North Korea - how serious should we take them?
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And now Dear Leader is giving them Top Gear....
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/10026...
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/10026...
pablo said:
As far as the KPAF goes, these stats are generally considered to be fairly accurate. Given the issues we have keeping 60 odd Hawk T1s in the air there is no hope in hell that NK have any more than whats listed below!
Fighter aircraft: 484
Only 23 are known to be operational. 7 MiG-29s, and 16 MiG-23
Strike aircraft: 194
Less than 11 are known to be operational. All are SU-25s.
Trainer aircraft: 357
Less than 30 are known to be operational.
Transport aircraft: ~500
Less than 30 are known to be operational. 2 Il-76MDs, < 4 Mi-8s, < 20 Mi-2s
Other: 82+
Less than 19 are known to be operational. 1 Antonov An-24, and 18 MD-500D
I suspect there is a difference between 'operational' in peacetime and 'could be got into the air at a pinch' in wartime.Fighter aircraft: 484
Only 23 are known to be operational. 7 MiG-29s, and 16 MiG-23
Strike aircraft: 194
Less than 11 are known to be operational. All are SU-25s.
Trainer aircraft: 357
Less than 30 are known to be operational.
Transport aircraft: ~500
Less than 30 are known to be operational. 2 Il-76MDs, < 4 Mi-8s, < 20 Mi-2s
Other: 82+
Less than 19 are known to be operational. 1 Antonov An-24, and 18 MD-500D
ChemicalChaos said:
He already has one... But despite being as big as their ancient Taep O Dong rockets (badly copied ripoffs of Ruski cold war missiles) can carry, the yield is so pathetic that detonating it in the middle of Central Park would leave Times Square unaffected
Of course, that assuming the missile doesn't miss the USA completely....
Nobody knows how heavy their nukes are, or at least it's not public knowledge. I'd be absolutely astonished if they've built one that's light enough to be carried by their ICBMs. Of course, that assuming the missile doesn't miss the USA completely....
pablo said:
And now Dear Leader is giving them Top Gear....
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/10026...
This years Xmas special has it's location sorted then http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/10026...
Zod said:
superkartracer said:
Mostly 50-60 year old hardware. They are still flying MIG 17s FFS! It wouldn't have a hope against US technology. They could launch hundreds of MIG 17s and 21s and the only issue for the Americans would be loading enough armament on a handful of places to shoot down the lotin a matter of minutes from way outside Korean visual or radar contact.Beware the NK Haircut Police...
First this
Then a visit...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-270387...
First this
Then a visit...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-270387...
The ferry sinking in SK waters. Another NK torp?
From the BBC:
"It is not yet clear what caused the incident, but witnesses described hearing an impact, before the ship listed and quickly sank.
One passenger told the YTN news channel: "We heard a big thumping sound and the boat stopped."
Don't trust the north, ever.
From the BBC:
"It is not yet clear what caused the incident, but witnesses described hearing an impact, before the ship listed and quickly sank.
One passenger told the YTN news channel: "We heard a big thumping sound and the boat stopped."
Don't trust the north, ever.
Munter said:
Could a collision with a submerged container knock a hole in the ferry?
Guess it's theoretically possible and that area is going to be very busy with container ships, but if the container had much weight to it, it'd sink anyway, so unless it was a fluke corner-on type impact, you;d hope it wasn't possible.Grumfutock said:
Sinking inside of 2 hours, it would have to be a bloody big hole, but it could of been one of those armoured NK whale sympathiser.
If it is military action i would suspect a mine attached to the hull. Sea mine or torp would be obvious by the water tower it would create.
I wonder how you even responde to things like this if it were the result of military attack.If it is military action i would suspect a mine attached to the hull. Sea mine or torp would be obvious by the water tower it would create.
Say it was a cross channel ferry and an non EU nation sunk it deliberatly what would our responce be. The rational part of my mind says sactions, international condemnation, shouting in the UN etc, I just don't see war if it were a one off. In the waters around Korea though hmm maybe but then you are talking 100,000 deaths or more so is it worth it. But then do the South Koreans just accept being killed off now and again. Really hard to see a logical outcome to all of this.
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