Israel invaded

[captain.scarlet]

Scrimpton said:

captain.scarlet said:

Keep burying your head in the sand.

Israel is a state created by outsiders for outsiders.

By being pretty much the only non-failed state in the middle east not propped up by hydrocarbons they seem to be doing rather better than the insiders.

That's not the point, genocide apologist.

[julian987R]

captain.scarlet said:

That's not the point, genocide apologist.

[rscott]

Interesting article here on the accuracy of Gazan death figures - https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/ .

[julian987R]

rscott said:

Interesting article here on the accuracy of Gazan death figures - https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/ .

So it’s not 29,524, it’s bang on 30,000?! utter nonsense.

[jeff666]

julian987R said:

rscott said:

Interesting article here on the accuracy of Gazan death figures - https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/ .

So it’s not 29,524, it’s bang on 30,000?! utter nonsense.

The article clearly states "over 30,000 deaths"

still 130 hostages being held, Hamas won't release them until a ceasefire is agreed and Israel won't agree to a ceasefire.

75 years and counting.

[youngsyr]

captain.scarlet said:

youngsyr said:

captain.scarlet said:

julian987R said:

youngsyr said:

Almost perfectly linear reported deaths for 15 days straight in a war zone is highly suspicious.

and its never a number like 619, its always a multiple of a thousand.
How can numbers than go up that way be accurate. How people fall for this cr*p amazes me.

Keep burying your head in the sand.

Israel is a state created by outsiders for outsiders.

Zzzzz.

Change the record mate. We get it, you're rabidly anti-Israeli, no need to keep reminding us.

You IDF fan boys done with the "do you condemn hamas" stuff yet?

Zzzzzz.

You have literally nothing to add to this thread.

[youngsyr]

rscott said:

Interesting article here on the accuracy of Gazan death figures - https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/ .

Interesting reading, albeit a bit verbiose. I guess time will tell whether the 30,000 figure is wildly over-exagerrated or about on the money.

I guess the secondary consideration is how many of those are Hamas fighters?

[rscott]

youngsyr said:

rscott said:

Interesting article here on the accuracy of Gazan death figures - https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/ .

Interesting reading, albeit a bit verbiose. I guess time will tell whether the 30,000 figure is wildly over-exagerrated or about on the money.

I guess the secondary consideration is how many of those are Hamas fighters?

Israeli estimates are that Hamas had about 30,000 fighters - https://www.npr.org/2024/02/01/1228462647/what-doe...
- and that they'd killed about 9,000 by the end of January.

[julian987R]

jeff666 said:

The article clearly states "over 30,000 deaths"

still 130 hostages being held, Hamas won't release them until a ceasefire is agreed and Israel won't agree to a ceasefire.

75 years and counting.

7500 years more at least

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/anzAp9z_460s...

[julian987R]

captain.scarlet said:

That's not the point, genocide apologist.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Its not your war. Its not your business. Watch and listen.....

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aNwywQ0_460s...

[McGee_22]

captain.scarlet said:

That's not the point, genocide apologist.

This is nothing like a genocide - your perpetual use of the word weakens the argument against the overreach by the IDF.

If it were genocide there would be at least 100,000 if not close to a quarter of a million dead by now.

Genocide is what Hamas wish for.

[youngsyr]

McGee_22 said:

captain.scarlet said:

That's not the point, genocide apologist.

This is nothing like a genocide - your perpetual use of the word weakens the argument against the overreach by the IDF.

If it were genocide there would be at least 100,000 if not close to a quarter of a million dead by now.

Genocide is what Hamas wish for.

Ignore him; he can't count and he doesn't understand the meaning of the words he uses.

It's not possible to have a reasoned discussion with him.

[fizz47]

Except 15 judges at the International Court of Justice has stated in their interim statement that there is a risk of ‘plausible genocide’ by Israel.

https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203447


Unfortunately the full case won’t be tried until many years to come by which time who knows how many more innocents lives will be lost ..

Just like this repeated pattern of Zionists trying to shut down debate Israeli govt even tried to claim that South Africa taking Israel to court was anti-Semitic.

Israeli govt and it’s supporters think they they are above the law and should be given free pass when to comes to killing Palestinians just like their expansion of illegal settlements.

[fizz47]

Oxfam statement


‘Israeli authorities are not only failing to facilitate the international aid effort but are actively hindering it. We believe that Israel is failing to take all measures within its power to prevent genocide.’

https://x.com/oxfam/status/1769514069046817087?s=4...


Pretty much every single aid agency are saying the same thing .. the only ones saying ‘nothing to see here’ is the Israeli govt who are response for the plausible genocide or the US who are pretending nothings happening …

[youngsyr]

fizz47 said:

Except 15 judges at the International Court of Justice has stated in their interim statement that there is a risk of ‘plausible genocide’ by Israel.

https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203447


Unfortunately the full case won’t be tried until many years to come by which time who knows how many more innocents lives will be lost ..

Just like this repeated pattern of Zionists trying to shut down debate Israeli govt even tried to claim that South Africa taking Israel to court was anti-Semitic.

Israeli govt and it’s supporters think they they are above the law and should be given free pass when to comes to killing Palestinians just like their expansion of illegal settlements.

"In the Court’s view, at least some of the acts and omissions alleged by South Africa to have been committed by Israel in Gaza appear to be capable of falling within the provisions of the Convention."

So they don't conclude the events even happened, let alone were genocidal.

[Biker 1]

Again all this talk of 'genocide'.
Again, if the numbers are to be believed: 30k dead. C.10k dead terrorists. Total population= 2.4 million, so 1% collateral damage.
According to some of the posts above, this is genocide. Was Black September a genocide? How about Hafez Assad back in the day? Saddam Hussein?
The aid thing is strange: why didn't the residents of Gaza work for food self sufficiency over the years? It seems they have been totally reliant on the outside world to feed them from the day dot - perhaps they should have invested in tractors, irrigation equipment etc rather than tunnel building & rocket manufacture ??

[McGee_22]

jeff666 said:

The article clearly states "over 30,000 deaths"

still 130 hostages being held, Hamas won't release them until a ceasefire is agreed and Israel won't agree to a ceasefire.

75 years and counting.

I don't think that is true (in bold). I believe the reason the Israelis won't agree to a ceasefire is two-fold regarding the hostages.

1. Hamas won't tell Israel (or anyone) how many of the 130 hostages are even alive or dead, and
2. Hamas won't guarantee the release of all the 130 hostages (whether alive or dead) even if there is a ceasefire agreed.

[mko9]

And HAMAS want a 10:1 exchange rate for the hostages

[Resolutionary]

youngsyr said:

I guess the secondary consideration is how many of those are Hamas fighters?

Maybe a third consideration could be.. how many of the 30k+ are Jewish. People seem to (wrongly) assume Palestine is exclusively Arab / Muslim.
I condemn Hamas, by the way.

[mko9]

According to wikipedia, the Jewish population of Gaza was 0 as of mid-2023. The CIA World Factbook says the Gaza population is exclusively Palestinian Arabs. I don't see any sources that suggest any jews live in Gaza, I can't imagine they would have survived for long. So persumably the only jews in Gaza are the hostages.

Edited by mko9 on Monday 18th March 20:43