Lad killed by US wrong side driver, who's done a bunk...

[Fat Fairy]

KTF said:

Now trying to suggest that community service would be an acceptable punishment for the alleged crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptons...

If she had stayed to face the music, that was probably what she would have had to face, plus a driving ban.

Not now though.

FF

[saaby93]

KTF said:

Now trying to suggest that community service would be an acceptable punishment for the alleged crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptons...

You can see the mother is still in shock

[Alucidnation]

Starfighter said:

California treats driving in the wring side as a felony if it involves death or injury and the sentence is up to 3 years before any factors such as during drive etc are taken into account.
https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/...
That kind of blows a hole in the argument.

Let's hope this is brought up sharpish.

[vaud]

Alucidnation said:

Starfighter said:

California treats driving in the wring side as a felony if it involves death or injury and the sentence is up to 3 years before any factors such as during drive etc are taken into account.
https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/...
That kind of blows a hole in the argument.

Let's hope this is brought up sharpish.

State laws do vary.

[Alucidnation]

vaud said:

Alucidnation said:

Starfighter said:

California treats driving in the wring side as a felony if it involves death or injury and the sentence is up to 3 years before any factors such as during drive etc are taken into account.
https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/...
That kind of blows a hole in the argument.

Let's hope this is brought up sharpish.

State laws do vary.

Yes and i guess they only apply to wherever the incident took place, rather than were the accused lived?

[vaud]

Alucidnation said:

Yes and i guess they only apply to wherever the incident took place, rather than were the accused lived?

Indeed.

[CoolHands]

KTF said:

Ayahuasca said:

Traditionally, in the UK, the criminal does not get to decide on the sentence.

Yes, that seems to have passed her/her people by...

yeah but if they’re right then what’s the difference? If she does the equivalent there as she would here then surely that’s all square. The alternative is she does no penalty cos diplomatic immunity. So that seems like the best option.

Also I don’t want to be hard on the mother as it must be terrible, but she was saying on the radio that she had promised her son on the night he died she would bring the driver to justice. She can’t be dispassionate. I’m not saying that’s bad I’m just saying she will probably never be happy with any outcome.

[Gecko1978]

CoolHands said:

eah but if they’re right then what’s the difference? If she does the equivalent there as she would here then surely that’s all square. The alternative is she does no penalty cos diplomatic immunity. So that seems like the best option.

Also I don’t want to be hard on the mother as it must be terrible, but she was saying on the radio that she had promised her son on the night he died she would bring the driver to justice. She can’t be dispassionate. I’m not saying that’s bad I’m just saying she will probably never be happy with any outcome.

Still think the family should nust get a pay off and let it go. AS is never coming back to the UK ever.

[Digger]

KTF said:

Now trying to suggest that community service would be an acceptable punishment for the alleged crime.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptons...

I wonder what prompted this? Pressure from the administration?

[milkround]

CoolHands said:

eah but if they’re right then what’s the difference? If she does the equivalent there as she would here then surely that’s all square. The alternative is she does no penalty cos diplomatic immunity. So that seems like the best option.

Also I don’t want to be hard on the mother as it must be terrible, but she was saying on the radio that she had promised her son on the night he died she would bring the driver to justice. She can’t be dispassionate. I’m not saying that’s bad I’m just saying she will probably never be happy with any outcome.

I think you are missing a few things.

The parents of the young man are currently punishing this woman. And it's obviously paying off. If you google her name this comes up. So the parents of the kid's school are judging her, her neighbours are judging her. She has a cloud hanging over her. At dinner parties, she will be worrying people are whispering about her. It's a slow painful punishment. And she deserves it. Not for the careless mistake (which I've done abroad in an artic more than once - so I won't be casting the stones) - but for running off after killing a kid.

Then add her job. She is from what I've heard the real spy in the family. How do you think this is impacting her career? Do you think she can get a posting? Do you think her husband can? They are basically stewing stuck without the ability to progress. Again this is justly deserved.

Finally - she is clearly someone with a decent income. And the ability for her to holiday and travel in parts of the world has been removed at present. Forget a jolly with the family to France for xmas. America is massive and powerful - but they have just as many countries who would like to make things hard for them as those who wouldn't want to upset them at all. There is no way she is being able to travel like she could before. Which mentally must feel like a loss.

If all that makes me sound vindictive then good. She killed someone in an accident. And if she has faced the music none of it would happen. Instead, she ran off leaving the parents of a dead child without the feeling of any justice. If she had gone to court no one would know her name. She'd be getting on with her life. But she has refused to do that so stuff her.

[anonymous-user]

milkround said:

She killed someone in an accident. And if she has faced the music none of it would happen. Instead, she ran off leaving the parents of a dead child without the feeling of any justice.

I still can't fathom how someone with kids of their own could act like this.

[Stan the Bat]

milkround said:

CoolHands said:

eah but if they’re right then what’s the difference? If she does the equivalent there as she would here then surely that’s all square. The alternative is she does no penalty cos diplomatic immunity. So that seems like the best option.

Also I don’t want to be hard on the mother as it must be terrible, but she was saying on the radio that she had promised her son on the night he died she would bring the driver to justice. She can’t be dispassionate. I’m not saying that’s bad I’m just saying she will probably never be happy with any outcome.

I think you are missing a few things.

The parents of the young man are currently punishing this woman. And it's obviously paying off. If you google her name this comes up. So the parents of the kid's school are judging her, her neighbours are judging her. She has a cloud hanging over her. At dinner parties, she will be worrying people are whispering about her. It's a slow painful punishment. And she deserves it. Not for the careless mistake (which I've done abroad in an artic more than once - so I won't be casting the stones) - but for running off after killing a kid.

Then add her job. She is from what I've heard the real spy in the family. How do you think this is impacting her career? Do you think she can get a posting? Do you think her husband can? They are basically stewing stuck without the ability to progress. Again this is justly deserved.

Finally - she is clearly someone with a decent income. And the ability for her to holiday and travel in parts of the world has been removed at present. Forget a jolly with the family to France for xmas. America is massive and powerful - but they have just as many countries who would like to make things hard for them as those who wouldn't want to upset them at all. There is no way she is being able to travel like she could before. Which mentally must feel like a loss.

If all that makes me sound vindictive then good. She killed someone in an accident. And if she has faced the music none of it would happen. Instead, she ran off leaving the parents of a dead child without the feeling of any justice. If she had gone to court no one would know her name. She'd be getting on with her life. But she has refused to do that so stuff her.

Good post.

[Bigends]

Stan the Bat said:

milkround said:

CoolHands said:

eah but if they’re right then what’s the difference? If she does the equivalent there as she would here then surely that’s all square. The alternative is she does no penalty cos diplomatic immunity. So that seems like the best option.

Also I don’t want to be hard on the mother as it must be terrible, but she was saying on the radio that she had promised her son on the night he died she would bring the driver to justice. She can’t be dispassionate. I’m not saying that’s bad I’m just saying she will probably never be happy with any outcome.

I think you are missing a few things.

The parents of the young man are currently punishing this woman. And it's obviously paying off. If you google her name this comes up. So the parents of the kid's school are judging her, her neighbours are judging her. She has a cloud hanging over her. At dinner parties, she will be worrying people are whispering about her. It's a slow painful punishment. And she deserves it. Not for the careless mistake (which I've done abroad in an artic more than once - so I won't be casting the stones) - but for running off after killing a kid.

Then add her job. She is from what I've heard the real spy in the family. How do you think this is impacting her career? Do you think she can get a posting? Do you think her husband can? They are basically stewing stuck without the ability to progress. Again this is justly deserved.

Finally - she is clearly someone with a decent income. And the ability for her to holiday and travel in parts of the world has been removed at present. Forget a jolly with the family to France for xmas. America is massive and powerful - but they have just as many countries who would like to make things hard for them as those who wouldn't want to upset them at all. There is no way she is being able to travel like she could before. Which mentally must feel like a loss.

If all that makes me sound vindictive then good. She killed someone in an accident. And if she has faced the music none of it would happen. Instead, she ran off leaving the parents of a dead child without the feeling of any justice. If she had gone to court no one would know her name. She'd be getting on with her life. But she has refused to do that so stuff her.

Good post.

Agreed - if shed killed either of mine i'd want her head on a plate!

[Dr Jekyll]

ruprechtmonkeyboy said:

milkround said:

She killed someone in an accident. And if she has faced the music none of it would happen. Instead, she ran off leaving the parents of a dead child without the feeling of any justice.

I still can't fathom how someone with kids of their own could act like this.

I don't think it was her decision to run off. It was reported she flew back to the US on a military transport which implies she was 'posted' back.

[Tom Logan]

Dr Jekyll said:

I don't think it was her decision to run off. It was reported she flew back to the US on a military transport which implies she was 'posted' back.

So she ran from the law aided and abetted by the US govt.

Nice.

[Drawweight]

She was charged in her absence with causing death by dangerous driving.

If she returns (unlikely I know) would this stick or would it get bargained down to pleading guilty to a lesser charge?

With the blaze of publicity the case would command would the Crown dare to lessen the charge or would the possibility of a good lawyer getting a not guilty verdict persuade them to take the easiest option?

[anonymous-user]

ruprechtmonkeyboy said:

milkround said:

She killed someone in an accident. And if she has faced the music none of it would happen. Instead, she ran off leaving the parents of a dead child without the feeling of any justice.

I still can't fathom how someone with kids of their own could act like this.

Because her kids are more important to her than other peoples kids.

I suspect when she realised she had killed someone, she feared the worst, such as being sent to prison, or some other punishment occurring that would impact her children or her family life, and decided that she couldn't allow that to happen.

30 seconds on Google by her or anyone around her would have suggested that 'Causing death by careless driving' potentially carries a custodial sentence of up to 5 years.

Even the very small chance of being imprisoned was clearly too much to risk for her, especially because she has children of her own.

There is also the fact that the US government clearly didn't want her hanging around to answer questions in court and suchlike, so they likely had a hand in instructing her to return.

So take your pick really, she either feared that her own family life would be impacted by a trial and possible conviction, or she was simply told to return to the US by the US government, or a combination of both.

This is pure speculation on my part, and I could be way off the mark of course.

[saaby93]

Drawweight said:

She was charged in her absence with causing death by dangerous driving.

If she returns (unlikely I know) would this stick or would it get bargained down to pleading guilty to a lesser charge?

With the blaze of publicity the case would command would the Crown dare to lessen the charge or would the possibility of a good lawyer getting a not guilty verdict persuade them to take the easiest option?

Justice one way or another shouldnt depend on your lawyer.
The full ins and outs havent yet been presented

[Tom Logan]

She could always be exchanged for that useless prick Prince Andrew, a win-win.

[mick987]

Tom Logan said:

She could always be exchanged for that useless prick Prince Andrew, a win-win.

Fairs fair they already have Prince Harry there is only so much crap you can force a country to take.