. Do keep up.

[Gandahar]

Couple of thoughts

1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-505...

"A critical 12 months in the battle against rising temperatures begins in Madrid this week, as UN delegates gather for key talks."

Where is the scientific data for it being 12 months?

2. "The UN Secretary General warned delegates ahead of the meeting "the point of no return was no longer over the horizon"."

OK, so as you can now seen it, when is the point of no return? Date please

The problem this is all hyperbole from politics yet again because they are policicians.

I'm pretty sure there is human caused climate warming but it's a tricky subject and needs more investigation whilst humans reduce that side whilst also putting some food on the table for their family. Something the IPCC forgets from their well paid positions.

[scottydoesntknow]

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned but has anyone watched ‘Meat: A threat to our planet’? (it’s on iplayer with the lovely Liz Bonin).

Apparently meat production is responsible for more greenhouse gasses than all of our transportation from cars, trucks, planes and shipping combined.

[kerplunk]

jshell said:

Wayoftheflower said:

jshell said:

Wayoftheflower said:

jshell said:

Wayoftheflower said:

Done. Next!

Did you just quote Skeptical Science? The website run by the cartoonist who dresses up as a Nazi in his spare time? Scrape.

https://thelukewarmersway.wordpress.com/2015/07/24...

Edited by jshell on Wednesday 27th November 13:45

Didn't read that article very carefully did you?

I did. Are you referring to the dead guy who says it was a photoshop? The rest is scathing of Cook...

Have I missed your point?

Almost certainly, for those interested in a more mainstream (sans photoshops) bio piece of Physicist John Cook can read this.

Ah, so the rest of the critical article means nothing, but the dead guy 'supposedly' said it was a photoshop, and that's what you're focusing on?

That picture has been around for many, many years with anyone trying a 'Prince Andrew' on it...

Of course the picture has been around for many years - it's Himmler

[Pesty]

turbobloke said:

Gadgetmac said:

Kelly is a controversial ultra-right political figure so it's no surprise you have his musings on tap.

Not on tap but I get news feeds which even you might manage if you try.

Returning to relevance, are you saying that left wingers wouldn't report on climate data diddling?

Your comment makes no difference at all to what happened with the data.

Another shoot-the-messenger ad hom fallacy bites the dust.

Must dehumanise those he doesn’t agree with.

Once in his head they are lower than him sub human right wing ( obviously dog whistle for racist) , they can be attacked verbally and physically with impunity, ignored.

[Halb]

Farage on BBC2 now, first question, climate change.

[DaveGrohl]

scottydoesntknow said:

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned but has anyone watched ‘Meat: A threat to our planet’? (it’s on iplayer with the lovely Liz Bonin).

Apparently meat production is responsible for more greenhouse gasses than all of our transportation from cars, trucks, planes and shipping combined.

Yes I watched it sadly. It's the biggest pile of utter rubbish I've ever seen on BBC and that's saying something.

Liz Bonnin has gone down in my estimation as she has bull stted a huge number of otherwise confused people with this propaganda video. Where to start? I'd be here for the rest of the week giving you some actual facts rather than the stream of lies from that programme.

Taking just one actual fact: the entire agriculture industry worldwide is responsible for 10% of global emissions, and that's both animal and crop combined, of which animals contribute about half. Contrast that with the other 90%, most of which are coming from energy, homes, industrial and transport. That puts it all in perspective. Even in the US, which was held up as a horrific offender when it comes to animal emissions, the figure from livestock farming is 3.5%. Their emissions are so low precisely because their systems are so efficient. I'm not saying I agree with everything that goes on around the world in lvestock farming but hoodwinking people into believing they're helping the environment by not eating meat is a ridiculous cul-de-sac which will help no one, least of all the people who try to go vegan as a result of all this propaganda.

Liz Bonnin actually spoke to some proper medium scale livestock farmers making that programme, as well as the big boys in America or just looking out of a plane (lol!!), but she couldn't include those interviews as it didn't fit her narrative. I've seen one of these clips and she clearly didn't know how to fit it in without spoiling the overall tone. The sop to the Good Lifers in Wales was just pathetic.

God help her if Joe Rogan and Chris Kresser ever do an analysis of her programme.

[Diderot]

Gandahar said:

Couple of thoughts

1. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-505...

"A critical 12 months in the battle against rising temperatures begins in Madrid this week, as UN delegates gather for key talks."

Where is the scientific data for it being 12 months?

2. "The UN Secretary General warned delegates ahead of the meeting "the point of no return was no longer over the horizon"."

OK, so as you can now seen it, when is the point of no return? Date please

The problem this is all hyperbole from politics yet again because they are policicians.

I'm pretty sure there is human caused climate warming but it's a tricky subject and needs more investigation whilst humans reduce that side whilst also putting some food on the table for their family. Something the IPCC forgets from their well paid positions.

Indeed. The cwimate emergency is so serious that 25,000 delegates simply had to attend. No doubt they all travelled there by the power of fairy farts. Hypocritical fkers.

[jshell]

On the political side, I think we've almost reached 'peak hysteria'. More and more feeds on line and people in general are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature.

[Diderot]

jshell said:

On the political side, I think we've almost reached 'peak hysteria'. More and more feeds on line and people in general are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature.

We can but hope.

[jshell]

Diderot said:

jshell said:

On the political side, I think we've almost reached 'peak hysteria'. More and more feeds on line and people in general are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature.

We can but hope.

It's coming. This endless 'Crying Wolf' was bound to com eback and bite the charlattans!

[Diderot]

jshell said:

Diderot said:

jshell said:

On the political side, I think we've almost reached 'peak hysteria'. More and more feeds on line and people in general are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature.

We can but hope.

It's coming. This endless 'Crying Wolf' was bound to com eback and bite the charlattans!

Yep. Hence the hyperbolic language and the brazen stance by The Guardian, BBC and others admitting they are ramping up the rhetoric. Climate Emergency my arse. What a crock.

[jshell]

Diderot said:

jshell said:

Diderot said:

jshell said:

On the political side, I think we've almost reached 'peak hysteria'. More and more feeds on line and people in general are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature.

We can but hope.

It's coming. This endless 'Crying Wolf' was bound to com eback and bite the charlattans!

Yep. Hence the hyperbolic language and the brazen stance by The Guardian, BBC and others admitting they are ramping up the rhetoric. Climate Emergency my arse. What a crock.

The turning point appears to, ironically, be the rise of Gretaism and XR. They have come out to state what many of us have know for many years, the science may be settled, but it no longer matters. This is all about Political Change, not Climate Change.

It's good to see it, and not before time!

[anonymous-user]

jshell said:

Diderot said:

jshell said:

On the political side, I think we've almost reached 'peak hysteria'. More and more feeds on line and people in general are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature.

We can but hope.

It's coming. This endless 'Crying Wolf' was bound to com eback and bite the charlattans!

Turbobloke’s been saying this for years about the tide turning and countries turning their backs on the Paris agreement etc but all the time most countries are actually increasing commitments.

There’s much more about climate change on the tv etc. It’s something talked about loads in the election.

I don’t see any evidence myself to support your statement that “people are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature“

Yougov in September had a big focus on climate change

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/science/articles-repor...

Which indicated pretty widespread public support for AGW science.

There was another one about conspiracy theories

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/science/articles-repor...






Obviously you’ve said people are waking up which might suggest the tide is only beginning to turn, it’s harder to find polls which show how views have changed over time. This is an American one from Yale,



https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications...







Again it doesn’t support your view that “ people are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature“

[jshell]

El stovey said:

jshell said:

Diderot said:

jshell said:

On the political side, I think we've almost reached 'peak hysteria'. More and more feeds on line and people in general are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature.

We can but hope.

It's coming. This endless 'Crying Wolf' was bound to com eback and bite the charlattans!

Turbobloke’s been saying this for years about the tide turning and countries turning their backs on the Paris agreement etc but all the time most countries are actually increasing commitments.

There’s much more about climate change on the tv etc. It’s something talked about loads in the election.

I don’t see any evidence myself to support your statement that “people are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature“

Yougov in September had a big focus on climate change

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/science/articles-repor...

Which indicated pretty widespread public support for AGW science.

There was another one about conspiracy theories

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/science/articles-repor...






Obviously you’ve said people are waking up which might suggest the tide is only beginning to turn, it’s harder to find polls which show how views have changed over time. This is an American one from Yale,



https://climatecommunication.yale.edu/publications...







Again it doesn’t support your view that “ people are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature“

Interesting numbers you've dug out, but I suppose I was thinking about the younger more social media savvy generations as that's where there's more chat and focus... As always, prepared to be proven wrong in the debate!