Homeowner arrested for stabbing burglar
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TheJimi said:
REALIST123 said:
Henners said:
Vincent's sister Rose told the hearing: "My brother was not a violent person. He was a father, he was a son, he was a brother.
He was also a f
king burglar.
Made his choices, paid the price.
In fact she’s a tt too.
ETA: also, why should his ability to breed made him a good person. What a tt.
This. Hard to understand how threatening a 78 year old with a screwdriver isn’t the act of a violent person. He was also a f
king burglar.Made his choices, paid the price.
In fact she’s a t
t too. ETA: also, why should his ability to breed made him a good person. What a t
t."Why didn't he just stand back like any normal person would?"
Jesus Christ
La Liga said:
Why do we need it (whatever people think 'it' is - see my previous post about it)? What's wrong with what we have?
I don’t think that there should be any doubt in the homeowner’s mind as to the level of force or lethality that they assemble. “This person broke into my house in the middle of the night and I killed him” should be the only defence needed. Sticking a knife in the guys back while he is picking up the telly should be self defence. It’s absurd that you have to say “please Mr Burglar, could you have a go at me so I can try and defend myself”.Sure, chasing the guy out of the house and killing him halfway up the street is still murder.
rxe said:
La Liga said:
Why do we need it (whatever people think 'it' is - see my previous post about it)? What's wrong with what we have?
I don’t think that there should be any doubt in the homeowner’s mind as to the level of force or lethality that they assemble. “This person broke into my house in the middle of the night and I killed him” should be the only defence needed. Sticking a knife in the guys back while he is picking up the telly should be self defence. It’s absurd that you have to say “please Mr Burglar, could you have a go at me so I can try and defend myself”.Sure, chasing the guy out of the house and killing him halfway up the street is still murder.
There's a balance between allowing people to do what the victim in question did here, and giving too much scope to go beyond what we want i.e. people killing people and claiming they were burgled, or as we've seen in the US, cases where people have innocently knocked on a door and been lawfully killed.
Our laws strike the balance pretty well.
La Liga said:
There's a balance between allowing people to do what the victim in question did here, and giving too much scope to go beyond what we want i.e. people killing people and claiming they were burgled, or as we've seen in the US, cases where people have innocently knocked on a door and been lawfully killed.
There'll be some people who think there's merit in that 
'We're just going around local houses to see if anyone has squirrel nests or other valuables in their loft.
Would you like us to check out yours?
It wont take very long and we might accidentally knock off a roof tile while we're at it and do you a very good price to fix it'
La Liga said:
fblm said:
La Liga said:
What's wrong with what we have?
Being arrested and released without charge could ruin your life?The biggest problem for me is, the homeowner was arrested very shortly after the fact (due process and all that), ignoring the point that the couple had been subjected to extreme stress during the incident, so she was left alone! Regardless of whether an PLO was left to reassure her, she'd have been in bits, as would he being taken away from his partner and home to spend at least one night in the cells!
I at least think the police could have been a little more sensitive towards them. Collect evidence, take pictures, bag and tag clothes and things, and tell them they'll be back in the morning to interview.
I know we all like to think we'd turn into Rambo if an intruder breaks in, but none of us know how we'll react in that situation. I'll assume they're in my home with lethal intent and react accordingly, but until it happens (hopefully never), no one knows.
I understand there's a process in place, but I think it should have far more weight on the homeowners side than the scum's!
Tangent example: That ex girl band Mylee Klass??? Some years ago had scummy types break into her back garden while she was at home with her youngster - having tapped on the window with her kitchen knife (think she was cooking at the time), they buggered off and she thought that was the end. The police turned up not long after and threatened her with arrest for brandishing the knife. Eh??? Unless I'm mistaken and remembering it wrong, she should've been applauded for making the scum think twice (though I reckon they just went for an easier target instead of impaling themselves on something really sharp)!
I at least think the police could have been a little more sensitive towards them. Collect evidence, take pictures, bag and tag clothes and things, and tell them they'll be back in the morning to interview.
I know we all like to think we'd turn into Rambo if an intruder breaks in, but none of us know how we'll react in that situation. I'll assume they're in my home with lethal intent and react accordingly, but until it happens (hopefully never), no one knows.
I understand there's a process in place, but I think it should have far more weight on the homeowners side than the scum's!
Tangent example: That ex girl band Mylee Klass??? Some years ago had scummy types break into her back garden while she was at home with her youngster - having tapped on the window with her kitchen knife (think she was cooking at the time), they buggered off and she thought that was the end. The police turned up not long after and threatened her with arrest for brandishing the knife. Eh??? Unless I'm mistaken and remembering it wrong, she should've been applauded for making the scum think twice (though I reckon they just went for an easier target instead of impaling themselves on something really sharp)!
fblm said:
La Liga said:
fblm said:
La Liga said:
What's wrong with what we have?
Being arrested and released without charge could ruin your life?The officers probably a get a feel for what likely happened quite quickly, but there's just such a risk if it turns out not to be the case. If it turns out to be something different chances are the person who used the lethal force will be lying, so even on face value it's hard to be sure.
Practically, even if the person isn't arrested, they for all intents and purposes restricted. They won't be 'allowed' into their home, won't be able to wash their hands, go to the toilet alone etc. It'd require the most perfect amount of cooperation at all times and that's not realistic. Practically, to get to the truth, which is what we want, the police having control of the situation is the best solution.
Bigends said:
The householder arrested and not charged so can apply to have his arrest record deleted together with deletion of DNA and fingerprint samples. This is done automatically in some cases.
US work visas, and global entry, specifically ask if you have been arrested, even if that record has now been expunged.I suppose if you get your arrest record deleted you could then lie to US homeland security about ever being arrested but then you really are a criminal! It's not just the US either, I just got citizenship elsewhere and had to pass all the same questions and record checks.
La Liga said:
here's no need to have someone do that to use force.
There's a balance between allowing people to do what the victim in question did here, and giving too much scope to go beyond what we want i.e. people killing people and claiming they were burgled, or as we've seen in the US, cases where people have innocently knocked on a door and been lawfully killed.
Our laws strike the balance pretty well.
we're not America though.There's a balance between allowing people to do what the victim in question did here, and giving too much scope to go beyond what we want i.e. people killing people and claiming they were burgled, or as we've seen in the US, cases where people have innocently knocked on a door and been lawfully killed.
Our laws strike the balance pretty well.
I find the zeal with which our authorities go after people in these situations most disturbing. I don't consider myself a "brave man", I do not look for or enjoy conflict or danger, yet at the same time can be quick to anger at injustice. I think that like many people I, if put in a situation of dealing with an intruder in a house containing my loved ones, I might well massively over-react due to the mechanism by which anger has to rise to over-power natural fear. To then be treated and tried as a criminal, by people with the luxury of being able to calmly assess what they consider commensurate force to be, is sick and perverted.
Jim1556 said:
Mylee Klass)!
She was in Hearsay around 20 years agoThey were the Popstar I think TV programme winners. Other members of the band were Kym Marsh who married a younger guy and went into Coronation Street. A blonde girl who did a sex tape thing in the shower and the actor who played Shrek in the movies.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/jan/10/myleene...
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 6th May 16:35
irocfan said:
Thing is though if he wanted to go to the US wouldn't this cause issues?
I’m no expert on US immigration law but surely it would just require a trip to the embassy? Arrested and then not charged would surely be enough for them. Must be hundreds of thousands of people who’ve been arrested that travel to the US each year.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff