Would you install and use an NHS Covid tracking app?

[poo at Paul's]

pip t said:

I hate to point this out, but the vast majority of people do stand a good chance of shaking it off with no drama already. In fact quite a number never even know they've had it....

What is your definition of "vast majority" and where is your proof? The majority of the UK population is in an age and medical demographic that in no way can guarantee this will just be a sniffle, ie they are in an age group where there is a decent chance they will fell pretty st if they catch this. It seems the average period of illness is 3 weeks, tell me when did you last need 3 weeks off work?
If you want people to go travel to work, start flying and going on holidays, go out for meals etc etc, many just wont do that if there is s chance they will be ill for 2 or 3 weeks later on.

There are near 9 million registered disabled people in Britain! There are 22million with pre existing medical conditions! So that's a third of the population that may well not shake it off with "no drama"
And they don't all live on their own. They work, they look after kids, family members, etc....., so who looks after little Johnny if mum and dad are bed ridden for 2 weeks?

That is why I believe effective, cheap and easy to obtain treatments, wherever we chose to live, work or travel to are the things that will bring more confidence for everyone to go about their daily business in the way we used to. Only then will the economy start to get back to where it was last year and before .

[ThumperMc]

thetapeworm said:

AstonZagato said:

glazbagun said:

baptistsan said:

BlackLabel said:

“ Contact-tracing data harvested from pubs and restaurants being sold on”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/contact-tracing...

Read that too. I should be surprised by this, sadly not.
But, you know, it's to save lives

If this doesn't break data protection law, the law should be changed and some high profile examples made. In any case, the paper should be naming names.

Just to be clear "The concerns do not relate to the official NHS Covid contact-tracing app."

Sadly you can be as clear you as like but most people these days just see a headline designed to outrage them and immediately head to Facebook to hammer their fists on a keyboard until they get a like and a share.

There's no personal data in the official app to be sold but people won't care about this little bit of insignificant info.

People just don't read the articles

(And I'm just as bad, I didn't read this one as I don't have an account)

It’s just natural bias at play - you’re slanted toward x ‘side’, grab the headline and your mind makes it fit that view - you’re less critical than if it challenged your view.

For other examples see the current ‘presidential’ race in the US

[smashing]

poo at Paul's said:

pip t said:

I hate to point this out, but the vast majority of people do stand a good chance of shaking it off with no drama already. In fact quite a number never even know they've had it....

What is your definition of "vast majority" and where is your proof? The majority of the UK population is in an age and medical demographic that in no way can guarantee this will just be a sniffle, ie they are in an age group where there is a decent chance they will fell pretty st if they catch this. It seems the average period of illness is 3 weeks, tell me when did you last need 3 weeks off work?
If you want people to go travel to work, start flying and going on holidays, go out for meals etc etc, many just wont do that if there is s chance they will be ill for 2 or 3 weeks later on.

There are near 9 million registered disabled people in Britain! There are 22million with pre existing medical conditions! So that's a third of the population that may well not shake it off with "no drama"
And they don't all live on their own. They work, they look after kids, family members, etc....., so who looks after little Johnny if mum and dad are bed ridden for 2 weeks?

That is why I believe effective, cheap and easy to obtain treatments, wherever we chose to live, work or travel to are the things that will bring more confidence for everyone to go about their daily business in the way we used to. Only then will the economy start to get back to where it was last year and before .

Didn't the CMO of the UK outline this at the begining or did dream that he said that for the vast majority of people they will have mild symptoms, a small portion of the society will require treatment and unfortunately a smaller portion of those requiring treatment will die.

[Gareth1974]

poo at Paul's said:

There are near 9 million registered disabled people in Britain!

There is no register of disabled people in Britain.

[Funny username]

poo at Paul's said:

What is your definition of "vast majority" and where is your proof? The majority of the UK population is in an age and medical demographic that in no way can guarantee this will just be a sniffle, ie they are in an age group where there is a decent chance they will fell pretty st if they catch this. It seems the average period of illness is 3 weeks, tell me when did you last need 3 weeks off work?
If you want people to go travel to work, start flying and going on holidays, go out for meals etc etc, many just wont do that if there is s chance they will be ill for 2 or 3 weeks later on.

There are near 9 million registered disabled people in Britain! There are 22million with pre existing medical conditions! So that's a third of the population that may well not shake it off with "no drama"
And they don't all live on their own. They work, they look after kids, family members, etc....., so who looks after little Johnny if mum and dad are bed ridden for 2 weeks?

That is why I believe effective, cheap and easy to obtain treatments, wherever we chose to live, work or travel to are the things that will bring more confidence for everyone to go about their daily business in the way we used to. Only then will the economy start to get back to where it was last year and before .

You said your sister in law tested positive.

How is she?

[John Locke]

Anyone who did install it might want to think again now that their personal data is being handed to Old Bill:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8851365/B...

[grumbledoak]

John Locke said:

Anyone who did install it might want to think again now that their personal data is being handed to Old Bill:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8851365/B...

It isn't the data from the Google+Apple API app that is being handed over - that doesn't give them much.

I am quite sure that it would have instantly been the case for the original NHSX app though.

[HappyClappy]

Did anyone actually expect anything different from a mass data collecting and tracking app run by Baroness Dido frivolous with your data Harding?

I would have felt safer if Alexander Nix of Cambridge Analytica was running the show.

[Mr E]

grumbledoak said:

It isn't the data from the Google+Apple API app that is being handed over - that doesn't give them much.

Yup, that’s just talking about names/addresses identified by test and trace following a positive test result. Which suggests that people are being identified as at risk, being told to isolate and failing to do so. Which isn’t a complete surprise - one assumes the modelling accounts for a proportion of people behaving like this.

Again, there is no personal data produced by the app that could be shared with anyone to identify you. That’s the entire point of the design.

grumbledoak said:

I am quite sure that it would have instantly been the case for the original NHSX app though.

No doubt at all. Which is why I would not have gone near the first design without being obliged to.

[bitchstewie]

Quite and I don't think the sort of misinformation above helps.

If I'm being charitable it's a genuine mistake as people do seem confused by the app and what it can and can't do.

[Road2Ruin]

John Locke said:

Anyone who did install it might want to think again now that their personal data is being handed to Old Bill:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8851365/B...

You do know that article has nothing to do with the app....don't you?!

[survivalist]

I know it’s track and trace giving data to the police, but it does beg the question as to what the app actually DOES do? The end result seems pretty useless.

Unsurprisingly for a government IT project it just seems to be a massive waste of time and money.

[bad company]

I just deleted the app from my phone.

[i4got]

survivalist said:

I know it’s track and trace giving data to the police, but it does beg the question as to what the app actually DOES do? The end result seems pretty useless.

Unsurprisingly for a government IT project it just seems to be a massive waste of time and money.

Yet remember the attacks when we didn't have one? It's the same everywhere - even German's are questioning the point of the app.

People are tools.

"Why don't we have an app like Korea & Germany - why are we so st". (introduce the app) "What the point in this app - we're so st."

"Our testing is crap that why we have so many dead" (increase testing from 10k per day to 300k per day). "Why are we so st - it take 2 days to get a result"

Lets face it people will alway have stuff to moan about.

[ChocolateFrog]

I love this so much.

You couldn't make it up.

[pquinn]

i4got said:

Yet remember the attacks when we didn't have one? It's the same everywhere - even German's are questioning the point of the app.

People are tools.

"Why don't we have an app like Korea & Germany - why are we so st". (introduce the app) "What the point in this app - we're so st."

"Our testing is crap that why we have so many dead" (increase testing from 10k per day to 300k per day). "Why are we so st - it take 2 days to get a result"

Lets face it people will alway have stuff to moan about.

What was the percentage take up by Germans? It seemed to point that it was useless everywhere and no one cared enough to use it.

South Korea just used other data as a proxy, no worries about data protection.

[pip t]

bad company said:

I just deleted the app from my phone.

Your choice of course, but deleting the app from your phone will have no effect on the the data NHS T&T may pass to the police in the right circumstances. It's entirely unrelated.

Sadly though this is going to be an effect of this news. The vast majority of the population conflate the manual contact tracing system with the app, and will therefore be discouraged from using it.

It's part of this increasing obsession from the government of using legislation rather than persuading people to do the right thing - the stick rather than the carrot.

[bad company]

pip t said:

bad company said:

I just deleted the app from my phone.

Your choice of course, but deleting the app from your phone will have no effect on the the data NHS T&T may pass to the police in the right circumstances. It's entirely unrelated.

Sadly though this is going to be an effect of this news. The vast majority of the population conflate the manual contact tracing system with the app, and will therefore be discouraged from using it.

It's part of this increasing obsession from the government of using legislation rather than persuading people to do the right thing - the stick rather than the carrot.

How will NHS Test & Trace have data on me to pass to police if I’ve deleted the app?

[grumbledoak]

pip t said:

Sadly though this is going to be an effect of this news. The vast majority of the population conflate the manual contact tracing system with the app, and will therefore be discouraged from using it.

Good.

Yes I understand how it works. But I understand "temptation", "scope creep", and "untrustworthy wkers" too.

[Gecko1978]

bad company said:

pip t said:

bad company said:

I just deleted the app from my phone.

Your choice of course, but deleting the app from your phone will have no effect on the the data NHS T&T may pass to the police in the right circumstances. It's entirely unrelated.

Sadly though this is going to be an effect of this news. The vast majority of the population conflate the manual contact tracing system with the app, and will therefore be discouraged from using it.

It's part of this increasing obsession from the government of using legislation rather than persuading people to do the right thing - the stick rather than the carrot.

How will NHS Test & Trace have data on me to pass to police if I’ve deleted the app?

They already have your details. They have a pattern of your movenents. If person A is inffected and they wrre in the past near you (work mate) then i assume track and trace would make same assumption and you will get a text to self isolate.