Taking the knee
Discussion
633Squadron said:
If someone racially abused you at work - what would you do?
Report it. Pass it up the chain.
Same as you do in every other job for every other organisation.
But punitive measures ( which I do think currently is lip service in sport ) - needs to be implemented.
eg. Ensure in top tier sport that every individual in every seat in the stadium is a named individual.
If you are caught on camera - Jail sentence, Punitive fines, Whatever deterrent is identified to work against the protragonist.
Not all sports venues have just seats.Report it. Pass it up the chain.
Same as you do in every other job for every other organisation.
But punitive measures ( which I do think currently is lip service in sport ) - needs to be implemented.
eg. Ensure in top tier sport that every individual in every seat in the stadium is a named individual.
If you are caught on camera - Jail sentence, Punitive fines, Whatever deterrent is identified to work against the protragonist.
Im all for tougher punishment for racism at venues, and fine with sports and players protesting/raising awareness the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Edited by chrispmartha on Friday 11th June 18:44
chrispmartha said:
voyds9 said:
Name one country where there has never been racial abuse and we will see if they can move the races
It read as a general comment not just about F1 to meWe all know BLM is a political movement, then various celebs and posters come out to say no it's not , it's about black lives.
I believe football has had 'kick it out' for a good long time with plenty of support from the fans, not it is politicised with BLM there is a backlash.
voyds9 said:
chrispmartha said:
voyds9 said:
Name one country where there has never been racial abuse and we will see if they can move the races
It read as a general comment not just about F1 to meWe all know BLM is a political movement, then various celebs and posters come out to say no it's not , it's about black lives.
I believe football has had 'kick it out' for a good long time with plenty of support from the fans, not it is politicised with BLM there is a backlash.
chrispmartha said:
633Squadron said:
If someone racially abused you at work - what would you do?
Report it. Pass it up the chain.
Same as you do in every other job for every other organisation.
But punitive measures ( which I do think currently is lip service in sport ) - needs to be implemented.
eg. Ensure in top tier sport that every individual in every seat in the stadium is a named individual.
If you are caught on camera - Jail sentence, Punitive fines, Whatever deterrent is identified to work against the protragonist.
Not all sports venues have seats.Report it. Pass it up the chain.
Same as you do in every other job for every other organisation.
But punitive measures ( which I do think currently is lip service in sport ) - needs to be implemented.
eg. Ensure in top tier sport that every individual in every seat in the stadium is a named individual.
If you are caught on camera - Jail sentence, Punitive fines, Whatever deterrent is identified to work against the protragonist.
Im all for tougher punishment for racism at venues, and fine with sports and players protesting/raising awareness the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Take each event in it's own merits.
Do you really think that racist attitudes needs raising awareness?
The only reason the sportsmen/women participate - is that the authorities are piss poor soft on addressing it.
Make the clubs/ authorities etc truly accountable - and put in measures that really are a deterrent.
New born babies are not racist. They only learn that.
633Squadron said:
chrispmartha said:
633Squadron said:
If someone racially abused you at work - what would you do?
Report it. Pass it up the chain.
Same as you do in every other job for every other organisation.
But punitive measures ( which I do think currently is lip service in sport ) - needs to be implemented.
eg. Ensure in top tier sport that every individual in every seat in the stadium is a named individual.
If you are caught on camera - Jail sentence, Punitive fines, Whatever deterrent is identified to work against the protragonist.
Not all sports venues have seats.Report it. Pass it up the chain.
Same as you do in every other job for every other organisation.
But punitive measures ( which I do think currently is lip service in sport ) - needs to be implemented.
eg. Ensure in top tier sport that every individual in every seat in the stadium is a named individual.
If you are caught on camera - Jail sentence, Punitive fines, Whatever deterrent is identified to work against the protragonist.
Im all for tougher punishment for racism at venues, and fine with sports and players protesting/raising awareness the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Take each event in it's own merits.
Do you really think that racist attitudes needs raising awareness?
The only reason the sportsmen/women participate - is that the authorities are piss poor soft on addressing it.
Make the clubs/ authorities etc truly accountable - and put in measures that really are a deterrent.
New born babies are not racist. They only learn that.
chrispmartha said:
And if you get racially abused at that venue?
You choose to leave, or stay, or report it, or make assumptions on the internet?And as for Boris, that bastion of morality that he is, perhaps we should start by stopping all trade with Saudi, then China, Israel, Emirates they have appalling human rights records. Then perhaps I’ll listen to a bunch of overpaid billionaires making gestures for the sake of their social media accounts and to posters who couldn’t care less about the wider issues, as long as he can put a ‘racist’ spin on literally anything.
The way to stop it is to starve it of oxygen, not use it as a cheerleading exercise. I wonder, do you campaign for all social injustice or just ‘BLM’?
ddom said:
chrispmartha said:
Still peddling this line without backing it up I see.
Your nuanced statements are boring, you’ll just continue in the same way. As you’ve just proven by picking one part of a post, rather than answering anything. Quite easy to see now tbh You keep accusing me of calling people racist, im just asking you to back it up, which you can’t.
If you’re bored by my posts by all means, in fact, please ignore them.
chrispmartha said:
There weren’t any questions in your post were there?
You keep accusing me of calling people racist, im just asking you to back it up, which you can’t.
If you’re bored by my posts by all means, in fact, please ignore them.
It’s not just me calling it out. But honestly I think you know what you’re doing. So if it’s all the same I’ll just highlight when the irony meter trips, just in case it does reach you? You keep accusing me of calling people racist, im just asking you to back it up, which you can’t.
If you’re bored by my posts by all means, in fact, please ignore them.
ddom said:
chrispmartha said:
There weren’t any questions in your post were there?
You keep accusing me of calling people racist, im just asking you to back it up, which you can’t.
If you’re bored by my posts by all means, in fact, please ignore them.
It’s not just me calling it out. But honestly I think you know what you’re doing. So if it’s all the same I’ll just highlight when the irony meter trips, just in case it does reach you? You keep accusing me of calling people racist, im just asking you to back it up, which you can’t.
If you’re bored by my posts by all means, in fact, please ignore them.
If you think I’m calling people on here racist just post where I’ve done it.
Oh and if i did accuse you of being racist, would you expect me to back that claim up?
Edited by chrispmartha on Friday 11th June 19:46
JeffreyD said:
Our stance is that everyone, players, fans, teams, clubs, federations, governing bodies and governments must do more. Meaningful action is needed if meaningful change is to occur.
But it is also clear, given the events around the England national team, taking the knee in this tournament matters as a symbol of solidarity.
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633Squadron said:
If someone racially abused you at work - what would you do?
Report it. Pass it up the chain.
Same as you do in every other job for every other organisation.
But punitive measures ( which I do think currently is lip service in sport ) - needs to be implemented.
eg. Ensure in top tier sport that every individual in every seat in the stadium is a named individual.
If you are caught on camera - Jail sentence, Punitive fines, Whatever deterrent is identified to work against the protragonist.
Does it ever really happen anymore though? I go to the stands in Tottenham and I haven't heard any racist abuse in many a year now. In fact if it ever did happen I am sure the fans would police it themselves.Report it. Pass it up the chain.
Same as you do in every other job for every other organisation.
But punitive measures ( which I do think currently is lip service in sport ) - needs to be implemented.
eg. Ensure in top tier sport that every individual in every seat in the stadium is a named individual.
If you are caught on camera - Jail sentence, Punitive fines, Whatever deterrent is identified to work against the protragonist.
If you look at the demographic of your average gathering of Spurs supporters in the stands you would see a very diverse bunch of people. Not many of them would stay silent if some dhead decided to shout something horrible.
Online is a different matter. This will always happen, it's the modern equivalent of obscene graffiti and the main intent is to shock.
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