Are the left wing less tolerant of the views of others?
Discussion
ZedLeg said:
I’ve looked through the first couple of pages and it just seems to be the usual NP&E “lefties amirite?” banter.
You’re always going to find outliers on every political viewpoint, that doesn’t mean they represent the whole viewpoint.
To say lefties are intolerant because 10 people did something is the same as saying right wingers are all racist because some guy is making racist YouTube videos.
If everyone on the right failed to condemn a racist video and dismissed it as a joke, the statement would be quite accurate.You’re always going to find outliers on every political viewpoint, that doesn’t mean they represent the whole viewpoint.
To say lefties are intolerant because 10 people did something is the same as saying right wingers are all racist because some guy is making racist YouTube videos.
ZedLeg said:
Surely dismissing these things is the way to go, no?
The kind of histrionic reaction we've come to expect from some high profile fringe politicians only brings more attention to them.
You'd have to be consistent. There are Tweets the police have become involved in which I would say are pretty low level offences. There seems to be quite a high bar though where these groups aren't protected (you'd have to direct me towards definitions of that) where there would actually have to have been a physical attack. See harassment of Boris Johnson's girlfriend for example. The equivalent offence aimed at a different target would have to be a mild swear word on Twitter I presume.The kind of histrionic reaction we've come to expect from some high profile fringe politicians only brings more attention to them.
Edited by R Mutt on Tuesday 9th July 17:06
ZedLeg said:
I’ve looked through the first couple of pages and it just seems to be the usual NP&E “lefties amirite?” banter.
You’re always going to find outliers on every political viewpoint, that doesn’t mean they represent the whole viewpoint.
To say lefties are intolerant because 10 people did something is the same as saying right wingers are all racist because some guy is making racist YouTube videos.
Every person I have ever known that would fall into the racist category(types that are sharing Tommy and Brittain first stuff e.t.c) was a leftist, and it truly baffles me as to why racists are called right or far right.You’re always going to find outliers on every political viewpoint, that doesn’t mean they represent the whole viewpoint.
To say lefties are intolerant because 10 people did something is the same as saying right wingers are all racist because some guy is making racist YouTube videos.
Edited by NoNeed on Wednesday 10th July 08:38
NoNeed said:
ZedLeg said:
I’ve looked through the first couple of pages and it just seems to be the usual NP&E “lefties amirite?” banter.
You’re always going to find outliers on every political viewpoint, that doesn’t mean they represent the whole viewpoint.
To say lefties are intolerant because 10 people did something is the same as saying right wingers are all racist because some guy is making racist YouTube videos.
Every person I have ever known that would fall into the racist category(sharing Tommy and Brittain first stuff e.t.c) was a leftist, and it truly baffles me as to why racists are called right or far right.You’re always going to find outliers on every political viewpoint, that doesn’t mean they represent the whole viewpoint.
To say lefties are intolerant because 10 people did something is the same as saying right wingers are all racist because some guy is making racist YouTube videos.
MDMetal said:
NoNeed said:
ZedLeg said:
I’ve looked through the first couple of pages and it just seems to be the usual NP&E “lefties amirite?” banter.
You’re always going to find outliers on every political viewpoint, that doesn’t mean they represent the whole viewpoint.
To say lefties are intolerant because 10 people did something is the same as saying right wingers are all racist because some guy is making racist YouTube videos.
Every person I have ever known that would fall into the racist category(sharing Tommy and Brittain first stuff e.t.c) was a leftist, and it truly baffles me as to why racists are called right or far right.You’re always going to find outliers on every political viewpoint, that doesn’t mean they represent the whole viewpoint.
To say lefties are intolerant because 10 people did something is the same as saying right wingers are all racist because some guy is making racist YouTube videos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_pol...
MDMetal said:
I've always felt that fundamentally if you believe in the state telling you what is and isn't ok and believe the state should be involved in aspects of your life your instantly less tolerant because your seeking a body to control people. If your slightly more to the right your focused on providing the basics and letting people get on with it and largely don't care how they do it if they stay within the law. People on the right don't generally want to interfere with everyone's life nor feel compelled to make sure everyone's adhering to the one single correct view that seems to be expressed.
I broadly agree with you, though technically those dull "political compass" charts do away with this by having a left/right and authoritarian/libertarian axis. It's no surprise to me that PH has a right-wing bias as it strikes me that an enthusiasm for private transport is likely to correlate with an enthusiasm for personal freedom and a disdain for social control.
Randy Winkman said:
MDMetal said:
NoNeed said:
ZedLeg said:
I’ve looked through the first couple of pages and it just seems to be the usual NP&E “lefties amirite?” banter.
You’re always going to find outliers on every political viewpoint, that doesn’t mean they represent the whole viewpoint.
To say lefties are intolerant because 10 people did something is the same as saying right wingers are all racist because some guy is making racist YouTube videos.
Every person I have ever known that would fall into the racist category(sharing Tommy and Brittain first stuff e.t.c) was a leftist, and it truly baffles me as to why racists are called right or far right.You’re always going to find outliers on every political viewpoint, that doesn’t mean they represent the whole viewpoint.
To say lefties are intolerant because 10 people did something is the same as saying right wingers are all racist because some guy is making racist YouTube videos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left–right_pol...
NoNeed said:
Every person I have ever known that would fall into the racist category(types that are sharing Tommy and Brittain first stuff e.t.c) was a leftist, and it truly baffles me as to why racists are called right or far right.
That's a distinct category in itself, and without sounding like the vile Emily Thornberry, among those I grew up with it's working-class white tradesmen who will equally share posts attacking immigrants, Tories, bankers. The irony being that should be Labour's core voter base.Edited by NoNeed on Wednesday 10th July 08:38
The people I associate with now tend to be the better educated middle-class Labour voter, those more concerned with the plight of minorities.
These seem to be the current model of left and right
R Mutt said:
NoNeed said:
Every person I have ever known that would fall into the racist category(types that are sharing Tommy and Brittain first stuff e.t.c) was a leftist, and it truly baffles me as to why racists are called right or far right.
That's a distinct category in itself, and without sounding like the vile Emily Thornberry, among those I grew up with it's working-class white tradesmen who will equally share posts attacking immigrants, Tories, bankers. The irony being that should be Labour's core voter base.Edited by NoNeed on Wednesday 10th July 08:38
The people I associate with now tend to be the better educated middle-class Labour voter, those more concerned with the plight of minorities.
These seem to be the current model of left and right
NoNeed said:
That fits with my experience, you only have to look at those attending Tommy marches, hardly tories or people that want to privatise the NHS, these are people that traditionally vote Labour
I always take great interest in the gulf between these groups of Labour voters who (at least in terms of the economy) share the same views. I don't think could bring myself to read Owen Jones' 'Chavs' but I wonder how the poor cousins became so disenfranchised. R Mutt said:
NoNeed said:
That fits with my experience, you only have to look at those attending Tommy marches, hardly tories or people that want to privatise the NHS, these are people that traditionally vote Labour
I always take great interest in the gulf between these groups of Labour voters who (at least in terms of the economy) share the same views. I don't think could bring myself to read Owen Jones' 'Chavs' but I wonder how the poor cousins became so disenfranchised. R Mutt said:
That's a distinct category in itself, and without sounding like the vile Emily Thornberry, among those I grew up with it's working-class white tradesmen who will equally share posts attacking immigrants, Tories, bankers. The irony being that should be Labour's core voter base.
The people I associate with now tend to be the better educated middle-class Labour voter, those more concerned with the plight of minorities.
These seem to be the current model of left and right
This is something that worries me. There is room opening up for a party which plays on anti-imigration, pro-working class / NHS. It could allow an extreme right wing party to form (they had a go with UKIP which got taken over by the more obviously right wing).The people I associate with now tend to be the better educated middle-class Labour voter, those more concerned with the plight of minorities.
These seem to be the current model of left and right
AstonZagato said:
This is something that worries me. There is room opening up for a party which plays on anti-imigration, pro-working class / NHS. It could allow an extreme right wing party to form (they had a go with UKIP which got taken over by the more obviously right wing).
Seems to work in Europe.R Mutt said:
NoNeed said:
Every person I have ever known that would fall into the racist category(types that are sharing Tommy and Brittain first stuff e.t.c) was a leftist, and it truly baffles me as to why racists are called right or far right.
That's a distinct category in itself, and without sounding like the vile Emily Thornberry, among those I grew up with it's working-class white tradesmen who will equally share posts attacking immigrants, Tories, bankers. The irony being that should be Labour's core voter base.Edited by NoNeed on Wednesday 10th July 08:38
The people I associate with now tend to be the better educated middle-class Labour voter, those more concerned with the plight of minorities.
These seem to be the current model of left and right
AstonZagato said:
This is something that worries me. There is room opening up for a party which plays on anti-imigration, pro-working class / NHS. It could allow an extreme right wing party to form (they had a go with UKIP which got taken over by the more obviously right wing).
Wouldn't that be extreme left wing though? AstonZagato said:
This is something that worries me. There is room opening up for a party which plays on anti-imigration, pro-working class / NHS. It could allow an extreme right wing party to form (they had a go with UKIP which got taken over by the more obviously right wing).
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