Rishi Sunak - Prime Minister

[Randy Winkman]

Killboy said:

Mr Penguin said:

It is interesting how different acts of virtue signalling are interpreted even if they are functionally the same
Red poppy - fine

Wow, never did I think a red poppy would be "virtue signalling". I got a blue poppy on Tuesday for dementia awareness week while at the local memory day facility with the MIL, I guess I'm virtue signalling?

I'm all for supporting dementia charity as my late Dad had Alzheimers. And it's great that you are showing your support and helping to promote it. But what is wearing a poppy if it's not signalling something? That's the very point isn't it? As has been said, "virtue signalling" is just a term like "woke" that some people aim at others doing something they dont like.

Anyway, as a civil servant I'm now getting a rainbow lanyard from our LBGT network. Was never that bothered but somehow I've been motivated to do so in the last couple of days. And in my department we were all told yesterday we can use whatever lanyard we like. Happy days.

[768]

Randy Winkman said:

Anyway, as a civil servant I'm now getting a rainbow lanyard from our LBGT network. Was never that bothered but somehow I've been motivated to do so in the last couple of days. And in my department we were all told yesterday we can use whatever lanyard we like. Happy days.

That your workplace has an LGBT network betrays the reason lanyards were mentioned at all. Enjoy your signalling, don't forget to put your pronouns in your email signature.

[PlywoodPascal]

768 said:

That your workplace has an LGBT network betrays the reason lanyards were mentioned at all. Enjoy your signalling, don't forget to put your pronouns in your email signature.

Eh? Are you saying it’s wrong for a workplace to have employee networks?

[chrispmartha]

768 said:

Randy Winkman said:

Anyway, as a civil servant I'm now getting a rainbow lanyard from our LBGT network. Was never that bothered but somehow I've been motivated to do so in the last couple of days. And in my department we were all told yesterday we can use whatever lanyard we like. Happy days.

That your workplace has an LGBT network betrays the reason lanyards were mentioned at all. Enjoy your signalling, don't forget to put your pronouns in your email signature.

What’s wrong with pronouns in an email signature? They’re quite useful

[Rufus Stone]

chrispmartha said:

What’s wrong with pronouns in an email signature? They’re quite useful

I guess, if you are in a group discussion and may need to refer to George as her.

[Mr Penguin]

Killboy said:

Wow, never did I think a red poppy would be "virtue signalling". I got a blue poppy on Tuesday for dementia awareness week while at the local memory day facility with the MIL, I guess I'm virtue signalling?

It's not necessarily a bad thing and the money spent on red poppies goes to the people it represents.

Isn't the dementia charity flower a forget me not rather than a poppy?

[chrispmartha]

Rufus Stone said:

chrispmartha said:

What’s wrong with pronouns in an email signature? They’re quite useful

I guess, if you are in a group discussion and may need to refer to George as her.

And if you don’t know George? How do you know it’s not a women using the shortened version for georgina?

Or you are are called Tracey, Bev, Ashley, Alex, Ali, Jordan (you get my drift)

[Dagnir]

captain_cynic said:

blueg33 said:

No but I don't make assumptions, I prefer evidence rather than knee jerk bigotry and cries of "Woke"

At this point we all know "woke" means "you said something I didn't like, waaahhhhhh"

The irony being that it's the woke bunch that cry over speech and want to control it.

[Rufus Stone]

chrispmartha said:

And if you don’t know George? How do you know it’s not a women using the shortened version for georgina?

Or you are are called Tracey, Bev, Ashley, Alex, Ali, Jordan (you get my drift)

It's the Colin's you need to watch out for in my experience.

[Dagnir]

bhstewie said:

I do find it a little odd how showing support for gay people can be considered a political statement in the same way I'd find it odd if people showed support for black people.

There's obviously a section of society who get bothered by this sort of thing though hence more culture wars bullst from people like McVey.

Yes it is a bit odd isn't it but that's the rabid left for you...

[Dagnir]

p1stonhead said:

Judging someone who judges others as ‘virtue signaling or woke’ as a wker, is perfectly reasonable ESPECIALLY like McVey who is using OUR money to fight these stupid culture wars while the country burns

The state of this;

Edited by p1stonhead on Thursday 16th May 19:14

Huh?

[Randy Winkman]

Dagnir said:

captain_cynic said:

blueg33 said:

No but I don't make assumptions, I prefer evidence rather than knee jerk bigotry and cries of "Woke"

At this point we all know "woke" means "you said something I didn't like, waaahhhhhh"

The irony being that it's the woke bunch that cry over speech and want to control it.

Just the woke mob? What about the Daily/Mail Telegraph "the world's gone mad" types? They seem to be offended by everything including lanyards.

[Castrol for a knave]

Randy Winkman said:

Dagnir said:

captain_cynic said:

blueg33 said:

No but I don't make assumptions, I prefer evidence rather than knee jerk bigotry and cries of "Woke"

At this point we all know "woke" means "you said something I didn't like, waaahhhhhh"

The irony being that it's the woke bunch that cry over speech and want to control it.

Just the woke mob? What about the Daily/Mail Telegraph "the world's gone mad" types? They seem to be offended by everything including lanyards.

Irony is, I get lots of LGBTQ+ week banners, pronouns and such like on emails from private clients, you know, woke clients like CVC, Blackrock and such, than I do when working with Treasury or other HMG departments.

[smn159]

Dagnir said:

captain_cynic said:

blueg33 said:

No but I don't make assumptions, I prefer evidence rather than knee jerk bigotry and cries of "Woke"

At this point we all know "woke" means "you said something I didn't like, waaahhhhhh"

The irony being that it's the woke bunch that cry over speech and want to control it.

On the subject of controlling speech, the phrases used by people are fascinating and betray where they get their views reinforced I reckon

'Woke mob' = Mail or Telegraph
'Sneering Lefties' = Spectator
'Virtue signalling" = Facebook

And so forth

[turbobloke]

captain_cynic said:

blueg33 said:

No but I don't make assumptions, I prefer evidence rather than knee jerk bigotry and cries of "Woke"

At this point we all know "woke" means "you said something I didn't like, waaahhhhhh"

Which, ironically, is what happens when somebody says 'woke' waaaah we don't like woke. Perfect.

Then there's the irony of claims around 'controlling speech' while trying to control speech. Wonderful.

[Killboy]

jdw100 said:

I think it depends on the person.

We had a childhood (2 year old) in our family and also my dad had bowel cancer. We’ve all done things to support cancer charities….but my personal choice is not to wear a badge or t-shirt etc.

I have done my best to support gay colleagues over the years, because I have friends that grew up in the 70s and 80s and it was grim in many ways. There is still prejudice there, whatever we might like to think. Again, I wouldn’t wear a rainbow thmed tie or lanyard though.

A lot of this ‘signalling’ now, in my opinion, is from the sorts of people that use Facebook and Instagram all the time…look at me! Look at me! I’m supporting this thing! Look at me! Give me likes!

You support through your deeds, not by wearing a badge or a t-shirt.

Randy Winkman said:

I'm all for supporting dementia charity as my late Dad had Alzheimers. And it's great that you are showing your support and helping to promote it. But what is wearing a poppy if it's not signalling something? That's the very point isn't it? As has been said, "virtue signalling" is just a term like "woke" that some people aim at others doing something they dont like.

Anyway, as a civil servant I'm now getting a rainbow lanyard from our LBGT network. Was never that bothered but somehow I've been motivated to do so in the last couple of days. And in my department we were all told yesterday we can use whatever lanyard we like. Happy days.

Ah, and here I thought virtue signaling is doing something publicly for the image and not actually the cause.

So a PH smiley badge on a car is virtue signaling they're a petrol head, wearing a TOOL t-shirt or hoodie is virtue signaling they like their music, someone with a NO2ULEZ sticker is virtue signaling they are an absolute moron?

I think there is a bit of sematic satiation at play here. If this was supposed to be an insult or derogatory in any way its used so much by everyone for everything its lost its meaning. I guess I'm a proud virtue signaler then.

Mr Penguin said:

It's not necessarily a bad thing and the money spent on red poppies goes to the people it represents.

Isn't the dementia charity flower a forget me not rather than a poppy?

yeah, but they use the same press thats for sure.

[768]

PlywoodPascal said:

Eh? Are you saying it’s wrong for a workplace to have employee networks?

Wrong is too strong for where I am, I wouldn't ban them, but I think they waste business (tax, in the public sector) money.

[768]

chrispmartha said:

Rufus Stone said:

chrispmartha said:

What’s wrong with pronouns in an email signature? They’re quite useful

I guess, if you are in a group discussion and may need to refer to George as her.

And if you don’t know George? How do you know it’s not a women using the shortened version for georgina?

Or you are are called Tracey, Bev, Ashley, Alex, Ali, Jordan (you get my drift)

I've never had that issue. And I don't really mind if an individual needs to put their pronouns in their work email signature because people are getting it wrong.

But when a section of a business (especially a taxpayer funded civil service department) are messing around with these things, putting them in their Slack profiles and flags on their Teams backgrounds, forging themselves job titles around these, that they weren't employed to do, I think it does start to add up.

The thing that really did piss me off at one department was when they diverted expensive, cleared contractors working on national security projects, to modify a bespoke system to allow them to add their pronouns. It's vanity that comes at a cost. That's what I think of when the lanyard brigade are mentioned.

[Unreal]

Here we go. Tory tax cuts over the next six months and Starmer refusing to rule out raising taxes.

Probably too little too late but it's at least an attempt to make the choice starker.

[768]

This feels unusual. Has campaigning just started?