Can Sir Keir Starmer revive the Labour Party?
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AstonZagato said:
I rather despair. Neither of the two major parties looks like a competent party of government. And the others are worse - Liberals or Reform, Green or SNP. The Monster Raving Loony Party are looking to be a solid contender for my vote.
That's pretty much where I am. When it comes to the next GE it will be similar to choosing which heavy blunt object you'd like thudded into your testes..BigMon said:
AstonZagato said:
I rather despair. Neither of the two major parties looks like a competent party of government. And the others are worse - Liberals or Reform, Green or SNP. The Monster Raving Loony Party are looking to be a solid contender for my vote.
That's pretty much where I am. When it comes to the next GE it will be similar to choosing which heavy blunt object you'd like thudded into your testes..
kers were worth my cross".confused_buyer said:
It isn't exactly difficult to win in the polls at the moment although Labour need to be cautious that not many Tories have moved to Labour - most have moved to Don't Know or Won't Vite.
Starmer's issue is that he is not prepping his party or public for the huge challenges the next government of any flavour will face. Talk to any Labour activists or Councillors who are mostly quite young and they are in cloud cuckoo land and genuinely believe it will be like flicking a switch. As things stand they will be immediately and very disillusioned/angry within 6 months.
Labour are managing to attract voters who think public spending will be massively increased and also others who think they'll cut taxes compared with the Tories. In truth neither is possible.
It's great being all things to all people but you need a proper thought out programme to govern and vague promises might get you into power but if you haven't been honest with your party and voters you'll end up having such an awful time you'll wish you'd never won.
Good post. Especially my bold.Starmer's issue is that he is not prepping his party or public for the huge challenges the next government of any flavour will face. Talk to any Labour activists or Councillors who are mostly quite young and they are in cloud cuckoo land and genuinely believe it will be like flicking a switch. As things stand they will be immediately and very disillusioned/angry within 6 months.
Labour are managing to attract voters who think public spending will be massively increased and also others who think they'll cut taxes compared with the Tories. In truth neither is possible.
It's great being all things to all people but you need a proper thought out programme to govern and vague promises might get you into power but if you haven't been honest with your party and voters you'll end up having such an awful time you'll wish you'd never won.
Re no gas by 2030, we are turning on the coal tonight. Zero emissions for power generation is pie in the sky anytime before sufficient nuclear can be built and got online. (Take a bow Nick Clegg, with your "no point building nuclear, it won't come online until 2022")
Re the above, will we get honesty about this before or after 2024 from Labour?
chemistry said:
86 said:
Seems Starmer no different to Johnson. Won’t answer simple questions as he has something to hide
ExactlyGeneral Price said:
JagLover said:
EmBe said:
Talksteer said:
The other thing that we haven’t seen from SKS is that he has the potential to project a relatively “cool” public persona. He’s mates with George Clooney (long connection with his wife) has played music with Fat Boy Slim and is conventionally good looking. Expect to see SKS playing music with famous musicians and sports with various sports people, going door knocking with Clooney or other famous actors or media personalities.
Wait, what? You're serious......
I wish to point out that whilst I can endorsesome of the points in the post by Talksteer I have to take issue with these words
"conventionally good looking"
It's actually quite shocking to read that
Who are we or anyonbe to say who is conventionally good looking
Why are we looking at looks when we should be beyond looking at looks and getting to the heart of the matter
I like to think that Sir Keir would be able to get down with the youth and engage with them. I am sure he is more than able to knock one out and get into a rythm.
But its not the ability to play music with the youth that's important it's what he can offer for their future. Jeremy offered free broadband
But let's not hear anymore about conentional good looks
"conventionally good looking"
It's actually quite shocking to read that
Who are we or anyonbe to say who is conventionally good looking
Why are we looking at looks when we should be beyond looking at looks and getting to the heart of the matter
I like to think that Sir Keir would be able to get down with the youth and engage with them. I am sure he is more than able to knock one out and get into a rythm.
But its not the ability to play music with the youth that's important it's what he can offer for their future. Jeremy offered free broadband
But let's not hear anymore about conentional good looks
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:SpeckledJim said:
Same pattern of behaviour as beer-gate.
Possibly not the best example given the Police said there was no case to answer.He’s supposed to be the adult in the room. If my kids behaved like this it would be an early trip up the wooden hills.
SpeckledJim said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:SpeckledJim said:
Same pattern of behaviour as beer-gate.
Possibly not the best example given the Police said there was no case to answer.He’s supposed to be the adult in the room. If my kids behaved like this it would be an early trip up the wooden hills.
You only have to look at her to see she looks a bit shifty
Sir Keir however isn't afraid to show how long his list of candidates for the job was
His conventional good looks and dress sense are sure to appeal to younger voters everywhere
Sir Keir however isn't afraid to show how long his list of candidates for the job was
His conventional good looks and dress sense are sure to appeal to younger voters everywhere
Edited by anonymoususer on Wednesday 8th March 07:39
EmBe said:
Talksteer said:
The other thing that we haven’t seen from SKS is that he has the potential to project a relatively “cool” public persona. He’s mates with George Clooney (long connection with his wife) has played music with Fat Boy Slim and is conventionally good looking. Expect to see SKS playing music with famous musicians and sports with various sports people, going door knocking with Clooney or other famous actors or media personalities.
Wait, what? You're serious......
Jonmx said:
All of that goes down incredibly well with the working class folks. Makes him seem very relatable, along with being Londoncentric, being worth north of £10 Mil and a knight of the realm. I can just picture him popping to the Thomas Burke in Leigh for a pint and nattering to the locals. The fact that folks see these points as being a positive for the leader of the Labour party is concerning. We just need him to get on stage and pronounce 'We're alright' before leading the party to a surprise defeat, which despite all evidence to the contrary, I think is stil a real possibility.
The last Labour leader of the party was John Smith,I doubt you would have seen him accept a knighthood.The majority of Labour voters just vote Labour,they don't care about policies or who is in charge.
General Price said:
The last Labour leader of the party was John Smith,I doubt you would have seen him accept a knighthood.
The majority of Labour voters just vote Labour,they don't care about policies or who is in charge.
You are probably right there. Would have been interesting to see what his Labour government would have done rather than that Tw*t Blair. The majority of Labour voters just vote Labour,they don't care about policies or who is in charge.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Random out of context clip clickbait. 2/10 must try harder.For example - the comments about working with the Sun newspaper. SKS mentions I won't work with them "on this campaign". The second talks about a column in the Sun as a contradiction.
But when were they made? What was the specific campaign SKS was talking about?
It was his campaign for leadership of the party. AFAIK he didn't do interviews for them during that campaign.
He did then speak to them after, once in position as labour leader. Of course he did - he needs to appeal to the masses and turn labour into a party which has a realistic chance of winning.
I'd take a punt that all of the other clips are similarly taken out of context.
If you really want to show them as the same show the lockdown parties, govt contracts for mates and / mistresses, general contempt for the public....
Etc
Tory voter here (or was), btw.
Edited by Previous on Friday 10th March 09:39
Slightly bothered me the other day when Starmer was so disgusted at the idea of Brits being poorer than Poles. Didn't hear the usual I'm not saying he's racist he's just using racist language comments though.
https://youtu.be/X0HaVqz88nQ
Anyway, I thought this article noting that he would've opposed all the policies that have seen Poland succeed was interesting.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-does-starm...
https://youtu.be/X0HaVqz88nQ
Anyway, I thought this article noting that he would've opposed all the policies that have seen Poland succeed was interesting.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-does-starm...
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