Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8

[Patrick Bateman]

Of course the Tories have to bring up another referendum, Sturgeon does her best to put it to one side as a general election approaches and the public need reminding she'll use every SNP vote as backing for another.

[NRS]

Strocky said:

amusingduck said:

Strocky said:

I wish the SNP would STFU about another Independence Ref

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39769564

Me too.

NS said:

The issue at the heart of this election is — whether you support independence or oppose independence — surely that decision should be taken by the Scottish people and the Scottish Parliament, and not by a Tory government at Westminster.”

Learn to interpret for yourself rather than let the Media do your thinking for you

It would have been useful if they'd had a vote on that issue recently. It could be used to show the will of the people if they had.

[technodup]

Strocky said:

Learn to interpret for yourself rather than let the Media do your thinking for you

And maybe you could learn not to regurgitate ste verbatim from WoS before you criticise anyone else for the same.

[Greedydog]

Strocky said:

Greedydog said:

Well if they did they could get on and govern properly and not ruin Scotland with their single issue bks. It's just a shame that the SNP rubbish is getting in the way of proper political discussion in Scotland.

Could you list some policies you think they should be implementing?

Why? You were the one insinuating that independence was all the Conservatives talk about, I merely pointed out that it was in reaction to the SNP agenda which revolves around populist policies aimed at furthering independence. Even hardcore SNP supporters admit that if independence were to be achieved the party would split into different political factions.

[Strocky]

technodup said:

Strocky said:

Learn to interpret for yourself rather than let the Media do your thinking for you

And maybe you could learn not to regurgitate ste verbatim from WoS before you criticise anyone else for the same.

You're quite right, Quoting a direct verbatim quote is regurgitation

[FN2TypeR]

Considering the standard of the usual WoS output I'd say that regurgitation is an apt description tbh

[technodup]

Strocky said:

You're quite right, Quoting a direct verbatim quote is regurgitation

It must kill you that the entire news media choose to represent it in whichever way they see fit.

[bigkeeko]

Spoke to two (unrelated) people this week that are voting Conservative for the first time in their lives.

Makes you wonder whether the SNP are sending out the right signals to the public.

[r11co]

Patrick Bateman said:

Of course the Tories have to bring up another referendum, Sturgeon does her best to put it to one side as a general election approaches and the public need reminding she'll use every SNP vote as backing for another.

This. Twice before Sturgeon has played down the significance of independence immediately before a vote (EU referendum and 2015 GE) and then immediately afterwards used the result of that vote as a driver for independence and a proxy for public support. Disingenuous and needs to be called out.

[amusingduck]

Strocky said:

amusingduck said:

Strocky said:

I wish the SNP would STFU about another Independence Ref

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39769564

Me too.

NS said:

The issue at the heart of this election is — whether you support independence or oppose independence — surely that decision should be taken by the Scottish people and the Scottish Parliament, and not by a Tory government at Westminster.”

Learn to interpret for yourself rather than let the Media do your thinking for you

Ohhhh, I understand now.

She doesn't want to hold a referendum. She just wants the ability to hold one, and then not do anything about it.

Silly me. I don't know how I missed that, given her past performance WRT NHS, Education, Child Benefit cap etc.

[R1gtr]

Saw this little gem on FB this morning, it had plenty of 'likes'

[Strocky]

technodup said:

Strocky said:

You're quite right, Quoting a direct verbatim quote is regurgitation

It must kill you that the entire news media choose to represent it in whichever way they see fit.

It's almost as if there was one template per story to make it easier for the hacks to post copy

Quite sad that a large portion of the country are happy to turn a blind eye to outright propaganda by newspapers with owners with vested interests because they happen to have the same dog in that particular fight

I include the treatment Corbyn gets as well (even though he doesn't help himself)

Edited by Strocky on Wednesday 3rd May 09:13

[Strocky]

amusingduck said:

Ohhhh, I understand now.

She doesn't want to hold a referendum. She just wants the ability to hold one, and then not do anything about it.

Silly me. I don't know how I missed that, given her past performance WRT NHS, Education, Child Benefit cap etc.

Well I'm glad you've learned something for yourself

[Strocky]

r11co said:

Patrick Bateman said:

Of course the Tories have to bring up another referendum, Sturgeon does her best to put it to one side as a general election approaches and the public need reminding she'll use every SNP vote as backing for another.

This. Twice before Sturgeon has played down the significance of independence immediately before a vote (EU referendum and 2015 GE) and then immediately afterwards used the result of that vote as a driver for independence and a proxy for public support. Disingenuous and needs to be called out.

The schizophrenic argument rears it's head again

Unionists -: Stop talking about another Indy Ref
SNP -: Councillor elections are about local issues, lets campaign on that
Unionists -: How many times can we print No to Indy Ref 2 on a A5 pamphlet??

You'd need to be particularly thick to not think through that voting SNP in any election is by proxy your endorsement for support for independence

Although tbf when you see the logic of someone like Alex Cole Hamilton who'd rather campaign to get back into the EU via the UK once they leave rather than through an independent Scotland, maybe I'm giving some too much credit

Edited by Strocky on Wednesday 3rd May 11:04

[Patrick Bateman]

There are people who have voted SNP in recent years that don't want independence, not sure they'll continue doing so.

Personally I think you'd be daft to but it happens.

[Alpacaman]

Strocky said:

You'd need to be particularly thick to vote SNP in any election

FTFY

[Sylvaforever]

[r11co]

amusingduck said:

Ohhhh, I understand now.

She doesn't want to hold a referendum. She just wants the ability to hold one, and then not do anything about it.

Silly me. I don't know how I missed that, given her past performance WRT NHS, Education, Child Benefit cap etc.

You forgot council tax....

[r11co]

Strocky said:

The schizophrenic argument rears it's head again.

........

Strocky said:

You'd need to be particularly thick to not think through that voting SNP in any election is by proxy your endorsement for support for independence.

Which is why Sturgeon said in 2015 before the General Election and again up until the beginning of this week that a vote for the SNP is not a vote for independence. Ergo (by your own argument) Sturgeon is having to rely on the votes of thick people she has intentionally misled for her support.

Going back to the point - it is perfectly reasonable for SNP opposition to continually talk about the referendum issue because according to Sturgeon it is 'inevitable', 'a democratic requirement' and permanently 'on the table'. Until these terms are rescinded it forms the basis of everything the SNP does whether they mention it repeatedly or not. Ignoring it when it suits them doesn't make it go away.

The "schizophrenic argument" (as you put it) is nationalists expecting SNP opposition to behave in a way that does not call out the SNP and their motives. A bit like when the Stirlingshire SNP local office wanted the local press to not call out the Scottish Government's consultation on fracking because it made them look bad. No st!

Edited by r11co on Wednesday 3rd May 11:52

[Sylvaforever]

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